CA Reparations Task Force

[Oleg]

So the Hoover Institution estimates that the tax burden on the non black household will be around $600k.

The non-black households will just have to work without compensation. Makes sense.

And of course, the numbskulls that dream this shit up are surprised at any pushback;

Imagine the celebration in Chinatown when they learn they get to pay reparations to their tormentors.

Dirty secret of black-on-Asian violence is out

The recent incidents of black violence against Asians is the perfect opportunity to open a...

www.sfgate.com

 

[TSwizzle]

Hilarious;

California reparations taskforce increases amount it is demanding to $800BN from $640BN - and says it is only a 'down-payment' with even more money needed in future. Black Californians are owed $800 billion for reparations due to generations of over-policing, disproportionate incarceration and housing discrimination, according to economists who are working with the state panel considering the payments. In their report, the consultants suggest the state task force 'err on the side of generosity' and consider a down-payment with more money to come as more evidence becomes available. It should be communicated to the public that the substantial initial down-payment is the beginning of a conversation about historical injustices, not the end of it,' they said. The new estimate is more than 2.5 times California’s $300 billion annual budget, and does not include a recommended $1 million per older Black resident for health disparities that have shortened their average life span.

Daily Mail

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

 

[Derec]

Governor Goodhair really stepped into it starting this shit in the first place.

Hear that whooshing sound, Newsom? That's the sound of your presidential chances disappearing.

I have said before that one of the reasons reparations are useless is that it will never be enough for the race warriors. I feel vindicated by these new demands.

 

[TSwizzle]

I have said before that one of the reasons reparations are useless is that it will never be enough for the race warriors. I feel vindicated by these new demands.

California's reparations board has been told to increase the amount given to each black resident from $5 million to $7.6 million - as one economist said the proposed $800 billion budget was not enough. In Sacramento, the state committee was urged not to be influenced by San Francisco's recommendations - which they felt were insufficient.

Uncanny !

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

As conservatives you should be very happy about this. It means more job creators. And that means they will be trickling their wealth all over you.

 

[Derec]

As conservatives you should be very happy about this.

Why would conservatives - or anybody except "whites are bad, mkay" far left types be happy about this blatantly racist money grab?

It means more job creators. And that means they will be trickling their wealth all over you.

You mean like this?

Those people speaking before the commission really believe Daddy "Warbucks" Newsom will give them so many fat stacks they'll have to use a forklift.

How about California give all that money to me and I promise I will create a lot of jobs.

 

[Derec]

Imagine the celebration in Chinatown when they learn they get to pay reparations to their tormentors.

Dirty secret of black-on-Asian violence is out

The recent incidents of black violence against Asians is the perfect opportunity to open a...

www.sfgate.com

A little while ago I heard a segment on NPR about anti-Asian violence. The guest was talking about how they want to focus on white-on-Asian violence, as bringing up black-on-Asian violence would damage the relationship between blacks and Asians. Zero pushback by the host. I guess it's fine to damage the relationship between whites and Asians. Crazy times we live in.

 

[Derec]

Ah, the old argument that crimes stop being crimes once enough time goes by.

When both the perpetrators and victims are long dead, it becomes moot, doesn't it?

 

[Politesse]

Ah, the old argument that crimes stop being crimes once enough time goes by.

When both the perpetrators and victims are long dead, it becomes moot, doesn't it?

That is very true. But those who make this argument generally want to focus exclusively on perpetrator perspectives, and ignore the fact that poverty and disenfranchisement have generational effects.

 

[Derec]

No, it really isn't. If I steal ten dollars from you and the law man makes me give it back,

It's more like this. Someone steals $10 from someone else and, and the government wants to make a person give it to somebody else (with usurious interest by the way) based on their skin colors.

that isn't "the government taking money from non-idiots", that's just you getting the money back that never should have been stolen from you in the first place.

The person who had their money stolen is long dead. So is the thief.

It's your money to begin with, I have no right to it just because I took it.

My money is my money. Not some random black person's.
I did not steal it from any black people, and neither did my ancestors. If anything, I should be getting $5M from Turkey for oppressing my ancestors for 5 centuries. I should not be paying it to people just because they have more melanin in their skin than me.

 

[thebeave]

As a wise space trotting smuggler once said, "I got a bad feeling about this..."

