CIS gender versus TRANS gender... the throphies?

[Jarhyn]

And I'm sure a lot of people towards the civil war called themselves a lot of things, and had a lot of views that may not have followed modern sensibilities on race.

An older black freed man may say they aren't the equal of the white man.

The fact is, there's a lot of difference between then and now largely because people tend to make progress over time, in newer generations.

Perhaps, have you considered that the younger contingent, while harboring it's idiots, might actually harbor people more right than you ever had a chance to become?

Of course not. What am I thinking. Emily Lake was not born in ignorance! She was born knowing all things, just as her mother before her and her mother before her. They were all clamoring for women's liberation and knew biology and shit since the dawn of time, cum Eve.

I'm sure there were plenty of black men opposed to "miscegenation" in the day too. And not just because of the froth it whipped up in the anti-blacl racists.

You can't reasonably expect that the people a few generations past the barest acknowledgement of their existence would perhaps have growing, evolving views on self, including reaching for privacy. You are reaching to exclude them from "your" "spaces" when "spaces" are where women get to express themselves as women, to women, and learn in part how to be women. This is what you would exclude some women from. You would exclude them from the chance to be better women.

Maybe the chance to grow up women is something those old ladies have chosen to give up on. But it's a dream sought and attained by many of the younger generations: they actually get to grow up as girls, into young ladies, into women.

Because fuck your feelings, and Fuck your bigotry, and Fuck everyone who doesn't want the world to keep changing. It's gonna. It's going to become more right, and you, nor I, nor anyone can stop that.

I don't know how you manage to stand up under the weight of all the propaganda banners you're carrying.

I don't know how you manage to stand up under the weight of what is very clearly exclusivist bigotry against people who you don't understand.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I don't know how you manage to stand up under the weight of all the propaganda banners you're carrying.

I don't know how you manage to stand up under the weight of what is very clearly exclusivist bigotry against people who you don't understand.

In the French Revolution the revolutionaries were united against the king. Once the king fell the revolutionaries turned on each other, which is The Terror. In the revolution the revolutionaries executed more other revolutionaries (supposedly their friends and allies) than the king ever did.

This is where the quote "the Revolution devours its children" comes from. Said by the revolutionary Jacques Mallet du Pan after being exiled.

Can't you see what you are doing, Jarhyn? You're so blinded by your crusade for trans rights that you mistake your allies for enemies. You get so caught up by the details (pronouns) that you lose sight of the big picture (trans rights).

FYI, the right to offend and be offended is at the core of liberal democracy. It's an important value to uphold. It is the foundation of the same movement that led to female, sexual, gay and trans rights being acknowledged to begin with. The moment we start fighting for the rights of people to never risk being offended, we are killing the foundation these movements is based on. We're killing the engine of all change. The first step in any change is for someone to stand up and say something offensive.

Emily isn't a bigot. And neither am I. And neither are you. If you can't see that, you are truly blinded by your great hate towards all those who truly are bigoted that it bleeds over into everything.

 

[Jarhyn]

I don't know how you manage to stand up under the weight of all the propaganda banners you're carrying.

I don't know how you manage to stand up under the weight of what is very clearly exclusivist bigotry against people who you don't understand.

In the French Revolution the revolutionaries were united against the king. Once the king fell the revolutionaries turned on each other, which is The Terror. In the revolution the revolutionaries executed more other revolutionaries (supposedly their friends and allies) than the king ever did.

This is where the quote "the Revolution devours its children" comes from. Said by the revolutionary Jacques Mallet du Pan after being exiled.

Can't you see what you are doing, Jarhyn? You're so blinded by your crusade for trans rights that you mistake your allies for enemies. You get so caught up by the details (pronouns) that you lose sight of the big picture (trans rights).

FYI, the right to offend and be offended is at the core of liberal democracy. It's an important value to uphold. It is the foundation of the same movement that led to female, sexual, gay and trans rights being acknowledged to begin with. The moment we start fighting for the rights of people to never risk being offended, we are killing the foundation these movements is based on. We're killing the engine of all change. The first step in any change is for someone to stand up and say something offensive.

Emily isn't a bigot. And neither am I. And neither are you. If you can't see that, you are truly blinded by your great hate towards all those who truly are bigoted that it bleeds over into everything.

So, you should re-read everything you just wrote and focus on that whole "I'm not a bigot" insistence. Because every time I've ever seen someone emphatically insist they aren't...

If you wanted respect from me that's not the way to get it. "I am probably a bigot but I don't see how I am here" might have sufficed. But not "I'm not a bigot". That's not how this works. It's not how any rational position works. Rationality STARTS at "I am wrong", and DIES at "I am not wrong".

 

[Metaphor]

In the French Revolution the revolutionaries were united against the king. Once the king fell the revolutionaries turned on each other, which is The Terror. In the revolution the revolutionaries executed more other revolutionaries (supposedly their friends and allies) than the king ever did.

This is where the quote "the Revolution devours its children" comes from. Said by the revolutionary Jacques Mallet du Pan after being exiled.

Can't you see what you are doing, Jarhyn? You're so blinded by your crusade for trans rights that you mistake your allies for enemies. You get so caught up by the details (pronouns) that you lose sight of the big picture (trans rights).

FYI, the right to offend and be offended is at the core of liberal democracy. It's an important value to uphold. It is the foundation of the same movement that led to female, sexual, gay and trans rights being acknowledged to begin with. The moment we start fighting for the rights of people to never risk being offended, we are killing the foundation these movements is based on. We're killing the engine of all change. The first step in any change is for someone to stand up and say something offensive.

