Breakdown In Civil Order

[Politesse]

Hell, even the common perception of crimes is very class-biased. Talk to any random American, of any class, and they're likely to draw a distinction between "white collar crimes" and "serious crimes"; if a very wealthy person is doing it, it is somehow perceived as less serious or real a crime regardless of the scale of its consequences. If I go out and shoot a man on the street tomorrow, that's considered a violent crime and I should be locked up forever with no hope of release. But if I make a management decision that gets people killed on the job, it's likely that only the victims' families and maybe immediate coworkers will honestly consider me a violent criminal and my sentence is likely to be a financial penalty rather than a jail sentence, even if my decisions got a lot more people hurt. I realize that this is not exclusively an American phenomenon. But I do get tired of it sometimes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't see any evidence that you, well, have a point, though.

My point is that violent criminals are released early or no bail and go on to commit devastating acts of violence on the public. It’s happening quite frequently here in Los Angeles but also other major cities.

Devastating acts of violence. Devastating? Hyperbole much?

How often are violent criminals actually released early and commit serious crimes? Probably not too often. Yes, it likely happens, but to the point that we are going to suggest it is endemic in our society? No, it isn't. The truth is, outside of Seattle, crime has recently risen and dropped... depending on the crimes one looks at, including California. Some violent crimes are up, some aren't. We see this broadly across the country (red and blue). But some want to just point at certain crimes and yell the sky is falling because of the Dems (...and Gov. Newsom) all the while rural murder rate is up 25%.

 

[Politesse]

I don't see any evidence that you, well, have a point, though.

My point is that violent criminals are released early or no bail and go on to commit devastating acts of violence on the public. It’s happening quite frequently here in Los Angeles but also other major cities.

Devastating acts of violence. Devastating? Hyperbole much?

How often are violent criminals actually released early and commit serious crimes? Probably not too often. Yes, it likely happens, but to the point that we are going to suggest it is endemic in our society? No, it isn't. The truth is, outside of Seattle, crime has recently risen and dropped... depending on the crimes one looks at, including California. Some violent crimes are up, some aren't. We see this broadly across the country (red and blue). But some want to just point at certain crimes and yell the sky is falling because of the Dems (...and Gov. Newsom) all the while rural murder rate is up 25%.

Well, he is also governor of the rural parts of the state, which is to say most of it. Mass deaths from the pandemic and out of control gun crime (in our supposedly left-leaning state) are just as much things that happened on Newsom's watch as anything else. Of course, the governor does not have as much power to prevent crime and so forth as tswizzle imagines, either. He's an admin, not a king.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

We can also make more room for such people by treating minor crimes like traffic violations.

The problem with that is that any act punishable only by a fine, is only illegal for poor people.

The problem is that it often does not work. So we read of the jerks who get arrested and have been arrested 50 times before.

 

[lostone]

The roughest area I have ever lived in was the small in rural NC where I grew up back in the 1950s. I live in suburban Maryland near DC now. The serious criminals work downtown in DC making laws to benefit corporations and billionaires.

 

[Jarhyn]

The roughest area I have ever lived in was the small in rural NC where I grew up back in the 1950s. I live in suburban Maryland near DC now. The serious criminals work downtown in DC making laws to benefit corporations and billionaires.

It's interesting how people who consider small towns quiet perhaps have never considered what it's like being queer in a small town.

In the city I occasionally worry some vaguely unhinged weirdo may think whatever money I'm not actually carrying is worth attacking a person with a really big, solid stick. Even so, that has not happened in all the time I have lived here. A couple times, biking past a really rough part of town, I've been harassed on my bike, but offering to show them a bike lock up close has also always stopped that.

Contrast that to the country, where it wouldn't be anonymous poor people being a little problematic but well known local troublemakers that the law in the area will do nothing about, who will turn up time and again, and who have guns and whose church quite possibly preaches that people like me should be put to the torch...

 

[Politesse]

It's interesting how people who consider small towns quiet perhaps have never considered what it's like being queer in a small town.

Eh, it sure acquaints you early to the f*cked up sh*t goes on behind closed doors of good churchgoing folk in the wicked little towns of America.



