Calling someone the "N" word

[laughing dog]

How so? What's inappropriate about calling you a Nazi?

It is inappropriate to call non-Nazis Nazis. Duh.

It seems to me there's another circumstance in which it's appropriate and correct: payment in like coin. When you call somebody a Nazi without just cause, you are choosing to become fair game for everybody else to call you a Nazi.

Ah, the stupid "two wrongs make a right" position.

 

[Bomb#20]

How so? What's inappropriate about calling you a Nazi?

It is inappropriate to call non-Nazis Nazis. Duh.

Hey, if you think turnaround isn't appropriate, you're free to complain about Don getting called a Nazi. Doesn't change the fact that for Don to complain about it is rank hypocrisy.

(But come to think of it, you are the forum's reigning champion at "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.")

It seems to me there's another circumstance in which it's appropriate and correct: payment in like coin. When you call somebody a Nazi without just cause, you are choosing to become fair game for everybody else to call you a Nazi.

Ah, the stupid "two wrongs make a right" position.

Hmm, yes, that's why it's so stupid for us to lock kidnappers in cages.

 

[laughing dog]

Hey, if you think turnaround isn't appropriate, you're free to complain about Don getting called a Nazi.

I didn't say turnaround was or was not appropriate. I said it is inappropriate to call someone who is a not a Nazi a Nazi.

Doesn't change the fact that for Don to complain about it is rank hypocrisy

Until you provide evidence that Don called someone a Nazi without just cause, your responses are examples of the rank hypocrisy you seem to detest.

Hmm, yes, that's why it's so stupid for us to lock kidnappers in cages.

If you think enforcing laws against kidnapping is wrong, rational discussion is not possible.

 

[SimpleDon]

In fact, it is calling someone a "Nazi". Something that happens often, when coming from the "left", but apparently when coming from the "right" suddenly makes us reconsider the use of the "N" word and if calling people it is somehow a threat to democracy.

Anna Soubry urges police action after 'Nazi taunts' outside Parliament
MP Anna Soubry responds to "Nazi" chant abuse
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Calling someone a "Nazi" is now considered "deplorable."

Anna Soubry abuse reflects the deplorable state of politics today

It is interesting. When the taunt comes from people who show their bravado by throwing trash cans, that is considered acceptable. When the taunt comes from the "far right", such as from pro-Brexit, suddenly it is evidence if a deep problem.

Nigel Farage wonders why this is such a big deal.

Nigel Farage Responds To Anna Soubry Protest Arrest

Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate.

Police probe far-right ‘yellow vest’ group that intimidated Anna Soubry

So, is it a bad thing when a protestor calls someone a Nazi? Or is it only bad depending on who is doing it?

You seem to feel other people's pain acutely. This sensitivity can leave you ill-equipped for our modern world where manners often take a backseat to the passions of the moment.

Everyone is calling .everyone else a Nazi. Most assuredly none of the people involved are Nazis.

Be glad for small victories and soldier on.

 

[Bomb#20]

I didn't say turnaround was or was not appropriate. I said it is inappropriate to call someone who is a not a Nazi a Nazi.

Hey man, nobody said you have to be consistent. Whatever floats your boat.

Until you provide evidence that Don called someone a Nazi without just cause, your responses are examples of the rank hypocrisy you seem to detest.

Thank you for once again proving you don't give a rat's ass whether the things you say are true if you can squeeze in another "I'm rubber you're glue". It would have been hypocritical for me to have accused Don if he were actually innocent; but there's nothing hypocritical about merely not posting the evidence until someone asks. This isn't rocket science.

https://talkfreethought.org/showthr...-to-the-border&p=623098&viewfull=1#post623098

Ah, the stupid "two wrongs make a right" position.

Hmm, yes, that's why it's so stupid for us to lock kidnappers in cages.

If you think enforcing laws against kidnapping is wrong, rational discussion is not possible.

If you think you made a substantive contribution to the conversation, you're severely sarcasm-impaired. Our species often discourages behavior X by punishing it with X; "Two wrongs don't make a right" does not qualify as an intelligent objection to the practice.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

... evidence ...

