Charlie Kirk shot in Utah

[Elixir]

Well, the price of liberty is some gun deaths every year. What? I'm just saying what Charlie Kirk said.

Charlie said some very unfortunate things. It is unsurprising that some of that misfortune should visit itself upon him.
Looks like he had maybe twenty seconds before bleeding out, so... sayanara Charlie unless there was immediate intervention. If that was an AR round, no intervention would likely save him.

Unfortunate? lol, he stood for something.

Actually he sat, then fell over for it.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Now there has been a drive-by shooting at Tim Pool's property. Nobody's hurt. Tim Pool isn't even conservative, just a liberal who deviates from the party line and is willing to criticize his own side.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Now there has been a drive-by shooting at Tim Pool's property. Nobody's hurt. Tim Pool isn't even conservative, just a liberal who deviates from the party line and is willing to criticize his own side.

Who? This person didn't go to high school? So he is a professional talker.

Meanwhile:

Pool’s remarks come shortly after he claimed in a post on X that a person "opened fire" while approaching his property in a vehicle. He said in the post that there were no injuries, that his team is reviewing the incident and will be "relaying the report to appropriate law enforcement."

You know, if I was shot at, I'd call the LEOs first, then start looking into things.

Oddly enough, he sounds like he is saying his show might stop because of costs... right when he or his establishment was 'violently assaulted'.

"At what point do we say we can't do this anymore? The cost of running Tim Cast IRL studio and the projects around it exceeds the amount of money it brings in," Pool said. "That's just that breaking point, isn't it? For any business."

"The cost isn’t cameras or lights, the cost is security," he added: "We can’t forgo security, but we can’t sustain it either."

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Pool is a right-wing influencer. He has once in the past described himself as centrist and "center libertarian left," but the vast majority of his positions are alt-right conspiracy theories and pro-Trump. He also said he is pro-Bernie. He is kind of like RVonse. Pro-Trump on almost everything, anti-Democrat, and occasionally will name-drop Bernie to get some cred. Or you could say he is like how Bill O'Reilly used to call himself a centrist while being a registered Republican or how some Christian influencers will falsely claim they used to be atheists. The most interesting thing about Pool is he seems to have been paid by the Russians to influence things the way he was doing so. To try to put this in the broader context of the thread, many influencers are being bankrolled and Charlie Kirk wasn't an exception.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Politesse]

Pool is a right-wing influencer. He has once in the past described himself as centrist and "center libertarian left," but the vast majority of his positions are alt-right conspiracy theories and pro-Trump. He also said he is pro-Bernie. He is kind of like RVonse. Pro-Trump on almost everything, anti-Democrat, and occasionally will name-drop Bernie to get some cred. Or you could say he is like how Bill O'Reilly used to call himself a centrist while being a registered Republican or how some Christian influencers will falsely claim they used to be atheists. The most interesting thing about Pool is he seems to have been paid by the Russians to influence things the way he was doing so. To try to put this in the broader context of the thread, many influencers are being bankrolled and Charlie Kirk wasn't an exception.

Yeah, but there is no such thing as the "alt right", that's a Woke conspiracy. Everyone is a "liberal" these days. Or if you really need to be specific, a "classical liberal". Don't call them neoliberals though, they hate that too.

 

[Toni]

Unfortunate? lol, he stood for something.

Misogyny and fake Christianity?

Money. Lots of it. Pouring into his pockets.

 

[Swammerdami]

With gun violence in the news of another Anglophonic country, it seemed good to mention the latest news about Kyle Rittenhouse.

Kyle IIRC was a teenager given a semi-automatic rifle for his 16th(?) birthday, and traveled to a protest far from his home to "help protect businesses from looting." Kyle cowardly shot three men, two of them died. The two dead men were unarmed when Rittenhouse shot them.

While most rational Americans thought Kyle should have just stayed home rather than taking his rifle to a scene of potential violence, Trumpists and their ilk tend to regard Rittenhouse as a hero. He's getting rich, and may run for political office when he's old enough.

One Infidel seems happy to support Rittenhouse:

The entire difference between America’s Left and Right can be summarized by comparing how the Right reacted to Kyle Rittenhouse, and how the Left reacted to Tyler Robinson.

The Right widely, openly, unabashedly celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse; made him a hero.

