Covid-19 miscellany

[bilby]

Let's go Brandon!

Whats this about?

US conservatives have zero qualms about being total fucking cunts, but believe that thay remain good people as long as they never say words on the naughty list, like 'fuck' or 'cunt'.

So they use a set of euphemisms that allow them to say 'fuck Joe Biden', without actually saying 'fuck', so that their God, who is too fucking stupid to understand their meaning, and who doesn't mind at all that they behave like a bunch of cunts as long as they avoid rude words, won't get offended and send them to hell.

This is an excellent demonstration of their hypocrisy, and of the illogic of their position.

Better still, they genuinely believe that "the libs" get upset about their saying 'lets go Brandon', because "the libs" love Joe Biden. They don't do nuance, so it's impossible for them to grasp that a) "the libs" are not upset, they are just pointing out the hypocrisy and stupidity of their actions; and b) "the libs" mostly don't much like Joe Biden, because unlike the conservatives, they aren't insane tribal loyalists.

And it goes without saying that the insane tribalists on the American right would nail their testicles to the ceiling with a rusty six-inch nail if they thought for a second that doing so might upset "the libs".

So, in summary, "Lets go Brandon" is a phrase used as a tribal totem, in the pathetic belief that a wanton display of cowardice will cause their political opponents to become unhappy - despite the fact that causing misery isn't laudable as a goal, and that even if it were, it couldn't be achieved in this way.

It's a badge of stupidity, and a warning to others to expect both ignorance and cruelty from its user.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And it goes without saying that the insane tribalists on the American right would nail their testicles to the ceiling with a rusty six-inch nail if they thought for a second that doing so might upset "the libs".

Just to be clear, that'd really make me upset. Indescribably upset!

The funniest thing about the "Let's Go Brandon" thing is that the Joe Biden Administration, much like the Obama Administration, has been pretty much bland and without controversy, making the rallying cry seem hollow. I mean, what are they going to do and say if Biden actually did something wrong?

 

[Keith&Co.]

And it goes without saying that the insane tribalists on the American right would nail their testicles to the ceiling with a rusty six-inch nail if they thought for a second that doing so might upset "the libs".

Just to be clear, that'd really make me upset. Indescribably upset!

I might cry in public. I'd certainly be scared to vote.

 

[crazyfingers]

And it goes without saying that the insane tribalists on the American right would nail their testicles to the ceiling with a rusty six-inch nail if they thought for a second that doing so might upset "the libs".

Just to be clear, that'd really make me upset. Indescribably upset!

I'd be really owned if they did that. Tell them so.

 

[repoman]

Molnupiravir got passed by a narrow 13-10 margin. The way that it works by making the virus have very faulty transcription seems like a way to make more variants, especially in people who don't take the full course.

Also, at least Merck will get their promised $1.2 billion contract fulfilled.

Thanks for your studied opinion on the subject.

NYT article
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/health/merck-covid-pill-pregnancy-risk.html

title:

Merck’s Covid Pill Might Pose Risks for Pregnant Women​

Some laboratory studies suggest that molnupiravir can insert errors in DNA, which could in theory harm a developing fetus, sperm cells or children.

Intro:

A new Covid-19 pill from Merck has raised hopes that it could transform the landscape of treatment options for Americans at high risk of severe disease at a time when the Omicron variant of the coronavirus is driving a surge of cases in highly vaccinated European countries.
But two weeks after a Food and Drug Administration expert committee narrowly voted to recommend authorizing the drug, known as molnupiravir, the F.D.A. is still weighing Merck’s application. Among the biggest questions facing regulators is whether the drug, in the course of wreaking havoc on the virus’s genes, also has the potential to cause mutations in human DNA.
Scientists are especially worried about pregnant women, they said, because the drug could affect a fetus’s dividing cells, theoretically causing birth defects. Members of the F.D.A. expert committee expressed those same concerns during a public meeting on Nov. 30.

I have an archive of it, but that may be against the TOS of this board, so I won't post unless that is ok.

Also this



And these


I make no claim to the effectiveness of Ivermectin for covid, but is a safe, non-mutagenic drug at human sized doses

 

[Keith&Co.]

Let's go Brandon!

Whats this about?

US conservatives have zero qualms about being total fucking cunts, but believe that thay remain good people as long as they never say words on the naughty list, like 'fuck' or 'cunt'.

And they can't be held responsible for words they don't actually use, even if their whole point depends on understanding the unspoken message.