I saw that coming in advance. Very consistent with you searching for the word Nazi and I noticed you the other day (after your post) going through old threads not posted in. So, I am sure you have some memory and an impression, especially since we've argued before at length on opposite sides and it has gotten nasty. I am surprised, though, that this is the example you are going with as opposed to some other example of me being nasty with someone else being nasty.

All I can say is that in the moment I may have thought Derec's constant harping on blacks, Arabs, and taking sides against them even when objectively incorrect to do so, has led many in the forum to identify that as racism and xenophobic. A comment "Dein Kampf" which translates to Your Struggle is literally identifying that this is a constant emotional trauma for Derec as he is always getting upset by it, such as complaining about hordes of Middle Easterners being let into Germany. And of course the name-calling of black men like Dindu Nuffins and Thugs. Obviously, Dein Kampf has a double meaning since it is also an allusion to Hitler's book Mean Kampf "My Struggle" written before he actually exterminated the Jews from Germany but while he was a very, very pissed off individual with tons of hate in his heart for people who are different and that he blamed for his own circumstance in life. The double meaning was directed to Derec who understands German with a purpose to get him to think though after I posted it I did think it was over the top.

Which brings me to the next point which is that you seem to not get that I brought up this thing in the context of this thread and it is not intended to be a conversation about me. The fact as I have already written in previous posts is that the world did not end when Jason Harvestdancer inappropriately 35 times negative repped me, calling me a racist, Nazi, fascist. Democracy wasn't over. From the op:

Something that happens often, when coming from the "left", but apparently when comging [sic] from the "right" suddenly makes us reconsider the use of the "N" word and if calling people it is somehow a threat to democracy. ... Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate. ... So, is it actually a bad thing when a protestor calls someone a Nazi? Or is it only bad depending on who is doing it?

Again, Jason's calling me a Nazi was not a threat to democracy, not bad depending on who did it. Jason's op was anecdotal and presented incorrect generalizations based on such anecdote. No general rule.

Whether or not it is appropriate to call someone a Nazi depends on the context and the person being called a Nazi, not the person who is doing the calling. You are not often going to hear mislabels of Nazi directed at leftish persons because more often you will hear them called socialists, Stalinists, communists etc by the far right with the exception of perhaps what the right calls feminnazis. That's really the tendency going on, probably.

Besides this, there is an excluded middle, not being talked about. Inappropriateness is not a binary switch but has layers and is a continuum. For example, spamming someone is a Nazi 35 times is different than writing it once or even spamming someone 2 times. Likewise, calling a violent racist member of the terrorist KKK organization a Nazi is different than calling Nancy Pelosi a Nazi.

I am sure that these observations of analysis: an excluded middle, context, anecdotal evidence, hasty generalizations apply in some ways to the op. I leave that as an exercise to ponder to the reader as I am busy atm.

 

[laughing dog]

Hey man, nobody said you have to be consistent.

I was consistent. I made no statement about "turn around". Clearly you are confused. because you would never knowingly make a false and damaging claim like that.

Thank you for once again proving you don't give a rat's ass whether the things you say are true if you can squeeze in another "I'm rubber you're glue".

You really are confused. An observation of hypocrisy is not a "I'm rubber, you're glue" accusation. That might be hard for a grade school student to understand, but you ought to know the difference by now.

It would have been hypocritical for me to have accused Don if he were actually innocent; but there's nothing hypocritical about merely not posting the evidence until someone asks. This isn't rocket science.

It is hypocritical coming from alleged honest and ethical poster because it is unethical and intellectually dishonest.

https://talkfreethought.org/showthr...-to-the-border&p=623098&viewfull=1#post623098

That's your evidence? Don fully debunked your mistake.

If you think you made a substantive contribution to the conversation, you're severely sarcasm-impaired. Our species often discourages behavior X by punishing it with X; "Two wrongs don't make a right" does not qualify as an intelligent objection to the practice.

Locking someone who has knowingly committed a crime in a cell or a cage against their will is not the same as taking an innocent and holding them against their will. Equating the two is incredibly stupid.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, that's as old as the hills. That's like people saying evolution is "just a theory". Does anybody really get upset about that anymore? People taking it at face value when governments call themselves socialist is a constant of political life. Gotta pick your battles.

I thought of a better example.