There is a big difference between shooting three people in self defense, and assassinating a person because you don't like his speech.

Why are you comparing the two? A better comparison would be that guy who murdered the MN lawmakers.

In the latest Rittenhouse news Kyle is defending what appears to be a cold-blooded murder in Florida as "Stand your ground."

I don’t normally take the time to speak to public comments on cases, certainly not open cases. But in this particular situation, a murder that occurred yesterday in Walton County, I feel compelled to respond to what I can only call wildly irresponsible. I would say motivated by many factors, none of them in the interest of justice in which individuals, particularly Kyle Rittenhouse and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini, are attempting to frame the murder here in Walton County on Thursday of Mr. Keen as a Stand Your Ground case or wrapping it in the Constitution or that it is Second Amendment case.

After 30-something years of doing this, I very rarely get personally offended, but I’m actually just kind of disgusted with them.

 

[Patooka]

Odds are it was some further right nutter. Those people are always trying to out batcrap each other.
Maybe they’ll get in a war with themselves.

That didn’t age well.

This didn't age well either. Magatards like Owen's, Fiennes, Crowder etc ARE at war with each other.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

With gun violence in the news of another Anglophonic country, it seemed good to mention the latest news about Kyle Rittenhouse.

Kyle IIRC was a teenager given a semi-automatic rifle for his 16th(?) birthday, and traveled to a protest far from his home to "help protect businesses from looting." Kyle cowardly shot three men, two of them died. The two dead men were unarmed when Rittenhouse shot them.

While most rational Americans thought Kyle should have just stayed home rather than taking his rifle to a scene of potential violence, Trumpists and their ilk tend to regard Rittenhouse as a hero. He's getting rich, and may run for political office when he's old enough.

One Infidel seems happy to support Rittenhouse:

The entire difference between America’s Left and Right can be summarized by comparing how the Right reacted to Kyle Rittenhouse, and how the Left reacted to Tyler Robinson.

The Right widely, openly, unabashedly celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse; made him a hero.

There is a big difference between shooting three people in self defense, and assassinating a person because you don't like his speech.

Why are you comparing the two? A better comparison would be that guy who murdered the MN lawmakers.

In the latest Rittenhouse news Kyle is defending what appears to be a cold-blooded murder in Florida as "Stand your ground."

I don’t normally take the time to speak to public comments on cases, certainly not open cases. But in this particular situation, a murder that occurred yesterday in Walton County, I feel compelled to respond to what I can only call wildly irresponsible. I would say motivated by many factors, none of them in the interest of justice in which individuals, particularly Kyle Rittenhouse and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini, are attempting to frame the murder here in Walton County on Thursday of Mr. Keen as a Stand Your Ground case or wrapping it in the Constitution or that it is Second Amendment case.

After 30-something years of doing this, I very rarely get personally offended, but I’m actually just kind of disgusted with them.

What Derec never considers is that maybe some people may act in self defense when they see a random person carrying an assault rifle, who could be a mass shooter for all they know.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

With gun violence in the news of another Anglophonic country, it seemed good to mention the latest news about Kyle Rittenhouse.

Kyle IIRC was a teenager given a semi-automatic rifle for his 16th(?) birthday, and traveled to a protest far from his home to "help protect businesses from looting." Kyle cowardly shot three men, two of them died. The two dead men were unarmed when Rittenhouse shot them.

While most rational Americans thought Kyle should have just stayed home rather than taking his rifle to a scene of potential violence, Trumpists and their ilk tend to regard Rittenhouse as a hero. He's getting rich, and may run for political office when he's old enough.

One Infidel seems happy to support Rittenhouse:

The entire difference between America’s Left and Right can be summarized by comparing how the Right reacted to Kyle Rittenhouse, and how the Left reacted to Tyler Robinson.

The Right widely, openly, unabashedly celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse; made him a hero.

There is a big difference between shooting three people in self defense, and assassinating a person because you don't like his speech.

Why are you comparing the two? A better comparison would be that guy who murdered the MN lawmakers.

In the latest Rittenhouse news Kyle is defending what appears to be a cold-blooded murder in Florida as "Stand your ground."

