Calling someone the "N" word

[Bronzeage]

I once greatly upset an inlaw because I told her she was "crazy."

She demanded know why I would say such a thing,. I said, "Because you say crazy things and you do crazy things." That pretty much ended the discussion, because she knew better than to try to defend her behavior or words against such an accusation.

One does have to wear a turtle shell helmet, or goosestep around the town square wearing a brown shirt with a Swastika arm band, to qualify as a "Nazi." The accusation of saying Nazi things or doing Nazi things would be an easy thing to refute, if one had not made a habit of doing that sort of thing.

I've read a little bit about the Nazi regime of Germany. One of the cornerstones of Nazi thought was that there was some kind of superior human and most of them were part of this group. Another cornerstone was that certain inferior groups of humans were the cause of their problems. Once in power, the Nazis thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the power of the state, which is law enforcement and the military to make life miserable for these inferior groups, right up to the point of killing large numbers of them and taking their stuff.

Everything in life, with the exception of life and death, comes in degrees. This means there will be some who have no Nazi in them, some who have a little, some with a lot, and few who wear the helmet and the brown shirt.

There will be plenty who do Nazi things and say Nazi things, and the word "Nazi" has never occurred to them. They'll even be offended when someone lumps them in with those horrible people who kill the Jews and stole their stuff. They would never do such a thing. They just want to keep America for decent Americans, who happen to look like them, and so on. They'll call this "making America first," or "making America great," but never "making America Nazi."

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Which leftists are being called Nazis?

Socialists.

Well, that's as old as the hills. That's like people saying evolution is "just a theory". Does anybody really get upset about that anymore? People taking it at face value when governments call themselves socialist is a constant of political life. Gotta pick your battles.

Okay then. My signature.

 

[WAB]

I think that it should always be unacceptable to call someone a Nazi.

Especially if they are a Nazi because then you should punch them.

Clearly. If you call them a Nazi first, then they'll be prepared for you to punch them and might run away and then you have to go and chase them down the street and it just becomes a whole thing. Nazis are, after all, only Nazis and they really aren't worth that level of effort.

And they're not worth the capital N either, just sayin. My hobbyhorse. I always say "nazi". And I will frequently type shitler, instead of hitler (notice no capitals).

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Well, that's as old as the hills. That's like people saying evolution is "just a theory". Does anybody really get upset about that anymore? People taking it at face value when governments call themselves socialist is a constant of political life. Gotta pick your battles.

Okay then. My signature. Woe is me, I can dish it out but I can't take it. I'm a victim, I'm a martyr.

FIFY

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, that's as old as the hills. That's like people saying evolution is "just a theory". Does anybody really get upset about that anymore? People taking it at face value when governments call themselves socialist is a constant of political life. Gotta pick your battles.

Okay then. My signature. Woe is me, I can dish it out but I can't take it. I'm a victim, I'm a martyr.

FIFY

Well, first, I haven't called you a racist, fascist Nazi. Nice try with your personal insults.

BUT, what you wrote is that you only call people Nazis when it is appropriate to do so.

This is clearly false.

Let's get back to the op. We have an example (you) from the Right calling someone on the left (me) a Nazi. Am I claiming this is an end to democracy? NOPE.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Tell the whole story Don.

I gave you one (1) neg rep. You responded with a dozen neg reps.

You have done this before. It is your method of operations. It is how you handle neg rep.

Annoyed that you did it yet again, I did to you what you do to others. Instead of multiplying by 12 the way you did, I only trebled your effort. It was enough to leave you completely butthurt. You're whining about it weeks later.

As for the use of the "n" word, I maintain it was completely appropriate, even down to you mistakenly saying that I'm from the right.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Please show where you were called a Nazi 30 times in neg rep as opposed to posts that deserved neg rep. I stopped playing your neg rep game while you insulted over rep. Also explain how this leftist is calling that an end to democracy. [Your op claim]. As one can see, I am wearing your personal insults like a badge of honor. So the op's attempts to generalize the left with anecdotes and hasty generalizations are a big fail.

Perhaps you would care to mention that anecdotes about particular people don't create the left now?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Please show where you were called a Nazi 30 times in neg rep as opposed to posts that deserved neg rep. I stopped playing your neg rep game while you insulted over rep. Also explain how this leftist is calling that an end to democracy. [Your op claim]. As one can see, I am wearing your personal insults like a badge of honor. So the op's attempts to generalize the left with anecdotes and hasty generalizations are a big fail.

Perhaps you would care to mention that anecdotes about particular people don't create the left now?

So your complaint that I turned the tables on you is "waah, I didn't use the 'n' word when giving you a dozen neg reps, waah, unfair."