Emily isn't a bigot. And neither am I. And neither are you. If you can't see that, you are truly blinded by your great hate towards all those who truly are bigoted that it bleeds over into everything.

So, you should re-read everything you just wrote and focus on that whole "I'm not a bigot" insistence. Because every time I've ever seen someone emphatically insist they aren't...

If you wanted respect from me that's not the way to get it. "I am probably a bigot but I don't see how I am here" might have sufficed. But not "I'm not a bigot". That's not how this works. It's not how any rational position works. Rationality STARTS at "I am wrong", and DIES at "I am not wrong".

I'm certain DrZoideberg was not after "respect from" you.

 

[Emily Lake]

So, you should re-read everything you just wrote and focus on that whole "I'm not a bigot" insistence. Because every time I've ever seen someone emphatically insist they aren't...

When did you stop beating your spouse?

If you wanted respect from me that's not the way to get it. "I am probably a bigot but I don't see how I am here" might have sufficed. But not "I'm not a bigot". That's not how this works. It's not how any rational position works. Rationality STARTS at "I am wrong", and DIES at "I am not wrong".

I would LOVE to see you practice what you preach.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, you should re-read everything you just wrote and focus on that whole "I'm not a bigot" insistence. Because every time I've ever seen someone emphatically insist they aren't...

When did you stop beating your spouse?

If you wanted respect from me that's not the way to get it. "I am probably a bigot but I don't see how I am here" might have sufficed. But not "I'm not a bigot". That's not how this works. It's not how any rational position works. Rationality STARTS at "I am wrong", and DIES at "I am not wrong".

I would LOVE to see you practice what you preach.

Sure. I've never beaten a spouse, but I did initiate a fist fight with someone I was living with and dating. He had groomed, and then systematically abused me for years. And for some reason I didn't even leave after that? I was walking away, down the road, with my shit and I got back in the car with him.

I did get in a lot of verbal arguments with my last spouse, and it was abusive. We abused each other, but I am more at fault because I was older, and should have tried harder or left them earlier.

What I can say is that my power in this universe, and the abuses I have perpetrated with it, are vast.

That said, I recognize that I have torn a swath of misery as deep as the swath I have torn of joy, and do my best to steer away from the misery. Excepting here, for those who have miserable views that perpetuate misery of others on a vast social scale.

Your turn.

 

[Emily Lake]

When did you stop beating your spouse?


I would LOVE to see you practice what you preach.

Sure. I've never beaten a spouse, but I did initiate a fist fight with someone I was living with and dating. He had groomed, and then systematically abused me for years. And for some reason I didn't even leave after that? I was walking away, down the road, with my shit and I got back in the car with him.

I did get in a lot of verbal arguments with my last spouse, and it was abusive. We abused each other, but I am more at fault because I was older, and should have tried harder or left them earlier.

What I can say is that my power in this universe, and the abuses I have perpetrated with it, are vast.

That said, I recognize that I have torn a swath of misery as deep as the swath I have torn of joy, and do my best to steer away from the misery. Excepting here, for those who have miserable views that perpetuate misery of others on a vast social scale.

Your turn.

I've never beaten anyone, nor have I ever abused anyone. I have not initiated violence against another human once I got past about seven years old. I have been in a total of two fights in my entire life, and in both of those I spent the entire time trying not to get hit, and didn't even attempt to hit the other person.

In a few cases, I've said something during an argument that I later regretted, but it's rare. I've never called my spouse a name or a label during an argument, nor has he called me a name - that's something we agreed on very early in our relationship.

So far as I know... I have not caused misery to anyone. Nor would I support such misery being caused to anyone.

That said, I find that many of your interactions with people on this board, including myself, border on being verbally abusive. You're a bully when it comes to views that disagree with yours. In addition, I frequently perceive a complete lack of empathy for the views and experiences of other people when you think that in some way they conflict with your own desires. A vast number of your interactions don't start with you assuming that you're wrong... they start with you assuming that the other person is wrong, that you are right... and furthermore that the other person is malicious.

 

[none]

When did you stop beating your spouse?


I would LOVE to see you practice what you preach.

Sure. I've never beaten a spouse, but I did initiate a fist fight with someone I was living with and dating. He had groomed, and then systematically abused me for years. And for some reason I didn't even leave after that? I was walking away, down the road, with my shit and I got back in the car with him.

I did get in a lot of verbal arguments with my last spouse, and it was abusive. We abused each other, but I am more at fault because I was older, and should have tried harder or left them earlier.

What I can say is that my power in this universe, and the abuses I have perpetrated with it, are vast.

That said, I recognize that I have torn a swath of misery as deep as the swath I have torn of joy, and do my best to steer away from the misery. Excepting here, for those who have miserable views that perpetuate misery of others on a vast social scale.

Your turn.

I've never beaten anyone, nor have I ever abused anyone. I have not initiated violence against another human once I got past about seven years old. I have been in a total of two fights in my entire life, and in both of those I spent the entire time trying not to get hit, and didn't even attempt to hit the other person.

In a few cases, I've said something during an argument that I later regretted, but it's rare. I've never called my spouse a name or a label during an argument, nor has he called me a name - that's something we agreed on very early in our relationship.

So far as I know... I have not caused misery to anyone. Nor would I support such misery being caused to anyone.

That said, I find that many of your interactions with people on this board, including myself, border on being verbally abusive. You're a bully when it comes to views that disagree with yours. In addition, I frequently perceive a complete lack of empathy for the views and experiences of other people when you think that in some way they conflict with your own desires. A vast number of your interactions don't start with you assuming that you're wrong... they start with you assuming that the other person is wrong, that you are right... and furthermore that the other person is malicious.

who gets the trophy?

 

[Emily Lake]

You get the trophy.