Derec
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They have different types of rockets in their arsenal. Some are sent from Tehran, others are made in the Strip.
You say it sarcastically, but indeed they are evil. Remember, they started this war by brutally attacking Israel.
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They are not psychopathic. They had reasons, that made sense in their situation. One of their major reasons for their decision to attack was that they (like you) foolishly believe that evil is a real thing.
In the exact same situation, you would be one of them too.
Evil is a cartoonish nonsense promoted by theists and other empathy-deficient non-thinkers to "explain" why people don't behave as they wish, without taking the trouble and effort to grasp that they are real people who have different experiences, but remain fundamentally human.
You and Bibi think Hamas are evil. Hamas think that Bibi and the IDF are evil. All of you are wrong, and until at least some of you wake up to your gross error in assessing the motivations of others, people on both sides will keep on dying.
You are also guilty of mistakenly assuming that anyone who says you are wrong, thinks your enemies are right. That's not true - you are ALL wrong. And you ALL need to grow up and accept that "evil" is not only not real, but also a seriously counterproductive concept.
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You missed it by a year. That was in 2021.
The 2020 riots were monthslong unrests triggered first by the George Floyd death although there were flareups triggered by other incidents (killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta, non-fatal shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha and suicide of murder suspect Eddie Sole in Minneapolis - that's right, even thugs killing themselves triggers #BLMers into rioting!).
There were weekslong occupations of territory (such as CHAZ in Seattle), billions in property damage and several deaths including a retired police captain in St. Louis and an 8 year old girl in Atlanta.
And yet, to the Left these were all "peaceful protests" for "racial justice". What crock!
The violence was started by Palestinians. And civilians get harmed in war. Blame Hamas for refusing to release all hostages.
Note that protesters started demanding a "ceasefire" from Israel a day after 10/7. They want Israel never to defend itself after being attacked - even after 1,200 Israelis get brutally murdered and hundreds kidnapped by terrorists.
Some do just that. Others are just useful idiots. Look at how one-sided their demands are. How devoid of any criticism for Hamas and their actions. And it is not disingenuous to point that out.
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Nazis had "reasons" too that made sense to them. And they may or may not be psychopaths under DSM5, but their actions sure are evil.
Wrong.
Bullshit. Evil is a useful descriptor of certain actions and motivations. Hamas is evil. Islamic Jihad is evil. Nazis were evil. You do not have to be a theist to recognize that.
This apologetics for Hamas and other terrorists is the worst kind of moral relativism.
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I know several universities caved to the anti-Israel creeps. Rutgers, Brown(shirt), Union Theological Seminary are some of them.
Also, a protest may be technically "peaceful" but still break the law. For example blockading access or occupying quads. Those are not acceptable tactics whether or not they are classified as "peaceful".
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More totally inane false equivalence and apologetics for Islamic terrorism. *yawn*
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Yes. Zero.
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I understand not all of the protesters are overtly pro-Hamas. Most of them are probably just useful idiots for Hamas.
I have seen none of these protesters direct any ire or demands at Hamas or other terrorists - just at Israel.
[citation needed]
The chick who was yelling "We are all Hamas, bitch" is certainly not pro-Israel. Neither are all the Arabs and Muslims who were chanting "Death to America" in Dearborn.
Do you mean me? I was just citing the slogan to show the ideological antecedent of all the "boycott and divest from Israel" demands. If the Springerstiefel fits ...
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Because Israel is leveling homes, not barracks.
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Not a realistic standard in any war.
I bet you would also object to US waging war against Nazi Germany and Japan in the 1940s because the number of dead German and Japanese children >0? Or is that unrealistic demand reserved for when Jews have to defend themselves from islamofascist terrorists?
Btw, you still owe me a reply about the tactic of harassing and terrorizing university presidents at their homes. Do you think that's a justified tactic? Do you think it would be "colluding with the far right" to punish students who engage in tactics like that?
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Hamas is using ostensibly civilian infrastructure for military purposes.
UNRWA schools too.
Fifteen terrorists killed in ‘Hamas command centre’ at Unrwa school
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I am almost two decades younger than you, but I too feel old next to a bunch of undergrads.