Ultimately, there is just no way millions of dollars per person are going to be handed out. Its mind boggling insane to think that would/could ever happen. In a best case scenario, I could see maybe one one-hundreth of that. I think there will be a lot of unhappy campers who had dreamed big on getting theirs. Look what's happened in France when some of their pension benefit was pulled out from under them? And can you imagine those black citizens who aren't eligible to receive anything, but maybe came awfully close? Yikes...

 

[Politesse]

The person who had their money stolen is long dead. So is the thief.

The San Francisco initiative is very specifically about currently alive victims of housing discrimination.

 

[Toni]

No, it really isn't. If I steal ten dollars from you and the law man makes me give it back,

It's more like this. Someone steals $10 from someone else and, and the government wants to make a person give it to somebody else (with usurious interest by the way) based on their skin colors.

that isn't "the government taking money from non-idiots", that's just you getting the money back that never should have been stolen from you in the first place.

The person who had their money stolen is long dead. So is the thief.

It's your money to begin with, I have no right to it just because I took it.

My money is my money. Not some random black person's.
I did not steal it from any black people, and neither did my ancestors. If anything, I should be getting $5M from Turkey for oppressing my ancestors for 5 centuries. I should not be paying it to people just because they have more melanin in their skin than me.

I am sorry about your family history.

IF it were the case that once the Emancipation Proclamation took effect throughout the United States that formerly enslaved peoples were given full citizenship and full rights, including voting rights, rights to education, etc. on equal footing with all other US citizens, then you would have a point: the small amount of reparations offered at the time would be sufficient, I suppose. I mean, not really: one cannot possibly compensate someone for enslavement of the individuals, their ancestors, their children. It's simply not possible. But that is not the case that repression of black people ended with slavery. It did not. It did not end with Civil Rights Movement and legislation enacted at that time and it is in fact still the case that in many ways, people with ancestors who were enslaved in the United States are denied rights afforded people whose ancestors immigrated from Europe. Discrimination in housing, employment, education still exists. Discrimination in health care exists. Some of the discrimination is rooted in unconscious bias but much of it is codified in laws, regulations, codes, loan practices, etc. And worst of all, the disparities in dealing with law enforcement and the legal system.

I'm not close to smart enough or knowledgeable enough to know what is the appropriate dollar amount of compensation. Any dollar amount is insufficient. I know this because I cannot name any sum of money that would compensate me for having my child ripped from my arms and sold into slavery, never to see them again. Or if this had been done to my parents, grandparents, great grandparents. There just is not enough money in the world.

So, monetary compensation is one part of reparations. But so is access to education, access to loans, to housing, to employment, to health insurance and life insurance--and home owner's insurance and auto insurance, etc.

As far as I can determine, none of my ancestors owned slaves nor lived in slave holding states. That does not mean that my ancestors, my family or I did not benefit from the enslavement of others. We did. Even though your family immigrated relatively recently (I don't remember if you are first generation or second), you also benefit from what was built by slave labor and by labor that was less well compensated because the workers had black skin. We all do--except those enslaved people and their descendants and the families of darker skinned people today.

The very closest I can come to experiencing what the parents of black sons experience when they have to talk to their sons about how to behave if they are pulled over by police--a talk that goes very much further than what we said to our white sons when they first learned to drive or to go in cars with their friends--is when I had to caution my daughter about why I was less willing to allow her to be out late at night or walk a mile to a friend's house after dark or being careful about going to parties and making sure that no one else ever touched her soda. Let me tell you, she was incandescently furious. You cannot possibly know. And I do not blame her even a little bit.

That pales in comparison with what black parents must deal with with their sons and daughters.

 

[Politesse]

My money is my money. Not some random black person's

That is true. Public funds are another matter.

 

[Derec]

That is very true. But those who make this argument generally want to focus exclusively on perpetrator perspectives, and ignore the fact that poverty and disenfranchisement have generational effects.

But once you start down that road, where do you stop? There has been a lot of disenfranchisement, poverty, oppression on many side in history going back centuries. Should I get reparations from Turkey for their occupation between 14th and 19th centuries for example?

And how long shall the past be held as an excuse? When does personal responsibility kick in? There is a lot of talk about blacks having a much lower net worth than whites. The assumption is that it's all, or mostly, due to so-called "systemic racism" or discrimination. But is it?
I live in Atlanta. I see a disproportionate number of blacks drive fancy cars - BMWs, Mercs, Porsches. Cars are a depreciating asset that does not build net worth in the long run. Blacks also tend to care about fashion labels - Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Burberry etc. and shoes - Air Jordans, Lebrons etc., more than other groups. Not everybody, of course, but on average.
I am not the only one who notices it.

