Columbia University is colluding with the far-right in its attack on students

[Derec]

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

Israel "creates" the problem by existing. And by refusing to get "final solutioned" again.

 

[Derec]

To get back to the actual topic of the thread (anti-Israel protests), these creeps have vandalized the apartment of a Columbia University official again.

Columbia University exec's New York apartment building vandalized with red paint and crickets

 

[laughing dog]

You're presuming that Israel creates the problem. No, Iranian money creates the problem. Throw enough money at it, you'll get terrorists.

Iran enables and abets the terrorists. Israel helps create them.

 

[Derec]

Iran enables and abets the terrorists. Israel helps create them.

By existing. It's textbook victim-blaming.

 

[laughing dog]

Iran enables and abets the terrorists. Israel helps create them.

By existing. It's textbook victim-blaming.

And by its actions. Even though yiu are a master of victim-blaming, your observation is bs.

 

[ZiprHead]

If you look at the history, especially starting at the mid-40s, what you will see is a long string of violent attacks on the Jewish people by their Muslim neighbors.

Foreigners come into your property uninvited and start stealing land from the residents tends to piss people off.

When are you talking about?
Do you realize that Jewish people bought the land that became Israel from Muslims?

The Muslim military attacks after that changed the landscape a great deal. Once the Israeli army had successfully defended themselves from violent attacks they refused to give up their gains.
Tom

Even personal property of land owners? Highly doubtful. But I will await your links to prove otherwise.

 

[ZiprHead]

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

Israel "creates" the problem by existing. And by refusing to get "final solutioned" again.

Yes, all those hundreds of thousands of people whose homes were destroyed and family members killed will surely find it in their hearts a way to forgive Israelis.

 

[Elixir]

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

Israel "creates" the problem by existing. And by refusing to get "final solutioned" again.

Yes, all those hundreds of thousands of people whose homes were destroyed and family members killed will surely find it in their hearts a way to forgive Israelis.

If they do, Israelis should bow and scrape at their feet.

 

[Arctish]

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

Israel "creates" the problem by existing. And by refusing to get "final solutioned" again.

Yes, all those hundreds of thousands of people whose homes were destroyed and family members killed will surely find it in their hearts a way to forgive Israelis.

If they do, Israelis should bow and scrape at their feet.

Or at least take a page from the same playbook and stop using the abuse of their grandparents as an excuse to abuse their neighbors.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Looking at the assassination of the Hezbollah and Hamas figures, how much damage did that have on those organizations, verses the endless attacks in Gaza which have had substantial collateral damage in both lives and infrastructure?

Assassinations of those in charge is good, but it's nowhere near enough. They'll be replaced.

The Israelis are creating shit tons of replacements.

Wife beating.

You're presuming that Israel creates the problem. No, Iranian money creates the problem. Throw enough money at it, you'll get terrorists.

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

There's always some grievance that can be exploited. Look at our home grown ones--nowhere near the money but the same radicalization techniques and we get things like 1/6.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Looking at the assassination of the Hezbollah and Hamas figures, how much damage did that have on those organizations, verses the endless attacks in Gaza which have had substantial collateral damage in both lives and infrastructure?

Assassinations of those in charge is good, but it's nowhere near enough. They'll be replaced.

The Israelis are creating shit tons of replacements.

Wife beating.

You're presuming that Israel creates the problem. No, Iranian money creates the problem. Throw enough money at it, you'll get terrorists.

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

There's always some grievance that can be exploited. Look at our home grown ones--nowhere near the money but the same radicalization techniques and we get things like 1/6.

Except those people are white collar middle to upper middle class people.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you look at the history, especially starting at the mid-40s, what you will see is a long string of violent attacks on the Jewish people by their Muslim neighbors.

Foreigners come into your property uninvited and start stealing land from the residents tends to piss people off.

Uppity blacks come into your cities and stealing white people's houses. Lynch them!

(It's the same thing--the Jews quit accepting their status as Muslim punching bags.)