Lame.

So you can wear that I treated you the way you treated me as a badge of honor. It is also a confession.

Plus I used the word correctly.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So your complaint that I turned the tables on you is "waah, I didn't use the 'n' word when giving you a dozen neg reps, waah, unfair."...

No, your negative rep comments did not even speak to posts but instead spammed a poster with insults.

Plus I used the word correctly.

Since I am not a Nazi, you did not use the word correctly.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

To my knowledge I have never used the word on a leftist, nor have I used it without reason to suspect it was appropriate to do so.

You're just butthurt that you got what you give to others.

 

[fast]

Complete fabrication, but what the hell:

So, this guy yelled at another saying, “let me tell you one thing you fucking n word, we don’t tolerate that kind of shit here.”

I’m paraphrasing; it’s been awhile, but what’s funny (and oh, believe me, it was funny), the person yelling did not say what you think he might have. He didn’t say “nigger.” He actually said, “n word.” First off, who does that? Well, in this case, he did.

Anyhow, given this thread, should I now be on the lookout for ambiguity in real life? I mean, if someone calls me (me!) an n word (and actually says “n word”), what’s gonna get on my n word (nerves) isn’t that I was called that but rather trying to figure out what damn n word they’re talking about.

I’m fine with people saying “n word” in today’s climate where the sheer utterance of “nigger” in certain contexts is taboo, but when the damn term “n word” itself becomes ambiguous, well, that’s just too damn much.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

To my knowledge I have never used the word on a leftist, ...

Since I am a leftist, as I told you before, you used the personal insult "fascist, racist Nazi" 35 times or whatever on a leftist.

nor have I used it without reason to suspect it was appropriate to do so.

Since you did in fact use the insult Nazi while suspecting it was inappropriate to do so and did it anyway, you did in fact use it without reason to suspect it was appropriate to do so.

Therefore, you are wrong on both counts.

You're just butthurt that you got what you give to others.

Nope. I just found your anecdotal op to be bullshit in light of your posts and knowledge about you throwing around the so-called "n-word," and your hasty generalizations to be in poor taste. I don't know. Maybe you could admit that you are wrong about the premise that I am a Nazi and further that leftists aren't all screaming that democracy is over because one person was called a Nazi. Since you are apparently unwilling to accept your errors, I will just place you on ignore. Buh bye.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

To my knowledge I have never used the word on a leftist, nor have I used it without reason to suspect it was appropriate to do so.

Since I am a leftist, as I told you before, you used the personal insult "fascist, racist Nazi" 35 times or whatever on a leftist.

A leftist who uses Nazi dog-whistles. Right. Lie down with dogs and get up with fleas.

You're just butthurt that you got what you give to others.

Nope. I just found your anecdotal op to be bullshit in light of your posts and knowledge about you throwing around the so-called "n-word," and your hasty generalizations to be in poor taste. I don't know. Maybe you could admit that you are wrong about the premise that I am a Nazi and further that leftists aren't all screaming that democracy is over because one person was called a Nazi. Since you are apparently unwilling to accept your errors, I will just place you on ignore. Buh bye.

Apparently you are having a hard time reading the linked articles. Is your butthurt preventing you from doing so?


I guess Don2 actually proves the whole point of this thread though. He's discovered that being compared to a Nazi or being called a Nazi feels bad, but is only a bad thing based on who is getting called it and who is doing the calling.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Some people are Nazis. I am not one of them. The Nazis at Charlottesville should be called Nazis and held to account. It's only a dog whistle in the sense that it is important to oppose the growth of ultra-racist ideologies. I am not a Nazi and have absolutely nothing to do with those people , their beliefs, their beliefs in practices like propaganda, ethnic states, genocide, conspiracies to target minorities, etc. I am not a Nazi.

 

[Trausti]

Some people are Nazis. I am not one of them. The Nazis at Charlottesville should be called Nazis and held to account. It's only a dog whistle in the sense that it is important to oppose the growth of ultra-racist ideologies. I am not a Nazi and have absolutely nothing to do with those people , their beliefs, their beliefs in practices like propaganda, ethnic states, genocide, conspiracies to target minorities, etc. I am not a Nazi.

That's exactly what a Nazi would say.

 

[laughing dog]

Some people are Nazis. I am not one of them. The Nazis at Charlottesville should be called Nazis and held to account. It's only a dog whistle in the sense that it is important to oppose the growth of ultra-racist ideologies. I am not a Nazi and have absolutely nothing to do with those people , their beliefs, their beliefs in practices like propaganda, ethnic states, genocide, conspiracies to target minorities, etc. I am not a Nazi.