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You believe everything you read, I take it?
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Spoken like a true authoritarian police state fanboy.Were the zip-ties too tight? What whiney wankers!Another story from the UMass Daily Collegian on police conduct
Students allege brutal treatment by police following May 7 arrests
Many students are speaking out about their experience being arrested during the Gaza solidarity encampment on May 7, alleging injured limbs and being denied water and bathroom use.dailycollegian.com
They should be glad the cops didn't bomb their homes and kill their families, right?
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We talked about it in this thread, right here.
Video evidence can be found here.
Also, just so you don't get misled, you should know there's a pro-Zionist pro-Israel poster on this board who posts more Nazi shit than the actual pro-Nazi guy. Read with caution.
Oh, so you know about it already. Good. You won't just assume that someone shouting something offensive is representative of a nearby group. You will exercise due diligence and not conflate his/her hate speech with that of, say, a peace activist.
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Do you have any reason to doubt the veracity of the story? Other than your anti-Israel bias, of course?
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It is not "authoritarian" or "police state" for those breaking the law to be arrested. In fact, the whole point of "civil disobedience" is to get arrested, so I not not understand why these pampered UMass Amherst students were caught by surprise.
And I don't expect getting arrested is particularly pleasant experience either.
Not you too! Politesse kind of said the same thing. I will ask you too: do you think that it is appropriate tactic to harass university presidents at their homes, as happened at UMich? And should students involved in it be punished?
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So it was in poor taste, but even the twit who tweeted about it admits that it was a joke.
I wasn't shouting it. I was comparing the demands of the protestors to "divest" from Israel to the Nazi slogan. That's different.
And just because in one instance it was a counterprotestor making a tasteless joke does not mean the pro-Hamas protesters are other than they seem.
This shit has been going since the 10/7 attacks btw.
This protest, clearly supportive of the Hamas massacre in Israel, happened just one day after the massacre.
From here.
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This shit has been going since the 10/7 attacks btw.
This protest, clearly supportive of the Hamas massacre in Israel, happened just one day after the massacre.
From here.
You are correct. That non-violent protest happened after 10/7. Also, the non-standard message someone wrote "By Any Means Necessary" is deplorable and immoral.
The logical problem you and others face is that you agree with the message of "By Any Means Necessary." When it is Israelis that have been murdered and kidnapped into becoming hostages, possibly tortured and without due process as a form of asymmetrical warfare, you say this is evil, AND EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD HERE AGREES. BUT when it's the flip-side, Israeli extremists, in particular settlers or the extremist right-wing govt, killing civilians in order to free those hostages OR simply the IDF killing Palestinians in unrelated events, you excuse it. We reject the By-Any-Means-Necessary doctrine and we point this out time and time again. We say over and over Hamas is not our ally and what they do is evil, but because you are being logically inconsistent you cannot agree that there must be limits to what the extremist wing of the Israeli govt does.
I have stated and you have read those statements that there is too much association between the campus protests and the outside-of-school movements. I've said it is probably a necessary counter-point in a debate but this is difficult for you to understand because your stance is biased. When all the institutional support of the US is directed toward the Israel govt and there are signs such as "I stand with Israel," they do not have to say "By Any Means Necessary" and they do not have to say "Do more violence"--it's all implicitly there through the power structures exerted, through decades of billions of $ of buying and using bombs, through a system of castes and occupations, a lack of freedom. Do not then respond with the strawman, "Oh yeah, what about Hamas, they are tyrants!" because this is obvious and this is the crux of the problem: Each side wants to rule the so-called holy land, each side wants to be a majority and have the other be subservient. I do not make the mistake of believing that one side, Hamas, for example, is merely a resistance as they have been radicalized beyond that and are a perverse corruption of extremist religion intermingled with resistance ideology. But I also do not make the mistake of believing that particular extremist strains of Zionism that attempt to rule over the whole region by denying a Palestinian state or integration through democracy, only allowing a majority Jewish state and nothing else, led by a means of "By Any Means Necessary" can ever lead to anything else other than a caste system and by that nature will only ever perpetuate a cycle of violence.