If you know, you know...

 

[TSwizzle]

Another sickening attack in San Francisco, an elderly woman viciously beaten by a group of youths, one of them only 11;

Police have confirmed an 11-year-old was involved in the brutal beating and robbery of a 70-year-old woman in San Francisco earlier this month. Horrific video footage shows a 70-year-old Asian woman being attacked by a group of juveniles in broad daylight. A security camera from the complex located at the 100 block of San Francisco Street shows the four youths approaching the elderly woman and dragging her to the floor before one wearing a yellow and black baseball cap stomps her in the face.
According to the latest available FBI Unified Crime Report, San Francisco had the highest overall crime rate of the 20 largest cities in the United States, recording 6,917 crimes per 100,000 population in 2019.
Crime remains stubbornly high in the Golden Gate City, with overall crime up 7.4 percent as of August 14 compared to the same time last year. Assaults are up nearly 12 percent, and robberies are up 2.4 percent. Thefts have spiked by 17.5 percent compared to last year, and rapes have also increased by 9.5 percent.

Daily Mail

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OMFG! An attack happened in San Francisco weeks ago?!

Also, it is Mad Max out in California! Yes, this doesn't include 2021, but it really does speak to the Bullshit that is The Daily Fail. I'm not certain who TSwizzle thinks he is fooling, beside himself.

 

[Oleg]

OMFG! An attack happened in San Francisco weeks ago?!

Also, it is Mad Max out in California! Yes, this doesn't include 2021, but it really does speak to the Bullshit that is The Daily Fail. I'm not certain who TSwizzle thinks he is fooling, beside himself.

Didn’t SF oust it’s progressive DA? Weird. Why they do that?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OMFG! An attack happened in San Francisco weeks ago?!

Also, it is Mad Max out in California! Yes, this doesn't include 2021, but it really does speak to the Bullshit that is The Daily Fail. I'm not certain who TSwizzle thinks he is fooling, beside himself.

Didn’t SF oust it’s progressive DA? Weird. Why they do that?

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

 

[Oleg]

OMFG! An attack happened in San Francisco weeks ago?!

Also, it is Mad Max out in California! Yes, this doesn't include 2021, but it really does speak to the Bullshit that is The Daily Fail. I'm not certain who TSwizzle thinks he is fooling, beside himself.

Didn’t SF oust it’s progressive DA? Weird. Why they do that?

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

Yes. Foolish people believing their lying eyes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

Yes. Foolish people believing their lying eyes.

Why did you bother to respond to my post without reading it?

 

[Politesse]

Another sickening attack in San Francisco, an elderly woman viciously beaten by a group of youths, one of them only 11;

Police have confirmed an 11-year-old was involved in the brutal beating and robbery of a 70-year-old woman in San Francisco earlier this month. Horrific video footage shows a 70-year-old Asian woman being attacked by a group of juveniles in broad daylight. A security camera from the complex located at the 100 block of San Francisco Street shows the four youths approaching the elderly woman and dragging her to the floor before one wearing a yellow and black baseball cap stomps her in the face.
According to the latest available FBI Unified Crime Report, San Francisco had the highest overall crime rate of the 20 largest cities in the United States, recording 6,917 crimes per 100,000 population in 2019.
Crime remains stubbornly high in the Golden Gate City, with overall crime up 7.4 percent as of August 14 compared to the same time last year. Assaults are up nearly 12 percent, and robberies are up 2.4 percent. Thefts have spiked by 17.5 percent compared to last year, and rapes have also increased by 9.5 percent.

Daily Mail

I assume the 11 year old had an extensive arrest record but had been released early without bail at the behest of the governor?

 

[Oleg]

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

Yes. Foolish people believing their lying eyes.

Why did you bother to respond to my post without reading it?

Wut? It’s not just that crime, like homicide, burglary, and car thefts were up; it’s that the DA very publicly decided not to prosecute. Saying that the public was bamboozled by all those right-wingers in SF media is, wait, what?

 

[Oleg]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

Yes. Foolish people believing their lying eyes.

Why did you bother to respond to my post without reading it?