That's exactly what a Nazi would say.

On what basis do you know that?

 

[Trausti]

Some people are Nazis. I am not one of them. The Nazis at Charlottesville should be called Nazis and held to account. It's only a dog whistle in the sense that it is important to oppose the growth of ultra-racist ideologies. I am not a Nazi and have absolutely nothing to do with those people , their beliefs, their beliefs in practices like propaganda, ethnic states, genocide, conspiracies to target minorities, etc. I am not a Nazi.

That's exactly what a Nazi would say.

On what basis do you know that?

Touché.

 

[Bomb#20]

Well, first, I haven't called you a racist, fascist Nazi. Nice try with your personal insults.

BUT, what you wrote is that you only call people Nazis when it is appropriate to do so.

This is clearly false.

How so? What's inappropriate about calling you a Nazi?

Plus I used the word correctly.

Since I am not a Nazi, you did not use the word correctly.

Are you -- you -- proposing that it's only appropriate and correct to call someone a Nazi if that someone is a Nazi?

It seems to me there's another circumstance in which it's appropriate and correct: payment in like coin. When you call somebody a Nazi without just cause, you are choosing to become fair game for everybody else to call you a Nazi.

Of course, if you feel it's okay for you to call non-Nazis Nazis, but that, solely on the grounds that you are not a Nazi, others really ought not to call you a Nazi, then feel free to make a case for why the rest of us should all have such a double standard for your benefit.

Alternately, in case every non-Nazi you ever called a Nazi was him or herself guilty of incorrectly and inappropriately calling people Nazis, then feel free to quote him/her/them doing so.

Alternately alternately, if you feel I am mistaken about the circumstances that morally justify Nazi-calling, and it is actually only appropriate and correct to call people Nazis if they really are Nazis, and when you've done it to non-Nazis in the past you were every bit as much in the wrong as Jason is now, then feel free to apologize to those you've done it to and commit to never doing it to anyone again, and then I expect Jason will reciprocate, and you two can figuratively shake hands and put this unpleasantness behind you.

 

[WAB]

How so? What's inappropriate about calling you a Nazi?

Since I am not a Nazi, you did not use the word correctly.

Are you -- you -- proposing that it's only appropriate and correct to call someone a Nazi if that someone is a Nazi?

It seems to me there's another circumstance in which it's appropriate and correct: payment in like coin. When you call somebody a Nazi without just cause, you are choosing to become fair game for everybody else to call you a Nazi.

Of course, if you feel it's okay for you to call non-Nazis Nazis, but that, solely on the grounds that you are not a Nazi, others really ought not to call you a Nazi, then feel free to make a case for why the rest of us should all have such a double standard for your benefit.

Alternately, in case every non-Nazi you ever called a Nazi was him or herself guilty of incorrectly and inappropriately calling people Nazis, then feel free to quote him/her/them doing so.

Alternately alternately, if you feel I am mistaken about the circumstances that morally justify Nazi-calling, and it is actually only appropriate and correct to call people Nazis if they really are Nazis, and when you've done it to non-Nazis in the past you were every bit as much in the wrong as Jason is now, then feel free to apologize to those you've done it to and commit to never doing it to anyone again, and then I expect Jason will reciprocate, and you two can figuratively shake hands and put this unpleasantness behind you.

^ Best post in years.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How so? What's inappropriate about calling you a Nazi?

Since I am not a Nazi, you did not use the word correctly.

Are you -- you -- proposing that it's only appropriate and correct to call someone a Nazi if that someone is a Nazi?

It seems to me there's another circumstance in which it's appropriate and correct: payment in like coin. When you call somebody a Nazi without just cause, you are choosing to become fair game for everybody else to call you a Nazi.

Of course, if you feel it's okay for you to call non-Nazis Nazis, but that, solely on the grounds that you are not a Nazi, others really ought not to call you a Nazi, then feel free to make a case for why the rest of us should all have such a double standard for your benefit.

Alternately, in case every non-Nazi you ever called a Nazi was him or herself guilty of incorrectly and inappropriately calling people Nazis, then feel free to quote him/her/them doing so.

Alternately alternately, if you feel I am mistaken about the circumstances that morally justify Nazi-calling, and it is actually only appropriate and correct to call people Nazis if they really are Nazis, and when you've done it to non-Nazis in the past you were every bit as much in the wrong as Jason is now, then feel free to apologize to those you've done it to and commit to never doing it to anyone again, and then I expect Jason will reciprocate, and you two can figuratively shake hands and put this unpleasantness behind you.

Wtf