My grandmother was a master at this. She never USED the word 'whore' but she got Mom and Sister almost to suicide for the word everyone else understood her to be saying. But if anyone took her to task for ruining Easter Dinner she would be honestly convinced she was beyond reproach.

 

[barbos]

I keep going back to my idea of total lock-down.
Why not select one small country in Europe and pay them money for 2 week total lock-down and see what happens?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I keep going back to my idea of total lock-down.
Why not select one small country in Europe and pay them money for 2 week total lock-down and see what happens?

We don't need to do that. Australia and New Zealand were those models. But in Europe and North America, cases are too high for two-weeks. The time to fix this was over a year ago. "We" failed because "FREE TO BE DUMB!!!!".

 

[barbos]

I keep going back to my idea of total lock-down.
Why not select one small country in Europe and pay them money for 2 week total lock-down and see what happens?

We don't need to do that. Australia and New Zealand were those models. But in Europe and North America, cases are too high for two-weeks. The time to fix this was over a year ago. "We" failed because "FREE TO BE DUMB!!!!".

No, Australia have never had high and sustained infection rate to contrast to. And there were no total lock-down there. China would be better example of that but who knows about China?

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

 

[TSwizzle]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[barbos]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, I remember. And nothing went wrong in China. In fact, everything went right there, it seems.

And I am not suggesting US, I suggest European country. US is a basket case.

 

[TSwizzle]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, I remember. And nothing went wrong in China, in fact everything went right there it seems.

You're not proposing an experiment at all, you know the results of such measures. You are proposing that a European country temporarily adopt Chinse/Nazi style totalitarian measures for a couple of weeks. Then these measure will be rolled out across the rest of Europe. Temporarily of course because we know how easy it is to roll these things back.

Left wing authoritarians love this shit.

 

[barbos]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, I remember. And nothing went wrong in China, in fact everything went right there it seems.

You're not proposing an experiment at all, you know the results of such measures. You are proposing that a European country temporarily adopt Chinse/Nazi style totalitarian measures for a couple of weeks. Then these measure will be rolled out across the rest of Europe. Temporarily of course because we know how easy it is to roll these things back.

Left wing authoritarians love this shit.

I am not left wing and would love 2 weeks nazi style total lock-down.

 

[TSwizzle]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, I remember. And nothing went wrong in China, in fact everything went right there it seems.

You're not proposing an experiment at all, you know the results of such measures. You are proposing that a European country temporarily adopt Chinse/Nazi style totalitarian measures for a couple of weeks. Then these measure will be rolled out across the rest of Europe. Temporarily of course because we know how easy it is to roll these things back.

Left wing authoritarians love this shit.

I am not left wing and would love 2 weeks nazi style total lock-down.

You certainly sound like it.

 

[barbos]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, I remember. And nothing went wrong in China, in fact everything went right there it seems.

You're not proposing an experiment at all, you know the results of such measures. You are proposing that a European country temporarily adopt Chinse/Nazi style totalitarian measures for a couple of weeks. Then these measure will be rolled out across the rest of Europe. Temporarily of course because we know how easy it is to roll these things back.

Left wing authoritarians love this shit.

I am not left wing and would love 2 weeks nazi style total lock-down.

You certainly sound like it.

You went to the Moon on a nazi rocket.

 

[barbos]

Speaking of basket case. I think it's possible to conduct my experiment in freedom loving US state. It just has to be stand your ground state. Allow anyone shoot anyone outside for duration of the experiment because .... stand your ground

 

[Swammerdami]

Let's go Brandon!

Whats this about?

US conservatives have zero qualms about being total fucking cunts, but believe that thay remain good people as long as they never say words on the naughty list, like 'fuck' or 'cunt'.
...
So, in summary, "Lets go Brandon" is a phrase used as a tribal totem, in the pathetic belief that a wanton display of cowardice will cause their political opponents to become unhappy - despite the fact that causing misery isn't laudable as a goal, and that even if it were, it couldn't be achieved in this way.

It's a badge of stupidity, and a warning to others to expect both ignorance and cruelty from its user.

"US conservatives"?

The late Clinton Rossiter, distinguished political scientist, singles out George Washington, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Marshall, Daniel Webster, John C. Calhoun, Elihu Root, Teddy Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Robert A. Taft, Charles E. Hughes, and Dwight D. Eisenhower as some of the greatest American conservatives. Did they have potty mouths like a 12-year old gang-banger who's been sniffing too much glue? Even more recent right-wingers like Milton Friedman, Wm. F. Buckley, Jr., Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were at least continent, whatever their other faults.