Wut? It’s not just that crime, like homicide, burglary, and car thefts were up; it’s that the DA very publicly decided not to prosecute. Saying that the public was bamboozled by all those right-wingers in SF media is, wait, what?

Please show me the stats showing the rampant rise in crime in San Francisco relative to the rest of the country. A few Tweets don't count.

Steve Bank is out of Seattle and Seattle legitimately appears to be having a disproportionate increase in crime relative to the nation, San Francisco hasn't.

 

[bilby]

OMFG! An attack happened in San Francisco weeks ago?!

Also, it is Mad Max out in California! Yes, this doesn't include 2021, but it really does speak to the Bullshit that is The Daily Fail. I'm not certain who TSwizzle thinks he is fooling, beside himself.

They're not reporting this because it's news; They are reporting it because "horrific video" is the way to get the maximum number of clicks, and therefore the maximum revenue.

If the exact same crime had occurred but no video been captured, none of us would ever have heard of it unless we happened to live in the immediate area, or know somebody who knows someone involved (victim, perpetrator or witness).

Violent crime isn't increasing, but with the massive proliferation of the ability to take photographs and videos of crimes in progress, and to distribute these worldwide with little effort, we are now seeing vast numbers of violent crimes that a few decades ago would have occurred without ever coming to our attention.

With a world population of many billions, even extraordinarily low rates of violent crimes can now feed a daily drip, drip, drip of "horrific" straight to our handheld devices.

Things were much worse in the late twentieth century; But nobody (except a handful of criminologists and statisticians) knew, so it didn't matter.

 

[Oleg]

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

Yes. Foolish people believing their lying eyes.

Why did you bother to respond to my post without reading it?

Wut? It’s not just that crime, like homicide, burglary, and car thefts were up; it’s that the DA very publicly decided not to prosecute. Saying that the public was bamboozled by all those right-wingers in SF media is, wait, what?

Please show me the stats showing the rampant rise in crime in San Francisco relative to the rest of the country. A few Tweets don't count.

Steve Bank is out of Seattle and Seattle legitimately appears to be having a disproportionate increase in crime relative to the nation, San Francisco hasn't.

Burglaries, Arsons, and Car Thefts Are All Up Significantly in SF Over Last Year

Crime was expected to go down with shelter-in-place orders back at the beginning of the pandemic, and for a short time, it did. But in San Francisco, the nature of the crimes being committed most often may have shifted, but there's still plenty of bad stuff going on all over town.

sfist.com

Again, it’s not just the rise in crime; it’s the DA response to it. People notice when their neighborhood experiences an uptick in crime - because they live there. And when it’s the same bad actors over and over, even lefty SF says enough.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because the people were convinced that crime was at a historic level high, that it was a local anomaly caused by his policies.

But it isn't, and it wasn't.

It was a damn lie.

Yes, crime went up, but it is still relatively low compared to where it was. But it didn't matter, because the right-wing continued attacking the guy because of fictional crime spikes, when crime had merely increased there like almost everywhere else in the country.

Yes. Foolish people believing their lying eyes.

Why did you bother to respond to my post without reading it?

Wut? It’s not just that crime, like homicide, burglary, and car thefts were up; it’s that the DA very publicly decided not to prosecute. Saying that the public was bamboozled by all those right-wingers in SF media is, wait, what?

Please show me the stats showing the rampant rise in crime in San Francisco relative to the rest of the country. A few Tweets don't count.

Steve Bank is out of Seattle and Seattle legitimately appears to be having a disproportionate increase in crime relative to the nation, San Francisco hasn't.

Burglaries, Arsons, and Car Thefts Are All Up Significantly in SF Over Last Year

Crime was expected to go down with shelter-in-place orders back at the beginning of the pandemic, and for a short time, it did. But in San Francisco, the nature of the crimes being committed most often may have shifted, but there's still plenty of bad stuff going on all over town.

sfist.com

Yes, thanks for demonstrating that crime (some) went up in San Francisco. We already knew that. That wasn't in dispute.

Rural murder rates are up 25% across the US. Gonna blame that on the San Fran DA? Where are the stats demonstrating the San Fran crime rate is up notably more than it has risen during the same period across the US?