I don’t normally take the time to speak to public comments on cases, certainly not open cases. But in this particular situation, a murder that occurred yesterday in Walton County, I feel compelled to respond to what I can only call wildly irresponsible. I would say motivated by many factors, none of them in the interest of justice in which individuals, particularly Kyle Rittenhouse and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini, are attempting to frame the murder here in Walton County on Thursday of Mr. Keen as a Stand Your Ground case or wrapping it in the Constitution or that it is Second Amendment case.

After 30-something years of doing this, I very rarely get personally offended, but I’m actually just kind of disgusted with them.

What Derec never considers is that maybe some people may act in self defense when they see a random person carrying an assault rifle, who could be a mass shooter for all they know.

Derec has a point, in that there is no evidence that Rittenhouse conspired to kill anyone, where as the Kirk shooter intended to target and kill Kirk. The key word is premeditation.

Rittenhouse proved that idiots shouldn't open carry in crowds... or carry at all. If memory serves, he went up to where the big boys who wanted to play security were, and he was bounced from there.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

With gun violence in the news of another Anglophonic country, it seemed good to mention the latest news about Kyle Rittenhouse.

Kyle IIRC was a teenager given a semi-automatic rifle for his 16th(?) birthday, and traveled to a protest far from his home to "help protect businesses from looting." Kyle cowardly shot three men, two of them died. The two dead men were unarmed when Rittenhouse shot them.

While most rational Americans thought Kyle should have just stayed home rather than taking his rifle to a scene of potential violence, Trumpists and their ilk tend to regard Rittenhouse as a hero. He's getting rich, and may run for political office when he's old enough.

One Infidel seems happy to support Rittenhouse:

The entire difference between America’s Left and Right can be summarized by comparing how the Right reacted to Kyle Rittenhouse, and how the Left reacted to Tyler Robinson.

The Right widely, openly, unabashedly celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse; made him a hero.

There is a big difference between shooting three people in self defense, and assassinating a person because you don't like his speech.

Why are you comparing the two? A better comparison would be that guy who murdered the MN lawmakers.

In the latest Rittenhouse news Kyle is defending what appears to be a cold-blooded murder in Florida as "Stand your ground."

I don’t normally take the time to speak to public comments on cases, certainly not open cases. But in this particular situation, a murder that occurred yesterday in Walton County, I feel compelled to respond to what I can only call wildly irresponsible. I would say motivated by many factors, none of them in the interest of justice in which individuals, particularly Kyle Rittenhouse and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini, are attempting to frame the murder here in Walton County on Thursday of Mr. Keen as a Stand Your Ground case or wrapping it in the Constitution or that it is Second Amendment case.

After 30-something years of doing this, I very rarely get personally offended, but I’m actually just kind of disgusted with them.

What Derec never considers is that maybe some people may act in self defense when they see a random person carrying an assault rifle, who could be a mass shooter for all they know.

Derec has a point, in that there is no evidence that Rittenhouse conspired to kill anyone, where as the Kirk shooter intended to target and kill Kirk. The key word is premeditation.

Rittenhouse proved that idiots shouldn't open carry in crowds... or carry at all. If memory serves, he went up to where the big boys who wanted to play security were, and he was bounced from there.

I just don't think it's much of a point, when it's entirely understandable for Rittenhouse to be perceived as a mass shooter by his actions. As the right likes to say, FAFO.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, but there is no such thing as the "alt right", that's a Woke conspiracy. Everyone is a "liberal" these days. Or if you really need to be specific, a "classical liberal". Don't call them neoliberals though, they hate that too.

Being classical liberal, or even neoliberal, is very different than being on the right, or alt-right.
It is weirdness of US political terminology that the term "liberal" had been coopted by the left, including decidedly illiberal parts of the left, like for example the radfems or woke "speech I don't like is violence" and "anybody to the right of me is a fascist" types.

 

[Derec]

With gun violence in the news of another Anglophonic country, it seemed good to mention the latest news about Kyle Rittenhouse.

Why? We have had dedicated threads about his self-defense case.
Btw, are you in some kind of competition trying to get as many things wrong as possible?

