"Coronavirus and the US" or "We are all going to die!!!!"

[southernhybrid]

The CDC is behind the times. There appear to be actual cases from frozen food.

Loren, could you link us to the evidence that supports this.

I stopped wiping everything down and waiting days before I touch things. I feel like hand washing after handling the mail and packages should be enough. I'm mostly concerned about getting to close to people in stores, but since we only go to the grocery store twice a week very early in the morning, it's not really a problem. There are usually less than 5 people in the entire store at that hour and they are wearing masks. My two favorite stores have all the aisles marked one way and the employees diligently wipe down surfaces.

I've been a few other places that were necessary, but never got close to anyone. I think I'm reasonable but don't want to become neurotic over a pandemic that might last another year or more. I wish the idiots in my town who go out to eat would stop. Restaurants are one of the common places where people become infected, along with bars, churches and parties. I do visit my neighbor but she only goes to the doctor and I pick up groceries for her. She's already tested negative three times as she worries a lot. She's the only other person I see besides my husband.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The CDC is behind the times. There appear to be actual cases from frozen food.

Loren, could you link us to the evidence that supports this.

International transport, not frozen food in the home.

I stopped wiping everything down and waiting days before I touch things. I feel like hand washing after handling the mail and packages should be enough. I'm mostly concerned about getting to close to people in stores, but since we only go to the grocery store twice a week very early in the morning, it's not really a problem. There are usually less than 5 people in the entire store at that hour and they are wearing masks. My two favorite stores have all the aisles marked one way and the employees diligently wipe down surfaces.

Marked one way unfortunately doesn't mean good compliance. I don't think it's better than 90% compliance here despite being in a reasonably hot area.

I've been a few other places that were necessary, but never got close to anyone. I think I'm reasonable but don't want to become neurotic over a pandemic that might last another year or more. I wish the idiots in my town who go out to eat would stop. Restaurants are one of the common places where people become infected, along with bars, churches and parties. I do visit my neighbor but she only goes to the doctor and I pick up groceries for her. She's already tested negative three times as she worries a lot. She's the only other person I see besides my husband.

Yeah, restaurants and especially bars are a horrible idea these days.

 

[angelo]

The complacency here in sunny Perth WA still amazes me. Every day I see people shaking hands, men/women hugging and pecks on the cheek is dicing with death I feel.

As this article makes clear. It's not just the elderly that are in danger. .........................................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/?arc404=true

 

[George S]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08...-rise-of-medical-technocracy-lee-merritt-m-d/
1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

 

[southernhybrid]

The complacency here in sunny Perth WA still amazes me. Every day I see people shaking hands, men/women hugging and pecks on the cheek is dicing with death I feel.

As this article makes clear. It's not just the elderly that are in danger. .........................................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/?arc404=true

I remember reading that article when it came out in early July.

Of course, this virus doesn't only impact older adults. We had a 15 year old with no underlying conditions die in Georgia last week. It's just that statistically, it's a lot more dangerous for older adults and the majority of those who have died have been over 70. Obesity has been found to be one of the most risky underlying conditions for serious complication or death. And, even those who do survive, often have heart, lung or kidney damage.

I think people in Georgia are beginning to be more careful, but unfortunately, it's very politicized here. Republicans tend not to believe how serious this illness can be, while Democrats are sometimes going to the opposite extremes. Most of the stores here require masks but there is no way to enforce that, due to the potential for abuse to the employees. It's happened a few times so the stores no longer force their employees to enforce the mask rule. They just put up signs that say that masks are required.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The complacency here in sunny Perth WA still amazes me. Every day I see people shaking hands, men/women hugging and pecks on the cheek is dicing with death I feel.

As this article makes clear. It's not just the elderly that are in danger. .........................................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/?arc404=true

I take reasonable precautions. I do shake hands and have a short embrace with people I trust and whom I know take the same precautions as I do. And I do wash my hands often and keep them from my face. If I had an underlying condition I would take more precautions. Restaurants are still on the menu and I enjoy an outing with friends about once a week.

So far so good. There are people I know who have not left their homes in months. Everything is delivered and they are scrupulous about cleaning and disinfecting. If I have to live that way it would be like being warehoused in a home with all the old people. Definitely not my cup of tea.

We will continue to take all the reasonable precautions knowing that if we get infected it was not because we were of the hoaxer mentality. We ride our bikes a lot, take walks, and do see people putting masks on as we approach. I think that is going too far but if that is their preference I certainly have no objections. If we go into stores or wherever masks are required we put ours on as well. No problem.

If everyone acted as we do the situation would be under control.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08...-rise-of-medical-technocracy-lee-merritt-m-d/
1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

As for #1: Where did you get this from? The only data I can find with rates that low for any demographic are zeroes--which prove nothing.

As for #2: We are only beginning to see studies on the case reduction from areas that mandate masks. Deaths lag cases, it's too early to see such data. The absence of data isn't evidence of absence.

 

[ronburgundy]

1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

What pathetic garbage. .05% of the US population has already died from COVID (five times what your number claims). More importantly, 5.8% of the US infection cases that have been resolved have resulted in death. Only half the infected people have actually recovered, and many of the remaining non-recovered half will die. To count people who have not even been infected yet as "survivors" is absurd, especially since some of them will get infected and die. Then there is the fact that for every death there are numerous people whose lifespan has been notably shorten and lifelong health greatly damaged by everything from lost limbs, blindness, every type of organ damage, cardiac damage, cardiovascular damage, etc..

And mask very likely do impact death rate. First, they slow transmission and thereby prevent extreme exponential spikes that can cause extra deaths due to overwhelmed healthcare systems. Also, influenza severity and probability of death is affected by how much of the virus the infected person was initially exposed to (viral load). It is highly plausible that COVID operates this way, which means that even when a mask allows some viral particles through resulting in an infection, the viral load will be greatly reduced and the illness severity decreased. The use of masks could very easily be one of the reasons why there appear to be an increase in less severe and asymptomatic cases and a decrease in cases needed hospitalization.

