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One of the things here is that conservatives are screaming that AOC is a hypocrite that she has "rules for thee not for me," etc. But interestingly, if you look closely at the words, they keep saying she was "at" a bar. Note the word "at" is not the word "in." She was outside with her boyfriend/husband and later on outside at a drag bar. There was a tent-like roof with tables and chairs but no walls. So there was open air flow. In NYC, there is no mandate stating people have to mask up when outside, but moreover, this is exactly what conservatives have been screaming about in other instances: that crazy liberals are masking up when outside. So, she's actually being kind of reasonably moderate--for wearing masks inside but not wearing them outside. But, conservatives are screaming she is for "mask mandates" but is not wearing a mask missing the exact nuance they scream about in other instances. Isn't that weird??

So here is some context, from back in May:
"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says she will continue to wear a face mask despite being fully vaccinated because 'NYC got hit so hard that I think some of us are going to take time adjusting as we feel comfortable.'​
Ocasio-Cortez, a progressive Democrat from New York, told her followers on Instagram that 'if you want to keep wearing your mask then do it.'​
'Personally I'm going to keep wearing my mask in shared indoor public spaces like elevators, subway, grocery store, etc.,' she said."​
Wait... are you insinuating that the British tabloid The Daily Mail was in error?!

*pauses to catch breath*
Conservolibertarians, Twitler wannabes, and other assorted Qarens are going nuts over this on social media and conservative mainstream media is also all over it. It goes way beyond just the Daily Mail...and there doesn't seem to be any fact checking or nuance mentioned in standard liberal press. It's bad enough that these lunatics were screaming how masks are sex toys and mask mandates are just like the Holocaust, but they can't seem to just take a moment to calm down and ask themselves how rational they are being. Or do they actually know it makes no sense and they are just trying to steamroll the Democrats?
 
One of the things here is that conservatives are screaming that AOC is a hypocrite that she has "rules for thee not for me," etc. But interestingly, if you look closely at the words, they keep saying she was "at" a bar. Note the word "at" is not the word "in." She was outside with her boyfriend/husband and later on outside at a drag bar. There was a tent-like roof with tables and chairs but no walls. So there was open air flow. In NYC, there is no mandate stating people have to mask up when outside, but moreover, this is exactly what conservatives have been screaming about in other instances: that crazy liberals are masking up when outside. So, she's actually being kind of reasonably moderate--for wearing masks inside but not wearing them outside. But, conservatives are screaming she is for "mask mandates" but is not wearing a mask missing the exact nuance they scream about in other instances. Isn't that weird??

So here is some context, from back in May:
"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says she will continue to wear a face mask despite being fully vaccinated because 'NYC got hit so hard that I think some of us are going to take time adjusting as we feel comfortable.'​
Ocasio-Cortez, a progressive Democrat from New York, told her followers on Instagram that 'if you want to keep wearing your mask then do it.'​
'Personally I'm going to keep wearing my mask in shared indoor public spaces like elevators, subway, grocery store, etc.,' she said."​
Wait... are you insinuating that the British tabloid The Daily Mail was in error?!

*pauses to catch breath*
Conservolibertarians, Twitler wannabes, and other assorted Qarens are going nuts over this on social media and conservative mainstream media is also all over it. It goes way beyond just the Daily Mail...and there doesn't seem to be any fact checking or nuance mentioned in standard liberal press. It's bad enough that these lunatics were screaming how masks are sex toys and mask mandates are just like the Holocaust, but they can't seem to just take a moment to calm down and ask themselves how rational they are being. Or do they actually know it makes no sense and they are just trying to steamroll the Democrats?
I think it is trolling that got out of hand.
 
Vaccines help.
Boosters help.
Masks help.
Testing helps.
Social distancing helps.
Cleaning hands and surfaces helps.
Isolation when positive helps.


None of those is 100% effective. But together they are much more effective.

This. Add one more to your list: Lockdown.

The last 6 of this combined list is enough to stop anything less than Delta cold--we've seen it in China. There were repeated oopses, the government would swoop in and stop it before it spread. The Rt was well below 1, it would die out. Whether this will work against Omicron remains to be seen, though--they have no meaningful vaccination over there.
What do you mean no meaningful vaccination?

Over 83.6% of the population have been fully vaccinated according to Our World in Data.


I'm not sure how many got boosters, or whether full vaccination involves 2 or 3 doses in the case of the least effective vaccines, but still, that looks like a considerable amount of vaccines.

I meant "meaningful" as in relevant, not as in numbers. The Chinese vaccines are basically useless against Omicron.
 
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate for mask-wearing during the pandemic was spotted partying in Miami on Sunday without a face covering altogether as she socialized with actor Billy Porter. The New York congresswoman who has been in Miami since before the new year, appeared to be continuing her vacation in the Sunshine State at a packed drag bar event in the city.