Kyle IIRC was a teenager given a semi-automatic rifle for his 16th(?) birthday,

No, he wasn't given the rifle; he bought it with COVID stimulus money.
And most firearms in use today are semi-auto. I fail to see why that is significant.

and traveled to a protest far from his home

Three things wrong in nine words. Not bad, but I bet you could do even better.
He did not travel to a protest - he was already in Kenosha staying with a friend when the riots (not protests!) in Kenosha broke out. Third, he did not live far from Kenosha - it's mere 20 miles to Antioch, IL. Your boy Anthony Huber travelled a longer way to riot in Kenosha.

to "help protect businesses from looting."

Yes, he was trying to protect businesses. He also cleaned off graffiti after the first night of Kenosha riots.

Kyle cowardly shot three men, two of them died.

Back to falsehoods, I see. It's not "cowardly" to defend yourself when attacked.
Rosenbaum, a convicted pedophile child abuser btw., attacked Ritt and tried to take his firearm. Anthony Huber hit Ritt with a skateboard, and Grosskreutz raised his firearm to shoot Ritt.

The two dead men were unarmed when Rittenhouse shot them.

Only the pedophile (11 year olds, dude!) was unarmed. Huber hit Ritt on the head with his skateboard. Since he used it as a weapon, he was armed.

And Grosskreutz (now called Prediger) had a semi-automatic (see you see firearm action as so noteworthy) handgun.

While most rational Americans thought Kyle should have just stayed home rather than taking his rifle to a scene of potential violence,

I do not think anybody here disagrees with that. Of course Ritt should have stayed home. But once there, and once attacked, he had the right to defend himself. Rosenbaum, Huber und Grosskreutz should have stayed daheim as well, btw. And same goes for the rest of the #BLM/Antifa rioters who smashed things and set them on fire in Kenosha.

Trumpists and their ilk tend to regard Rittenhouse as a hero. He's getting rich, and may run for political office when he's old enough.

He may not be a hero, but he is certainly not the villain that the Left sees him as.

One Infidel seems happy to support Rittenhouse:

I assume you mean me? I think he had a right to defend himself. Is that support?
I also think that him being villainized is driving him toward the far right, and that a more sane response from the Left could have prevented that.

In the latest Rittenhouse news Kyle is defending what appears to be a cold-blooded murder in Florida as "Stand your ground."

It appears that the shooter went onto the victim's property seeking trouble. If that is all, stand your ground certainly would not apply. Either there is more to the story, or Ritt is totally off-base here.
Still does not mean that he wasn't lawfully defending himself back in 2020.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If Rittenhouse was just walking through the crowd unarmed, his life likely would never have been in danger.

 

[Patooka]

Now there has been a drive-by shooting at Tim Pool's property. Nobody's hurt. Tim Pool isn't even conservative, just a liberal who deviates from the party line and is willing to criticize his own side.

Literally nothing in that statement is even remotely accurate. Well done.

 

[Arctish]

With gun violence in the news of another Anglophonic country, it seemed good to mention the latest news about Kyle Rittenhouse.

Why? We have had dedicated threads about his self-defense case.
Btw, are you in some kind of competition trying to get as many things wrong as possible?

Kyle IIRC was a teenager given a semi-automatic rifle for his 16th(?) birthday,

No, he wasn't given the rifle; he bought it with COVID stimulus money.

Rittenhouse was underage. He could not legally purchase that weapon nor have it in his possession In the state where he lived (Illinois) so he got his friend Dominick Black (recently arrested for armed robbery, btw) who lived in Wisconsin to buy and store it for him.

Black later took a plea deal to avoid prison on two felony counts of intent to deliver a dangerous weapon to a minor.

And most firearms in use today are semi-auto. I fail to see why that is significant.

and traveled to a protest far from his home

Three things wrong in nine words. Not bad, but I bet you could do even better.
He did not travel to a protest - he was already in Kenosha staying with a friend when the riots (not protests!) in Kenosha broke out.

The daily protests and nightly rioting had been going on for two days before the night Rittenhouse went to Kenosha ostensibly to visit Black. He, Black, and Black's father decided to arm themselves and head downtown to "protect" businesses. That is how a teenager who was too young to legally own or carry the weapon he was bradishing wound up shooting an aggressive man (Rosenbaum) that he knew was unarmed but who scared him very badly, and the bystanders who tried stop him in order to prevent more shooting/killing.

Third, he did not live far from Kenosha - it's mere 20 miles to Antioch, IL. Your boy Anthony Huber travelled a longer way to riot in Kenosha.

to "help protect businesses from looting."