These days, I realize, there are some potty mouths hosting shows on FoxNews or even serving in Congress, but why the need to desecrate real American conservatives, if there still are any?

My real question was: Why does an intelligent member of the Infidels associate this phrase with his profile? Is it some subtle sarcasm? Does he think this is the way to "own the libs"?

 

[ZiprHead]

What I say is that, relatively short but total and simultaneous lock-down could eliminate this virus. I am talking about 2 weeks probably even less than that attempt.
All you need to do is prepare for it (food and supplies for 2 weeks) and then execute it nazi style. Only 2 weeks.
My understanding Delta is pretty short time infection unless you go to hospital.
And Omicron is even shorter than Delta.

Explicit experiment within one small country could change people's minds about it.

Ah yes, I remember the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit we were fed almost two years ago. The "temporary" emergency powers that were enacted constantly enacted. "Nazi style" hey? What could possibly go wrong?

Nazis have never been about saving lives.

 

[jab]

I am at a point where I will no longer work for a company/employer that I cannot trust, as I am past minimum retirement age too. So I understand perfectly your reasoning.

I can’t help but wonder how much of the employee shortfall is due to good workers refusing to work for an employer they don’t trust, or employers who don’t care how much their employees are endangered by working in unsafe conditions. I suspect this might be more the cause than the popular notions that vaccine mandates and stimulus money are the cause of not enough workers being available.

Ruth

I have questioned that too for quite a while now. Some industry claims that requiring vaccination will make it harder to fill open positions. I wonder if the lack of an employee vaccine requirement may be keeping even more people away. Even health care. If I was a health care worker i would NOT take a job where vaccination was not required

It's important to remember that vaccination isn't the primary issue with antivaxxers. They've all been vaccinated for other things. They all use seat belts and obey traffic signals, even drive on the right side of the road. Imagine that! Amazing! Their inability to recognize their antivaxxer idiocy is a symptom, the causes of which could fill every library on the planet. Having a rational, dispassionate discussion with one reveals that they lack the ability to recognize their inconsistent behavior. Maybe Dunning Kruger is the real reason. That's where I'd put my money.

No, no, earlier in the thread, several posters, (including one who otherwise insists on rigorous scientific evidence for claims about Covid, about masking, about vaccines, and about the flu) have), have used anecdotal evidence and perhaps some reading of news reports, and have demonstrated that many anti-vaxxers are intelligent folks. This same poster roundly ignored an apparently rigorous study, posted on this forum, that showed anti-vaxxers tend towards sociopathy. So maybe with the intelligent ones it's not so much Dunning-Kruger, as a sociopathic fuck-it mindset: a scintillating lack of empathy and recklessness.

Actually, what you call "anecdotal evidence" is in this case decisive, as one is to assess whether all anti-vaccers are stupid/not intelligent people. Certainly, that is not so, regardless of whether anti-vaccers are more likely to be less intelligent, all other things equal. As to whether they are more likely to be psychopaths all other things equal, that is not relevant with respect to how intelligent or unintelligent they are. By the way, also it is not true that all anti-vaccers have been vaccinated against other things. Some have, and some have not. Most have, but they are only anti-Covid-vaccers. The (intelligent) Greek guy I mentioned before has not, as far as I can tell, gotten any vaccines (as an adult, anyway), though he also does not eat processed foods, avoids other medicines, etc., so more than an anti-vaccer he seems like an anti-modern-tech-in-the-body kind of guy.

intelligent people can be sociopaths.

Sure. And they can be non-sociopaths too. You say "So maybe with the intelligent ones it's not so much Dunning-Kruger, as a sociopathic fuck-it mindset: a scintillating lack of empathy and recklessness.", but there is no good reason to believe that all or even most intelligent anti-vaccers are like that. Again, think of intelligent Christians, Muslims, Marxists, etc. Plenty of intelligent people fall for religious/ideological nonsense.

A scientific study cited earlier in the thread, and referred to in my first and dealing with Covid anti's purported to establish they had sociopathic traits. In the same post you quote, I wrote "an apparently rigorous study, posted on this forum, that showed anti-vaxxers tend towards sociopathy. " I invite you to check out the study please, and reframe your present, cherry-picked responses accordingly. You are studiously avoiding looking at this response.

 

[Elixir]

Also I think highly vaccinated countries could have high infection rates because a lot of vaccinated show no symptoms while infected and infectious.

That's possible, but not necessarily a big problem.

Conversely, unvaccinated countries could have very low infection rates because so many of them are DEAD.