Daily Mail

This crap again?? What they are conveniently failing to mention is that the relevant photo is outdoors. The reich wing is knowingly deceiving by not telling the whole story.
 
Vaccines help.
Boosters help.
Masks help.
Testing helps.
Social distancing helps.
Cleaning hands and surfaces helps.
Isolation when positive helps.


None of those is 100% effective. But together they are much more effective.

This. Add one more to your list: Lockdown.

The last 6 of this combined list is enough to stop anything less than Delta cold--we've seen it in China. There were repeated oopses, the government would swoop in and stop it before it spread. The Rt was well below 1, it would die out. Whether this will work against Omicron remains to be seen, though--they have no meaningful vaccination over there.
What do you mean no meaningful vaccination?

Over 83.6% of the population have been fully vaccinated according to Our World in Data.


I'm not sure how many got boosters, or whether full vaccination involves 2 or 3 doses in the case of the least effective vaccines, but still, that looks like a considerable amount of vaccines.

I meant "meaningful" as in relevant, not as in numbers. The Chinese vaccines are basically useless against Omicron.

Do you have a study, evidence, etc.?

I do not have conclusive evidence, but I have this:


Over here, one of the Chinese killed-virus vaccine (Sinopharm's ) accounts for more vaccinations than any other. It's about 30% of the vaccinated population (followed by AZ, then Sputnik, and over 80% combining all three). If your assessment is correct, given that Omicron is already infecting people at a very high rate (it's about 64% in the past 4 weeks, displacing Delta in no time), one would expect that covid would get worse, or at least not much better. But it turns out lethality keeps falling very sharply, as cases skyrocket. That's probably in part because Omicron is less lethal intrinsically, but if the Chinese vaccines are useless against Omicron, it seems on its own it has to be like several times less lethal than the original strain, or than delta. That is also possible, of course. But I don't think we have enough evidence to tell which one it is.

Well, if that's the case, fatality rate should skyrocket here, as a Chinese vaccine is the most commonly used
 
Well, Texas has joined the party. If Florida bothers to report numbers, 600,000 to 700,000 cases tomorrow.

Hospitalizations are down markedly compared to new daily cases, but the bulk is beginning to make up the difference. The NE are seeing higher hospitalizations than last winter. The plague rat states down south still have some buffer room.
 
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate for mask-wearing during the pandemic was spotted partying in Miami on Sunday without a face covering altogether as she socialized with actor Billy Porter. The New York congresswoman who has been in Miami since before the new year, appeared to be continuing her vacation in the Sunshine State at a packed drag bar event in the city.

Daily Mail
Sounds to me like you're just getting a bit pissy about AOC since she made it pretty clear that there's no way you are getting into her pants.
 
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate for mask-wearing during the pandemic was spotted partying in Miami on Sunday without a face covering altogether as she socialized with actor Billy Porter. The New York congresswoman who has been in Miami since before the new year, appeared to be continuing her vacation in the Sunshine State at a packed drag bar event in the city.

Daily Mail

This crap again?? What they are conveniently failing to mention is that the relevant photo is outdoors. The reich wing is knowingly deceiving by not telling the whole story.
She was outdoors, yes, but also maskless and giving handshakes and prolonged close hugs to various randos. So, much for the 6' social distancing and avoiding skin contact. Or did that part of covid control protocols go away?
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-coronavirus-variant-found-in-france-ky08hmpe

"The World Health Organization said a coronavirus variant found in France hasn’t become much of a threat since it was first identified in November.

The variant “has been on our radar,” Abdi Mahamud, a WHO incident manager on Covid, said at a press briefing in Geneva on Tuesday. “That virus had a lot of chances to pick up.”

The variant was identified in 12 people in the southern Alps around the same time that omicron was discovered in South Africa last year. The latter mutation has since traveled the globe and kindled record levels of contagion, unlike the French one that researchers at the IHU Mediterranee Infection -- helmed by scientist Didier Raoult --nicknamed IHU. "
 
State of Ohio appears to be pegging the meter. Flatlining at 20ish,000 with 30+% positive on the results. My county is 30% last two weeks (ending in end of December). Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) is 35%. Franklin looks to be catching up now with their new cases rising, but was at 20%.

Deaths are slowly trending up, but this hasn't found its way into the rural areas as much quite yet. The Pfizer Covid-19 treatment is heading out now to hopefully stem the deaths. Currently hospitalizations nationally are 80% of the January 2021 peak. Unvax'd at about a magnitude more likely to be hospitalized.
 
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate for mask-wearing during the pandemic was spotted partying in Miami on Sunday without a face covering altogether as she socialized with actor Billy Porter. The New York congresswoman who has been in Miami since before the new year, appeared to be continuing her vacation in the Sunshine State at a packed drag bar event in the city.