Yes, he was trying to protect businesses. He also cleaned off graffiti after the first night of Kenosha riots.

Kyle cowardly shot three men, two of them died.

Back to falsehoods, I see. It's not "cowardly" to defend yourself when attacked.
Rosenbaum, a convicted pedophile child abuser btw., attacked Ritt and tried to take his firearm.

Not exactly but close.

Rosenbaum was definitely aggressive and Rittenhouse was definitely afraid of him. Witnesses say Rittenhouse had pointed his gun at a group of people and that appears to be why Rosenbaum shouted "Fuck you!" at Rittenhouse, threw a plastic bag at him and chased him as Rittenhouse ran.
The county medical examiner testified it was unclear if Rosenbaum was trying to take Rittenhouse's gun or trying to shove the barrel away when he closed with Rittenhouse.

Anthony Huber hit Ritt with a skateboard, and Grosskreutz raised his firearm to shoot Ritt.

What's with the cutesy nickname?

The two dead men were unarmed when Rittenhouse shot them.

Only the pedophile (11 year olds, dude!) was unarmed. Huber hit Ritt on the head with his skateboard. Since he used it as a weapon, he was armed.

Rittenhouse fired 4 shots when he was surrounded by people, fatally wounding one of them, ran a short distance and fell, then fired off 2 more rounds at a man trying to stop him, then fatally shot Huber who was trying to disarm him, then he shot Grosskreutz.

All three of the men Rittenhouse shot at after he shot Rosenbaum were attempting to stop an active shooter who had just killed someone. Normally in the Right wing blog-o-sphere that would make them heroes but since this happened at a protest in response to an LEO involved killing, the title of Hero goes to the scared teenaged lawbreaker who got in way over his head, panicked, and killed three people and attempted to kill at least one more.

And Grosskreutz (now called Prediger) had a semi-automatic (see you see firearm action as so noteworthy) handgun.

Grosskreutz was carrying a firearm in order to protect people. Rittenhouse was carrying a firearm in order to protect property.

Guess which one gets a rightwinger's respect?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Now there has been a drive-by shooting at Tim Pool's property. Nobody's hurt. Tim Pool isn't even conservative, just a liberal who deviates from the party line and is willing to criticize his own side.

Literally nothing in that statement is even remotely accurate. Well done.

If Tim Pool said it it must be true.

MAGA Star Refuses to Give Cops Footage of Alleged Shooting

Police in West Virginia say they cannot corroborate MAGA podcaster Tim Pool’s claim that he was targeted in a shooting at his home, according to a new report. Pool, a prominent pro-Donald Trump commentator, posted on X on December 6 that a vehicle approached his home and opened fire, though no...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Arctish]

Now there has been a drive-by shooting at Tim Pool's property. Nobody's hurt. Tim Pool isn't even conservative, just a liberal who deviates from the party line and is willing to criticize his own side.

Literally nothing in that statement is even remotely accurate. Well done.

If Tim Pool said it it must be true.

MAGA Star Refuses to Give Cops Footage of Alleged Shooting

Police in West Virginia say they cannot corroborate MAGA podcaster Tim Pool’s claim that he was targeted in a shooting at his home, according to a new report. Pool, a prominent pro-Donald Trump commentator, posted on X on December 6 that a vehicle approached his home and opened fire, though no...

www.yahoo.com

Waiting for Derec to give Tim Pool the Jussie Smollett treatment.

Hey, it could happen.

 

[Patooka]

Now there has been a drive-by shooting at Tim Pool's property. Nobody's hurt. Tim Pool isn't even conservative, just a liberal who deviates from the party line and is willing to criticize his own side.

Literally nothing in that statement is even remotely accurate. Well done.

If Tim Pool said it it must be true.

MAGA Star Refuses to Give Cops Footage of Alleged Shooting

Police in West Virginia say they cannot corroborate MAGA podcaster Tim Pool’s claim that he was targeted in a shooting at his home, according to a new report. Pool, a prominent pro-Donald Trump commentator, posted on X on December 6 that a vehicle approached his home and opened fire, though no...

www.yahoo.com

When someone shoots up my place, my first instinct is to not report it and refuse to cooperate with the police.