China Prepares for War - Our Response?

[Loren Pechtel]

Same reasoning as Taiwan

Taiwan IS China. Even Taiwanese know that, they just don't like CCP rule.

You're actually right while being wrong.

Taiwan is the proper government of China. Mainland China is a rebel army occupying most of the nation.

 

[barbos]

We know Russian can barely sortie it's boomers.

yes, you knew that Russia will fold from sanctions, then from ukrainian women with pickle jars.
How is that going for you? Last I heard Biden regime is planning to force ukrainian regime to settle with Russia.

We saw what happened when you tried to deploy your carrier to Syria

We saw when you tried to deploy your Bradleys in Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

Same reasoning as Taiwan

Taiwan IS China. Even Taiwanese know that, they just don't like CCP rule.

You're actually right while being wrong.

Taiwan is the proper government of China. Mainland China is a rebel army occupying most of the nation.

Well, US is Great Britain then.

 

[barbos]

Nobody would care what goes on in Russia if Putin had not invaded Ukraine

He did not, you did. And you do care what happens in Russia, otherwise you would not have invaded Ukraine.

 

[steve_bank]

The PRC is recognized as the nation of China. The PRC is a permanent member of the UN security council.

Taiwan is not eligible for UN membership. It has no official global diplomatic status.

Chang Kai Shek lost the civil war to Mao and fled to Taiwan and set up a dictatorship. Democracy came later.

Political status of Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[steve_bank]

Nobody would care what goes on in Russia if Putin had not invaded Ukraine

He did not, you did. And you do care what happens in Russia, otherwise you would not have invaded Ukraine.

I really do not care, as with most Americans.

The issue is when reckless actions by Russia interfere with global trade and stability.

Americans invested in Russia and opened businesses. Boeing used to have a Russian design cener.

The corruption, lack of rule of law, and arbitrary actions by Putin makes it unattractive and dangerous.

We are beginning to pull business out of China for similar reasons.

Putin is Stalinism. You and your fellow Putun suppoters are more than welcome to it.

I prefer freedom of speech, a free press, and democratic processes. Even with our problems far more preferable than the Russian and Chinese dictatorships.

In the western systems you do not go to jail for speaking your mind on the government or the president.

This forum could not exist in Putin's Russia.

 

[bilby]

It's also got a bunch of old junks that would be little more than targets if war broke out.

FTFY

 

[Swammerdami]

Taiwan IS China. Even Taiwanese know that, they just don't like CCP rule.

You're actually right while being wrong.

Taiwan is the proper government of China. Mainland China is a rebel army occupying most of the nation.

Well, US is Great Britain then.

Not quite. Here's the key difference:

In the Name of the most Holy & undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc.. and of the United States of America, to forget all past Misunderstandings and Differences that have unhappily interrupted the good Correspondence and Friendship which they mutually wish to restore; and to establish such a beneficial and satisfactory Intercourse between the two countries upon the ground of reciprocal Advantages and mutual Convenience as may promote and secure to both perpetual Peace and Harmony;
...
Article 1st:
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.
...
Article 3d
It is agreed that the People of the United States shall continue to enjoy unmolested the Right to take Fish of every kind on the Grand Bank and on all the other Banks of Newfoundland, also in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and at all other Places in the Sea, where the Inhabitants of both Countries used at any time heretofore to fish. And also that the Inhabitants of the United States shall have Liberty to take Fish of every Kind on such Part of the Coast of Newfoundland as British Fishermen shall use, (but not to dry or cure the same on that Island) And also on the Coasts, Bays & Creeks of all other of his Brittanic Majesty's Dominions in America; and that the American Fishermen shall have Liberty to dry and cure Fish in any of the unsettled Bays, Harbors, and Creeks of Nova Scotia, Magdalen Islands, and Labrador, so long as the same shall remain unsettled, but so soon as the same or either of them shall be settled, it shall not be lawful for the said Fishermen to dry or cure Fish at such Settlement without a previous Agreement for that purpose with the Inhabitants, Proprietors, or Possessors of the Ground.
...
Article 7th:
There shall be a firm and perpetual Peace between his Britanic Majesty and the said States, and between the Subjects of the one and the Citizens of the other, wherefore all Hostilities both by Sea and Land shall from henceforth cease: All prisoners on both Sides shall be set at Liberty, and his Britanic Majesty shall with all convenient speed, and without causing any Destruction, or carrying away any Negroes or other Property of the American inhabitants, withdraw all his Armies, Garrisons & Fleets from the said United States, and from every Post, Place and Harbour within the same; leaving in all Fortifications, the American Artillery that may be therein: And shall also Order & cause all Archives, Records, Deeds & Papers belonging to any of the said States, or their Citizens, which in the Course of the War may have fallen into the hands of his Officers, to be forthwith restored and delivered to the proper States and Persons to whom they belong.

Article 8th:
The Navigation of the river Mississippi, from its source to the Ocean, shall forever remain free and open to the Subjects of Great Britain and the Citizens of the United States.
...