I think a lot of feminists are on the left side of the spectrum. There are quite a number of right-wing talking heads and alt-right Intertubers who call such persons or a substantial subset thereof, "feminazis." So going back to Jason's op:

Something that happens often, when coming from the "left", but apparently when comging [sic] from the "right" suddenly makes us reconsider the use of the "N" word and if calling people it is somehow a threat to democracy. ... Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate. ... So, is it actually a bad thing when a protestor calls someone a Nazi? Or is it only bad depending on who is doing it?

Feminists are not generally calling that an end to democracy, not calling the police, etc.

The op is highly anecdotal.

 

[PyramidHead]

It seems to me there's another circumstance in which it's appropriate and correct: payment in like coin. When you call somebody a Nazi without just cause, you are choosing to become fair game for everybody else to call you a Nazi.

Ah, the stupid "two wrongs make a right" position.

Hmm, yes, that's why it's so stupid for us to lock kidnappers in cages.

 

[Elixir]

Is it okay to verbally punch a Grammar Nazi in the face? (Asking for a friend )

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Is it okay to verbally punch a Grammar Nazi in the face? (Asking for a friend )

I am asking for a friend. Without that, it's a sentence fragment, not a sentence.

 

[Elixir]

Is it okay to verbally punch a Grammar Nazi in the face? (Asking for a friend )

I am asking for a friend. Without that, it's a sentence fragment, not a sentence.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Again, Jason's calling me a Nazi was not a threat to democracy, not bad depending on who did it.

Moreover that instance doesn't even qualify because this thread is about someone on the right doing it to someone on the left, neither of which applies in our situation.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Again, Jason's calling me a Nazi was not a threat to democracy, not bad depending on who did it.

Moreover that instance doesn't even qualify because this thread is about someone on the right doing it to someone on the left, neither of which applies in our situation.

Since I am on the left and have a perception of you on the right, it's relevant. That is, if your claim is true that it's based on what the target thinks the targeter is, then I would have declared an end to democracy or called the police. No, I didn't. Neither generally do feminists who are called Nazis call the police. An anecdote is not sufficient evidence of a generalization:

Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate.

 

[WAB]

Is it okay to verbally punch a Grammar Nazi in the face? (Asking for a friend )

I am asking for a friend. Without that, it's a sentence fragment, not a sentence.

View attachment 19837

Ugly photo. The one doing the punching is the nazi.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Since I am on the left and have a perception of you on the right, it's relevant. That is, if your claim is true that it's based on what the target thinks the targeter is, then I would have declared an end to democracy or called the police. No, I didn't.

Nor are you elected to the British Parliament. That is something to be thankful for since you have this delusion that I'm on the right and that you're on the left.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Since I am on the left and have a perception of you on the right, it's relevant. That is, if your claim is true that it's based on what the target thinks the targeter is, then I would have declared an end to democracy or called the police. No, I didn't.

Nor are you elected to the British Parliament. That is something to be thankful for since you have this delusion that I'm on the right and that you're on the left.

I am not deluded, but even if I were, it is irrelevant to your original op where you made a bad generalization of believing the person to be far right (thus the scare quotes):

Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate.

Your anecdote does not translate into some universal rule.

 

[laughing dog]

I am not deluded, but even if I were, it is irrelevant to your original op where you made a bad generalization of believing the person to be far right (thus the scare quotes):

Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate.

Your anecdote does not translate into some universal rule.

Especially in the OP article because the call for the investigation was prompted for at least two reason, one of which was the physical harassment. Perhaps I missed it, but there was no call for an investigation based solely on the accusation of being a Nazi.

 

[Elixir]

A question now plagues papparazzi
Is it bad if one punches a nazi?
Or make us the same
as the ones who exclaim
"I'm not the Nazi! You not see?"

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am not deluded, but even if I were, it is irrelevant to your original op where you made a bad generalization of believing the person to be far right (thus the scare quotes):

Apparently if someone from the "far right" calls you a Nazi, that's something that the police should investigate.

Your anecdote does not translate into some universal rule.

Especially in the OP article because the call for the investigation was prompted for at least two reason, one of which was the physical harassment. Perhaps I missed it, but there was no call for an investigation based solely on the accusation of being a Nazi.

Well that is certainly justified in calling the police, then. I wonder if Jason will address this point.