 

[Arctish]

If you look at the history, especially starting at the mid-40s, what you will see is a long string of violent attacks on the Jewish people by their Muslim neighbors.

Foreigners come into your property uninvited and start stealing land from the residents tends to piss people off.

Uppity blacks come into your cities and stealing white people's houses. Lynch them!

(It's the same thing--the Jews quit accepting their status as Muslim punching bags.)

Support your claim Jews were Muslim punching bags.

Keep in mind that relations between Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, and other religious communities in the region were so peaceful in the centuries before the fall of the Ottoman Empire that every time you've tried to show Palestinians mistreating Jews you've had to start talking about 'Arabs' living thousands of miles away to find anything of the sort.

Also keep in mind the several occasions Jews were sheltered by their Muslim neighbors when riots broke out after the British took control, and the times Jews sheltered their Muslim neighbors when Zionist terrorists attacked.

Also, I know you know David Ben-Gurion explicitly said the Palestinians were not to blame for the mistreatment of Jews, and strongly implied it was stupid to blame them for the suffering that motivated Zionists to seize part of the Middle East for a Jewish State, so don't feign ignorance. It's dishonest.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No. Iranian money funds the problem. Israel creates the problem that Iran funds.

If you look at the history, especially starting at the mid-40s, what you will see is a long string of violent attacks on the Jewish people by their Muslim neighbors.

I think that they've largely given up on making peace with their neighbors other than at gunpoint. That's all that has worked for decades.
Tom

If you go back a mere 10 more years you will find a string of violent attacks carried out by Zionist terrorists in the Irgun and Lehi. If you look at who was leading those organizations you will find men who became Prime Ministers of Israel.

And if you go back even farther you're find the norm of the world, especially the Muslim part, was occasionally using the Jews as punching bags. You keep trying to pretend the Ottomans weren't like that but that doesn't make it so.

If you look at more than just the cherry picked parts of history that support your claim, you will find centuries of peaceful coexistence between Palestinians of various religious faiths before European Zionists stirred shit up with their colonizing and declarations they would create a State just for Jews in a place where Jews had been a rather small minority since the Crusades.

You will find Jews treated like blacks in the Jim Crow era though a lot of history.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you look at the history, especially starting at the mid-40s, what you will see is a long string of violent attacks on the Jewish people by their Muslim neighbors.

Foreigners come into your property uninvited and start stealing land from the residents tends to piss people off.

When are you talking about?
Do you realize that Jewish people bought the land that became Israel from Muslims?

The Muslim military attacks after that changed the landscape a great deal. Once the Israeli army had successfully defended themselves from violent attacks they refused to give up their gains.
Tom

Even personal property of land owners? Highly doubtful. But I will await your links to prove otherwise.

Reality:

The Arabs encouraged a lot of Muslims to get out of the way of the coming war, expecting to return victorious and take over the Jewish lands also. Oops, they lost. And they refused to accept that they lost--they would not agree to being peaceful as a condition for return. Thus they were not allowed to return. Too bad, that's self-inflicted in my book.

 

[laughing dog]

There's always some grievance that can be exploited.

Neither nor more ironic words have been spoken.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Support your claim Jews were Muslim punching bags.

Keep in mind that relations between Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, and other religious communities in the region were so peaceful in the centuries before the fall of the Ottoman Empire that every time you've tried to show Palestinians mistreating Jews you've had to start talking about 'Arabs' living thousands of miles away to find anything of the sort.

The problem is that it was simply the norm, not news. What evidence we do have treats it not remarkable. Why would that be if they were actually one-off events?

What evidence do you have of blacks being lynched in Jim Crow?

 

[laughing dog]

Support your claim Jews were Muslim punching bags.

Keep in mind that relations between Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, and other religious communities in the region were so peaceful in the centuries before the fall of the Ottoman Empire that every time you've tried to show Palestinians mistreating Jews you've had to start talking about 'Arabs' living thousands of miles away to find anything of the sort.

The problem is that it was simply the norm, not news. What evidence we do have treats it not remarkable. Why would that be if they were actually one-off events?

