CA GOP putting out ballot collection boxes, which aren't legal.

[Jimmy Higgins]

So the GOP has decided it is Banana Republic time.

They have put out ballot collection boxes in some parts of California to collect ballots. The problem is, that isn't legal. And the GOP's response is *web board level trolling*.

Now, the party is using the same law to justify the unofficial ballot boxes, arguing that its boxes are akin to volunteers who collect ballots from voters. “This procedure has been in place since 2016 — not sure why people are all of a sudden surprised,” the California GOP tweeted.

The National Republican Congressional Committee also defended the unofficial ballot boxes, suggesting in a tweet that California Democrats were “only ok with ballot harvesting when it’s the Democrats ballot harvesting.”

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At least one chapter of the California Republican Party has said it is deploying its own ballot drop-off sites because of concerns over “security,” despite scant evidence that mail-in voting leads to fraud.

“CONSERVATIVE VOTER ALERT!” the Fresno GOP said in an introduction to its list of unofficial ballot return locations. “President Trump is very concerned about the lack of security with mail in ballots. Don’t take a chance that your vote will not be counted. Once your ballot arrives in the mail, mark your ballot completely and then walk it in, as soon as possible, to one of the secure locations listed below. Make sure your vote counts!”

How did we banana republic over a single term?!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

 

[Politesse]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

Umm, it's still fraud whatever their reasons...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

It is fraud when they label it an "official" collection spot and advertise that it is.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

They did fuck it up, but California isn't a normal place to be trying to rat phuck the vote. They are creating a situation where ballots could be potentially disqualified and set up an equal protection case and get CA EV's thrown out. Their collection boxes had over 100,000 votes, no 250,000 vote in them before those boxes were taken off the street. 500,000!

 

[Keith&Co.]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

So, it's mot about fraud, it's part of a plot for tampering with the vote to prevent the population's will being accurately expressed when the votes are tallied....



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[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

So, it's mot about fraud, it's part of a plot for tampering with the vote to prevent the population's will being accurately expressed when the votes are tallied....



?

That sounds like a bit from Police Squad/The Naked Gun.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

Umm, it's still fraud whatever their reasons...

What is the indication they intend to do anything fraudulent?

Illegal, yes--California has a requirement that those delivering ballots must sign for them and drop boxes violate that. I just see no reason to think they intend anything malicious with the ballots they are collecting.

 

[Politesse]

I don't think this is about fraud at all.

Rather, they fucked up the mail. Get the R votes hand delivered while the D votes get delayed in the mail.

Umm, it's still fraud whatever their reasons...

What is the indication they intend to do anything fraudulent?

Illegal, yes--California has a requirement that those delivering ballots must sign for them and drop boxes violate that. I just see no reason to think they intend anything malicious with the ballots they are collecting.

Because they are labeled "Official Ballot Box", and they aren't official ballot boxes. What part of this is confusing?

If I paint a random bin blue and label it "USPS Post Office Box", I've still committed a federal crime even if I later faithfully hand-deliver all of the letters that get dropped into it. Intent might change your sentence, but not the crime.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What is the indication they intend to do anything fraudulent?

Illegal, yes--California has a requirement that those delivering ballots must sign for them and drop boxes violate that. I just see no reason to think they intend anything malicious with the ballots they are collecting.

Because they are labeled "Official Ballot Box", and they aren't official ballot boxes. What part of this is confusing?

If I paint a random bin blue and label it "USPS Post Office Box", I've still committed a federal crime even if I later faithfully hand-deliver all of the letters that get dropped into it. Intent might change your sentence, but not the crime.

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is the indication they intend to do anything fraudulent?

Illegal, yes--California has a requirement that those delivering ballots must sign for them and drop boxes violate that. I just see no reason to think they intend anything malicious with the ballots they are collecting.

Because they are labeled "Official Ballot Box", and they aren't official ballot boxes. What part of this is confusing?

If I paint a random bin blue and label it "USPS Post Office Box", I've still committed a federal crime even if I later faithfully hand-deliver all of the letters that get dropped into it. Intent might change your sentence, but not the crime.

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent.

Okay, we're done here. Last one out, turn off the lights.

 

[Elixir]

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

"Ok, the written information in fonts and colors of official boxes is fraudulent but that's an unintented coincidence; it is not really meant to convey fraudulent information"

BULLSHIT

 

[ZiprHead]

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

"Ok, the written information in fonts and colors of official boxes is fraudulent but that's an unintented coincidence; it is not really meant to convey fraudulent information"

BULLSHIT

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

 

[Jarhyn]

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

"Ok, the written information in fonts and colors of official boxes is fraudulent but that's an unintented coincidence; it is not really meant to convey fraudulent information"

BULLSHIT

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

Only the ones they can predict as D.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

"Ok, the written information in fonts and colors of official boxes is fraudulent but that's an unintented coincidence; it is not really meant to convey fraudulent information"

BULLSHIT

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

There's a significant difference between voluntarily giving your ballot to someone you trust to turn in to an official ballot collection location (what some churches and dem orgs are doing) and this. Obviously LP is too....... to recognize this blatant, obvious difference, but everyone else, including actual CA election official can.

There is nothing stopping the CA GOP from going through the boxes and trying to weed out any Dem votes.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

Only the ones they can predict as D.

Not necessarily. All they might need is *real* evidence of voter fraud to embolden Trump and his enablers to invalidate mail-in votes. It's ok if they invalidate some R votes too because they currently *believe* that more mail-in votes will be D than will be R. So, if they can create evidence of voter fraud then they might be able to achieve Trump's results.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

"Ok, the written information in fonts and colors of official boxes is fraudulent but that's an unintented coincidence; it is not really meant to convey fraudulent information"

BULLSHIT

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

My question is what do you do with ballots that might have been deposited in them?

 

[Politesse]

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

My question is what do you do with ballots that might have been deposited in them?

Cite them as evidence to support a broader claim that the whole election is fraudulent. Which is, as it happens, also a primary goal of the Republican Party this election season.

Funny, that.

 

[Elixir]

Ok, the labeling is fraudulent. I'm just saying I don't think they're trying to engage in voter fraud here.

"Ok, the written information in fonts and colors of official boxes is fraudulent but that's an unintented coincidence; it is not really meant to convey fraudulent information"

BULLSHIT

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

I'm wondering if that isn't a whole other crime. The initial fraud was committed in order to facilitate a scheme to undermine the election.
That should compound the offense, like causing death while committing a felony.
I think cameras should be watching everything that happens at those locations and people arrested if they access the box.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I'm wondering if their intention was to challenge those ballots because of mishandling. Like a chain-of-evidence issue.

My question is what do you do with ballots that might have been deposited in them?

Toss those, tell people to check the website, see if their vote has been counted. Extend the date for submission of ballots.

 

[Elixir]

If they know who the perps are, why aren't they being arrested?
Seriously ...

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla was clear with the OC Register that this is absolutely not legal. “Operating unofficial ballot drop boxes – especially those misrepresented as official drop boxes – is not just misleading to voters, it’s a violation of state law,” he said, adding that doing so is a felony with a possible two- to four-year sentence.(link)

If these were Demonkratz, Trump would be calling for someone to execute.
As it is, we will need some arrests so that after the election when Trump claims fraud, it can be shown to be Republican fraud.