About seven years ago, University of Chicago economists Kerwin Kofi Charles and Erik Hurst were researching the “wealth gap” between black and white Americans when they noticed something striking. African Americans not only had less wealth than whites with similar incomes, they also had significantly more of their assets tied up in cars. The statistic fit a stereotype reinforced by countless bling-filled hip-hop videos: that African Americans spend a lot on cars, clothes, and jewelry—highly visible goods that tell the world the owner has money.

Inconspicuous Consumption
Rest of the article is behind a paywall unfortunately. The paper it references is open, but it is long, and I did not have time to read the whole thing. It lacks tables or graphs too, which is unfortunate. Data visualization is important.

That affects building net worth even with a good salary. So disparate outcomes are not necessarily due to past discrimination, no matter how much you race warriors want to pretend that it is.

 

[Politesse]

But once you start down that road, where do you stop? There has been a lot of disenfranchisement, poverty, oppression on many side in history going back centuries. Should I get reparations from Turkey for their occupation between 14th and 19th centuries for example?

If you can document how it has substantially impacted you, I don't see any reason why you wouldn't. Questions over possible reparations for the Armenian genocide are, in fact, a very poignant and volatile political issue in Turkey at present.

 

[Politesse]

And how long shall the past be held as an excuse? When does personal responsibility kick in? There is a lot of talk about blacks having a much lower net worth than whites. The assumption is that it's all, or mostly, due to so-called "systemic racism" or discrimination. But is it?

The government can't comment on individual culpability, only on the effects of it's own policies and laws. And I only see one person making excuses for those, here.

 

[Toni]

That is very true. But those who make this argument generally want to focus exclusively on perpetrator perspectives, and ignore the fact that poverty and disenfranchisement have generational effects.

But once you start down that road, where do you stop? There has been a lot of disenfranchisement, poverty, oppression on many side in history going back centuries. Should I get reparations from Turkey for their occupation between 14th and 19th centuries for example?

And how long shall the past be held as an excuse? When does personal responsibility kick in? There is a lot of talk about blacks having a much lower net worth than whites. The assumption is that it's all, or mostly, due to so-called "systemic racism" or discrimination. But is it?
I live in Atlanta. I see a disproportionate number of blacks drive fancy cars - BMWs, Mercs, Porsches. Cars are a depreciating asset that does not build net worth in the long run. Blacks also tend to care about fashion labels - Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Burberry etc. and shoes - Air Jordans, Lebrons etc., more than other groups. Not everybody, of course, but on average.
I am not the only one who notices it.

About seven years ago, University of Chicago economists Kerwin Kofi Charles and Erik Hurst were researching the “wealth gap” between black and white Americans when they noticed something striking. African Americans not only had less wealth than whites with similar incomes, they also had significantly more of their assets tied up in cars. The statistic fit a stereotype reinforced by countless bling-filled hip-hop videos: that African Americans spend a lot on cars, clothes, and jewelry—highly visible goods that tell the world the owner has money.

Inconspicuous Consumption
Rest of the article is behind a paywall unfortunately. The paper it references is open, but it is long, and I did not have time to read the whole thing. It lacks tables or graphs too, which is unfortunate. Data visualization is important.

That affects building net worth even with a good salary. So disparate outcomes are not necessarily due to past discrimination, no matter how much you race warriors want to pretend that it is.

It's much easier to qualify for a car loan than for a home mortgage.

It's easier to have an expensive smart phone than it is to have a car.

 

[laughing dog]

That is very true. But those who make this argument generally want to focus exclusively on perpetrator perspectives, and ignore the fact that poverty and disenfranchisement have generational effects.

But once you start down that road, where do you stop? There has been a lot of disenfranchisement, poverty, oppression on many side in history going back centuries. Should I get reparations from Turkey for their occupation between 14th and 19th centuries for example?

Yes, you should. In fact, instead of wasting your spare time posting here, you should devote all of your spare time on documenting the damages, and then pursuing your claims. Just remember, any reparations you get will be in Turkish lira which loses half its value every year.

 

[TSwizzle]

Ultimately, there is just no way millions of dollars per person are going to be handed out. Its mind boggling insane to think that would/could ever happen.

Not only insane but a callous act of cruelty on African Americans by the insufferable prick Newsom.