What evidence do you have of blacks being lynched in Jim Crow?

Really, that indicates a real ignorance of US history.  List_of_lynching_victims_in_the_United_States has a list with a description of the lynching. In most cases, there were witnesses.

I suspect that list is a partial list. But it still strong evidence.

It is your turn now.

 

[Arctish]

If you look at the history, especially starting at the mid-40s, what you will see is a long string of violent attacks on the Jewish people by their Muslim neighbors.

Foreigners come into your property uninvited and start stealing land from the residents tends to piss people off.

When are you talking about?
Do you realize that Jewish people bought the land that became Israel from Muslims?

The Muslim military attacks after that changed the landscape a great deal. Once the Israeli army had successfully defended themselves from violent attacks they refused to give up their gains.
Tom

Even personal property of land owners? Highly doubtful. But I will await your links to prove otherwise.

Reality:

The Arabs encouraged a lot of Muslims to get out of the way of the coming war, expecting to return victorious and take over the Jewish lands also. Oops, they lost. And they refused to accept that they lost--they would not agree to being peaceful as a condition for return. Thus they were not allowed to return. Too bad, that's self-inflicted in my book.

Reality: you have been provided links to the work of actual historians for years, and you have nevertheless persisted in posting the same historically inaccurate, bullshit dogma.

Here is a link to one of our many previous discussions. The embedded link to Ilan Pappe's article no longer works, so here is a new link to excerpts from his book The 1948 Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

Here is a link to another previous discussion where you made your usual bullshit claims about the Lausanne Conference. The old link to a part of Benny Morris' book, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, still functions.

I have also provided you with links to Neil Caplan's thorough examination of the 1949 Lausanne Conference on several occasions. Here is a link to an article about his book. You can buy a copy from Syracuse Press for just $5.00.

I really think you should take some time to read what historians have uncovered about the history of the conflict before making more baseless assertions about it.

 

[lpetrich]

Catching up.

Netanyahu in Washington sparks wave of protests, multiple arrests | AP News - 5:28 PM PDT, July 24, 2024

Thousands of protesters against the war in Gaza converged on Washington on Wednesday to condemn Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit, chanting “Free, free Palestine” as they marched toward the Capitol before police deployed pepper spray on some in the crowd.

Demonstrators calling for an end to the war that has killed more than 39,000 Palestinians filled several blocks as they weaved through the streets of the nation’s capital carrying Palestinian flags and signs with messages such as “arrest Netanyahu” and “end all U.S. aid to Israel.” Outside Washington’s Union Station, protesters removed American flags and hoisted Palestinian ones in their place to massive cheers in the crowd.

“Bibi, Bibi, We’re not done! The intifada has just begun!” protesters shouted, referring to Netanyahu by his nickname. “Netanyahu, you can’t hide. You’re committing genocide,” other protesters shouted.

Photos of the 'Violent' Anti-Netanyahu Protests in D.C. | TIME - July 25, 2024 1:19 PM EDT

Protesters also spray painted graffiti on a monument to Christopher Columbus and an adjacent Liberty Bell replica, including the words “Hamas is coming” and "All Zionists are bastards."

Referring to Ben Netanyahu making his speech before Congress,

As he defended Israel’s offensive against Hamas, demonstrators a couple blocks away carried signs denouncing his visit and calling for an end to what they perceive as unwavering American support for Israeli military actions. “We need to be out here. We need to say, ‘Not in our name’,” Irene Ippolito, a protester, is quoted as telling Al Jazeera. “As American citizens, we have to realize that this could not be taking place without our taxpayer dollars sending tons of weapons to Israel as it slaughters men, women and children in Gaza.”

Police blocked demonstrators from getting close to the Capitol where Netanyahu was speaking. But some demonstrators attempted to block traffic and disrupt Netanyahu's motorcade route, chanting messages such as: "Not another nickel, not another dime. No more money for Israel's crimes." Protesters blocking traffic were turned away by officers.