Keith&Co said:
No, i really cannot.
I stood security guard for nuclear weapons for a long time, thinking about this. I can come up with scenarios where i can say with assurance who WILL die, but not sure if i can judge on 'deserve.'
Of course, many times you do not have sufficient information to ascertain whether a person deserves to die. That's not what I'm saying. You do have a means of ascertaining whether a punishment is deserved. Because you are human, and humans can do that (all other things equal, etc., i.e., in the sense that you have 2 eyes because you're human and humans have 2 eyes, which is not to say that all humans do, but that normally humans do and you do not have any particular impairment on the matter).
Keith&Co said:
And it's a moral choice, to me, to not claim i know who 'deserves' to die for the beliefs thry have swallowed by years of msnipulative assholes' dfforts.
It's a moral choice whether to say what your assessment is. But you still assess that someone deserves to die, or that they do not, or that you lack sufficient info. And in this case, no, no one deserves to die just for swallowing beliefs. They might because of their choices - imagine a serial killer who likes to kidnap women, rape them, and then kill them, all for fun. Don't you reckon he deserves to be executed?
Keith&Co said:
A number of cops shootings seem to argue against this conclusion.
Do you think the cops in question reckon that the people they shoot at
deserve to be shot at, rather than reckoning that they are a
threat? In other words, do you think they are shooting as a punishment, not as a means of defense - however mistaken?
In any case, granting that they make a mistaken assessment for the sake of the argument, the evidence they provide is too weak. Moral disagreement is salient. In nearly all cases, we make assessments of right and wrong properly, or else we would be fighting on the streets and at home at every turn and could not live as a social species.
Keith&Co said:
Thus, i decided i was at the Entry Control Point to assess adherance to policy, not moral values. Hell, i pointed nuclear weapons at my own planet. How could i say anyone wishing to inflict violence on me was not morally correct?
Morally correct? Do you mean someone who wished to inflict violence on you due to a moral motivation? I strongly suspect a mistaken moral assessment on your part here - though even then, you
are making a moral assessment
-, but probably due to a mistaken assessment about non-moral matters upon which you base your assessment. But I offer to give you a more detailed response if you give me an example of a hypothetical person wishing to inflict violence on you - including their motivation and the evidence available to them.
Keith&Co said:
I just hoped i'd never have to use any of my weapons.
That was good of you
, but I'd like to stress the expression 'have to use' here. What do you mean by 'have to'? If you had been ordered to fire (luckily you were not), it is not the case you would have had to fire. It is the case that you would have had to choose whether to obey the order. And you would have made a moral assessment, very probably, before acting one way or another. And no, the moral assessment would not have been whether the people on the other side deserved to be killed for some of their actions. Surely, nearly all of them did not (easy assessment for me to make), though in any case, you would not be firing in order to punish them.
Keith&Co said:
Where does 'punishment' keep coming from?
Punishment comes from the concept of what is
deserved, which was in the posts I was replying to.
Keith&Co said:
We're all just facing the consequences of covidiot choices.
Sure, but that's not the same thing.
Keith&Co said:
Not getting vaccinated AND not masking AND not staying home if they're sick. And if they went on TV and counseled others to disregard the plague, it's funnier. And of they had a temper tantrum on the editorial page, or at the statehouse, or on Joe Rogan's show, or at the pulpit, funnier still...
It's more like tragic, not comic. Due to repeated failures of rationality, people end up suffering and dying - those whose brain failed, and many others.
Keith&Co said:
Never said it was a punishment.
Not sure why this is a point you're making.
Because in that case, it is not deserved. You deserve a reward or a punishment, or generally being treated in a certain manner by a person. But not a mindless action of a mindless virus. That just happens.
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