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skepticalbip

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You can make a 'bucket' to fit any bore, out of a piece of pipe of smaller diameter, with a flap valve cap on the bottom and a rope secured to the top. Drop it down, wait for it to sink, then haul it up. Even a small bore pipe holds lots of water if it's long enough.

Of course you can, given access to parts. You're assuming access that likely doesn't exist.
You do know that hardware stores and their stock don't cease to exist if their staff die, right?

The demand for materials will far exceed the supply. Same problem as with the food in the groceries.

Most people live within a short distance of a permanent above ground stream or river, but even if a bore is your only option, it doesn't require much technology to rig up a manual lifring system.

I understand that a gallon is around four and a half litres, but have no clue how far a ' is; This is the Internet, not America.

Regardless, a rope, cable, wire or similar of arbitrary length is easy to scavenge. Ordinary household electrical cable is plenty strong enough for the job, and ubiquitous.

A ' is a foot. Thus, about 300m. I don't have anything around long enough.
But the local hardware store does; And the staff are dead, so there's a 100% off final closing down sale in progress.

And why do you assume they're all dead?

And making fire to boil water is a technology the pre-dates the wheel. It certainly pre-dates the widespread supply of electricity and gas.

Making a fire with what? What's the fuel?
Gee, I don't know. It's not like fuel grows on trees.

Oh, wait...

Trees? Not many of those around here and they'll be green wood, miserable fuel.
Or you could go to Home Depot or Lowe's and pick up a load of 2x4s for firewood while you are getting the rope or cord for your well bucket.
 

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Given it remains largely business as usual, a climate and economic crisis appears inevitable, the only question being: how bad is it going to get?
 

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You can make a 'bucket' to fit any bore, out of a piece of pipe of smaller diameter, with a flap valve cap on the bottom and a rope secured to the top. Drop it down, wait for it to sink, then haul it up. Even a small bore pipe holds lots of water if it's long enough.

Of course you can, given access to parts. You're assuming access that likely doesn't exist.
You do know that hardware stores and their stock don't cease to exist if their staff die, right?

The demand for materials will far exceed the supply. Same problem as with the food in the groceries.
Only if almost nobody has died during this "extinction event"
Most people live within a short distance of a permanent above ground stream or river, but even if a bore is your only option, it doesn't require much technology to rig up a manual lifring system.

I understand that a gallon is around four and a half litres, but have no clue how far a ' is; This is the Internet, not America.

Regardless, a rope, cable, wire or similar of arbitrary length is easy to scavenge. Ordinary household electrical cable is plenty strong enough for the job, and ubiquitous.

A ' is a foot. Thus, about 300m. I don't have anything around long enough.
But the local hardware store does; And the staff are dead, so there's a 100% off final closing down sale in progress.

And why do you assume they're all dead?
That's a defining feature of an extinction event. If there's lots of people still alive, extinction isn't on the cards, is it?
And making fire to boil water is a technology the pre-dates the wheel. It certainly pre-dates the widespread supply of electricity and gas.

Making a fire with what? What's the fuel?
Gee, I don't know. It's not like fuel grows on trees.

Oh, wait...

Trees? Not many of those around here and they'll be green wood, miserable fuel.
Oh, well, if you live in a place where trees are scarce, they must be scarce everywhere.

:rolleyes:
 

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And why do you assume they're all dead?
That's a defining feature of an extinction event. If there's lots of people still alive, extinction isn't on the cards, is it?
What you are missing is that most of the deaths will be due to the destruction, not the event itself.

A hell of a lot of people would die from a Carrington event even though it's unlikely to kill anyone directly.
 

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And why do you assume they're all dead?
That's a defining feature of an extinction event. If there's lots of people still alive, extinction isn't on the cards, is it?
What you are missing is that most of the deaths will be due to the destruction, not the event itself.

A hell of a lot of people would die from a Carrington event even though it's unlikely to kill anyone directly.
The question wasn't "might lots of people die".

It was "might human beings go extinct".

And the answer is "not likely".

Humans are like cockroaches; They are everywhere, and while it's easy to kill a lot of them, it's damn near impossible to kill them all.
 

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TSwizzle said:
Of course it 's a cult. These climate doomsayers are the exact same as the rapture fanatics that predict the end of the world. And just as accurate.
Whether " The whole climate crisis/emergency/apocalypse is a religion, a rapture like cult. " and whether some, or even most or all climate change activists hold their beliefs on faith, as a religion, are very different matters.
Again, it is a crisis, as it is likely to have disastrous consequences for tens millions of people: take a look at the link provided by B20, for example.

Most climate change activists, in my experience, do believe in a faith-based manner. But those are again very different matters.

TSwizzle said:
The link to a CNN report on a study that "suggests" 500,000+ people will die due to climate change? Behave yourselves.
Due to climate-change related food shortages alone. And that's not counting all the suffering involved.

That's nowhere near extinction level (how many people die per year due to infectious diseases? And extinction is nowhere near.). But it's still pretty bad.

TSwizzle said:
A rapture like cult.
Deniers of the problem also behave in a religious-like manner, for the most part.
 

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It wasn't the Mt St Helens eruption that did damage, it was the ash, pyroclastic flow, and expanding hot gases.
 
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