 

[ronburgundy]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08...-rise-of-medical-technocracy-lee-merritt-m-d/
1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

As for #1: Where did you get this from? The only data I can find with rates that low for any demographic are zeroes--which prove nothing.

As for #2: We are only beginning to see studies on the case reduction from areas that mandate masks. Deaths lag cases, it's too early to see such data. The absence of data isn't evidence of absence.

He is mindlessly reposting a dishonestly computed "survival rate" that divides the total deaths to date by the total human population, despite the fact that many in the population are still infected and will die, and many who haven't been infected will be and some will die. It's a meme being spread by the Trump cult and their bot army. "Survival" means you experienced it and lived, so the denominator should include only those who have been infected and are now completely free of the infection. That rate is actually 94% for the US, b/c 6% of the "resolved" cases have been deaths, plus another unknown by sizable % of those "survivors" did not survive fully in tact and will suffer their whole life and die prematurely.

 

[bilby]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08...-rise-of-medical-technocracy-lee-merritt-m-d/
1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

As for #1: Where did you get this from? The only data I can find with rates that low for any demographic are zeroes--which prove nothing.

As for #2: We are only beginning to see studies on the case reduction from areas that mandate masks. Deaths lag cases, it's too early to see such data. The absence of data isn't evidence of absence.

He is mindlessly reposting a dishonestly computed "survival rate" that divides the total deaths to date by the total human population, despite the fact that many in the population are still infected and will die, and many who haven't been infected will be and some will die. It's a meme being spread by the Trump cult and their bot army. "Survival" means you experienced it and lived, so the denominator should include only those who have been infected and are now completely free of the infection. That rate is actually 94% for the US, b/c 6% of the "resolved" cases have been deaths, plus another unknown by sizable % of those "survivors" did not survive fully in tact and will suffer their whole life and die prematurely.

Information from wattsupwiththat is as reliable as that from The Onion, but not as funny.

Quoting either source as though it were useful or informative is a solid indication that the poster is utterly clueless, and deserving of ridicule.

 

[angelo]

Total
Worldwide
Confirmed
22.4M
Recovered
14.3M
Deaths
788K
Location Confirmed Recovered Deaths
United States
United States
5.61M
+43,798
2.85M
175K
+1,369
Brazil
Brazil
3.46M
+49,298
2.62M
111K
+1,212
India
India
2.84M
+64,531
2.1M
53,866
+1,092
Russia
Russia
942K
+4,828
756K
16,099
+117
South Africa
South Africa
596K
+3,916
491K
12,423
+159

Out of those 14 million odd recovered, how many have major organ damage, therefore a shortened lifespan.

From Google search by the way is why the figures seem garbled.

 

[barbos]

Lots of countries are having second outbreak, France, Spain, Belgium, Australia.

 

[George S]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08...-rise-of-medical-technocracy-lee-merritt-m-d/
1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

(1) is found at https://youtu.be/sjYvitCeMPc?t=541 It is total chance of survival, not survival if you get it.
(2) is found at https://youtu.be/sjYvitCeMPc?t=929 thru to minute 60.

You may not believe her. That's your right, but this is in fact what this doctor said.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08...-rise-of-medical-technocracy-lee-merritt-m-d/
1) For a random person they only have a 99.99% of survival.
2) Masks don't help the death rate.

(1) is found at https://youtu.be/sjYvitCeMPc?t=541 It is total chance of survival, not survival if you get it.
(2) is found at https://youtu.be/sjYvitCeMPc?t=929 thru to minute 60.

You may not believe her. That's your right, but this is in fact what this doctor said.

Just the screen that came up on the first link before I started to play it is quite enough to show that he needs a big dose of Ex-Lax.

99.99% survival assumes everyone has been infected and died/recovered, the pandemic has run it's course.

<Picks up gun, shoots at George>
1ms later: What's the problem? Why are you concerned about my shooting you? Obviously you're fine!

 

[George S]

A surprisingly neutral, factual view of masks:
https://youtu.be/MVcdyPf5mKQ

 

[Treedbear]

A surprisingly neutral, factual view of masks:
https://youtu.be/MVcdyPf5mKQ

It tries to come across as neutral but basically says correctly wearing a proper mask helps to control the spread of COVID19. Check out the cases mentioned around minute 12.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Quoting/posting youtube videos is not a good way to enhance your attempts at credibility.

Just sayin'.

 

[George S]

A surprisingly neutral, factual view of masks:
https://youtu.be/MVcdyPf5mKQ

It tries to come across as neutral but basically says correctly wearing a proper mask helps to control the spread of COVID19. Check out the cases mentioned around minute 12.

By neutral I meant that he seemed to have no agenda for or against but shows the data and lets us draw the conclusion that masks are quite appropriate for someone indoors or in a crowd.

 

[Treedbear]

A surprisingly neutral, factual view of masks:
https://youtu.be/MVcdyPf5mKQ

It tries to come across as neutral but basically says correctly wearing a proper mask helps to control the spread of COVID19. Check out the cases mentioned around minute 12.

By neutral I meant that he seemed to have no agenda for or against but shows the data and lets us draw the conclusion that masks are quite appropriate for someone indoors or in a crowd.

True, it strikes a neutral tenor. If I knew someone who was hostile to the idea of wearing a mask this might help.

 

[angelo]

Lots of countries are having second outbreak, France, Spain, Belgium, Australia.

In Australia only the Socialist Republic Of Victoria, and a somewhat small cluster in NSW. Otherwise WA, SA, NT and Tasmania have had no second wave.............yet!