(I don't think the river Mississippi is still free and open to His Majesty's Subjects.)

 

[Elixir]

Here's the key difference:

A treaty?
A fucking TREATY?
Like Russia gives a flying fuck about any stupid treaty they may have signed…

 

[Politesse]

We, too, are arming for war... with Mexico.

 

[bilby]

(I don't think the river Mississippi is still free and open to His Majesty's Subjects.)

Perhaps some of those subjects were guilty of carrying away Negroes or other Property of the American inhabitants.

That kind of stuff can get you barred.

 

[TomC]

We, too, are arming for war... with Mexico.

Who is "we"?
Gender fluid Californian academics?
It certainly isn't me.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

We, too, are arming for war... with Mexico.

Who is "we"?
Gender fluid Californian academics?
It certainly isn't me.
Tom

The Republican Party.

"Asked if he would send special forces over the border into Mexico at last month's presidential primary debate, Florida Governor Ron Desantis said "yes, and I will do it on day one." (He has likewise vowed to kill drug smugglers "stone cold dead" at the border...)"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ahh, China – that 'minor' detail Obama hoped the TPP would sort out eventually. Because, of course, America's hands are totally tied when it comes to China.

Goodness. I completely forgot about the TPP and the holy hell it was to unleash.

 

[barbos]

Not quite. Here's the key difference

Taiwan is PRC.

Nobody would care what goes on in Russia if Putin had not invaded Ukraine

He did not, you did. And you do care what happens in Russia, otherwise you would not have invaded Ukraine.

I really do not care, as with most Americans.

The issue is when reckless actions by Russia interfere with global trade and stability.

Americans invested in Russia and opened businesses. Boeing used to have a Russian design cener.

The corruption, lack of rule of law, and arbitrary actions by Putin makes it unattractive and dangerous.

We are beginning to pull business out of China for similar reasons.

Putin is Stalinism. You and your fellow Putun suppoters are more than welcome to it.

I prefer freedom of speech, a free press, and democratic processes. Even with our problems far more preferable than the Russian and Chinese dictatorships.

In the western systems you do not go to jail for speaking your mind on the government or the president.

This forum could not exist in Putin's Russia.

You blew Nord Streams, and you call Putin reckless?
You overthrew democratically elected government of Yanukovych and call Putin reckless?
You support ukrainian terrorism in Russia.
Now US uses NATO countries air space to launch drones against military irrelevant targets in Russia, basically terrorism.

 

[barbos]

The PRC is recognized as the nation of China. The PRC is a permanent member of the UN security council.

Taiwan is not eligible for UN membership. It has no official global diplomatic status.

Chang Kai Shek lost the civil war to Mao and fled to Taiwan and set up a dictatorship. Democracy came later.

Much much later. And you were perfectly OK supporting their regime. Same way you are (were?) OK supporting Saudi Arabia.
So stop pretending it's about democracy.

 

[barbos]

7nm Huawei chip really bothers neocon regime in US.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Not quite. Here's the key difference

Taiwan is PRC.

Nobody would care what goes on in Russia if Putin had not invaded Ukraine

He did not, you did. And you do care what happens in Russia, otherwise you would not have invaded Ukraine.

I really do not care, as with most Americans.

The issue is when reckless actions by Russia interfere with global trade and stability.

Americans invested in Russia and opened businesses. Boeing used to have a Russian design cener.

The corruption, lack of rule of law, and arbitrary actions by Putin makes it unattractive and dangerous.

We are beginning to pull business out of China for similar reasons.

Putin is Stalinism. You and your fellow Putun suppoters are more than welcome to it.

I prefer freedom of speech, a free press, and democratic processes. Even with our problems far more preferable than the Russian and Chinese dictatorships.

In the western systems you do not go to jail for speaking your mind on the government or the president.

This forum could not exist in Putin's Russia.

You blew Nord Streams, and you call Putin reckless?
You overthrew democratically elected government of Yanukovych and call Putin reckless?
You support ukrainian terrorism in Russia.
Now US uses NATO countries air space to launch drones against military irrelevant targets in Russia, basically terrorism.

You keep repeating this bullshit about Yanukovych. Yanuk was legally impeached. The Ukranian parliament followed their laws and impeached his ass after he continually abused his position (killed people, looted, and etc). Secondly, I hate to say it, but I don't see any possible chance of a peace with Russia. So, why the hell do we need Nordstream anyway?

 

[Elixir]

I don't see any possible chance of a peace with Russia. So, why the hell do we need Nordstream anyway?

To feed the Russian War Machine, which is all Russia is anymore. Babs is butthurt about that, understandably.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I don't see any possible chance of a peace with Russia. So, why the hell do we need Nordstream anyway?

To feed the Russian War Machine, which is all Russia is anymore. Babs is butthurt about that, understandably.

Yea, the Russians want to bomb the shit out of people and steal their land; then fully expect normalized trade with them. Fuck that. I don't think that we should trade anything to countries invading others.