Daily Mail

This crap again?? What they are conveniently failing to mention is that the relevant photo is outdoors. The reich wing is knowingly deceiving by not telling the whole story.
She was outdoors, yes, but also maskless and giving handshakes and prolonged close hugs to various randos. So, much for the 6' social distancing and avoiding skin contact. Or did that part of covid control protocols go away?
So essentially you are saying that all the right-wing news sources are wrong to focus on the mask mandate advocacy because she was outside, and instead they should have all focused on her "prolonged" 10 second hug of someone, presence near a "packed" (less than 50 people) drag bar she was next to outside, photo with an actor outside, and having dinner with her husband while she was outside and vaccinated because asymptomatic, vaccinated people outside should not come into "prolonged" (brief) contact with each other 1-on-1.
 
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate for mask-wearing during the pandemic was spotted partying in Miami on Sunday without a face covering altogether as she socialized with actor Billy Porter. The New York congresswoman who has been in Miami since before the new year, appeared to be continuing her vacation in the Sunshine State at a packed drag bar event in the city.

Daily Mail

This crap again?? What they are conveniently failing to mention is that the relevant photo is outdoors. The reich wing is knowingly deceiving by not telling the whole story.
She was outdoors, yes, but also maskless and giving handshakes and prolonged close hugs to various randos. So, much for the 6' social distancing and avoiding skin contact. Or did that part of covid control protocols go away?
So essentially you are saying that all the right-wing news sources are wrong to focus on the mask mandate advocacy because she was outside, and instead they should have all focused on her "prolonged" 10 second hug of someone, presence near a "packed" (less than 50 people) drag bar she was next to outside, photo with an actor outside, and having dinner with her husband while she was outside and vaccinated because asymptomatic, vaccinated people outside should not come into "prolonged" (brief) contact with each other 1-on-1.
That's the longest run on sentence I've come across in a while. I'll unpack it this evening and get back to you then. Gotta run. Toodles!:hallo:
 
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate for mask-wearing during the pandemic was spotted partying in Miami on Sunday without a face covering altogether as she socialized with actor Billy Porter. The New York congresswoman who has been in Miami since before the new year, appeared to be continuing her vacation in the Sunshine State at a packed drag bar event in the city.

Daily Mail

This crap again?? What they are conveniently failing to mention is that the relevant photo is outdoors. The reich wing is knowingly deceiving by not telling the whole story.
She was outdoors, yes, but also maskless and giving handshakes and prolonged close hugs to various randos. So, much for the 6' social distancing and avoiding skin contact. Or did that part of covid control protocols go away?
So essentially you are saying that all the right-wing news sources are wrong to focus on the mask mandate advocacy because she was outside, and instead they should have all focused on her "prolonged" 10 second hug of someone, presence near a "packed" (less than 50 people) drag bar she was next to outside, photo with an actor outside, and having dinner with her husband while she was outside and vaccinated because asymptomatic, vaccinated people outside should not come into "prolonged" (brief) contact with each other 1-on-1.
That's the longest run on sentence I've come across in a while. I'll unpack it this evening and get back to you then. Gotta run. Toodles!:hallo:
It really isn't complicated.
 
Looks like omicron was too much for Australia. All control is lost.
But, they’ll still benefit from the many fewer deaths from the start through delta

Zackly!
One more iteration rendering the virus so innocuous and so contagious that nobody ever gets sick even though everyone “has” it, and the pandemic will be over at last.

Thousands of years hence, should humans survive, COVID will be an ERV (endogenous retro virus) showing up as part of the human genome.
 

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) drew some stunned reactions with his latest bafflingly flawed anti-vaccine take.

During a familiar rant Monday on a conservative radio show about the merits of relying on the body’s “natural immunity” to COVID-19 after being infected with the virus, the senator asked, “Why do we assume that the body’s natural immune system isn’t the marvel that it is?”

“Why do we think that we can create something better than God in terms of combating disease?” he added.
 
Ron Johnson escalates attack on vaccines: 'Why do we think that we can create something better than God?' - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
"Why would we just automatically assume that our natural immunity is going to be awful?" he ranted. "You would think the default position would be, if you've already had it, you ought to be pretty well protected. Why do we assume that the body's natural immune system isn't the marvel that it really is?"

"Why do we think that we can create something better than God in terms of combatting disease?" the senator added. "There are certain things we have to do, but we have just made so many assumptions, and it's all pointed toward everybody getting a vaccine."
noting
Heartland Signal on Twitter: "SEN. RON JOHNSON (R-WI) on natural immunity: "Why do we think that we can create something better than God in terms of combatting disease? There are certain things we have to do, but we have just made so many assumptions, and it's all pointed toward everybody getting a vaccine." (link)" / Twitter
with a link to audio from an interview from the Vicki McKenna show.

What lame nonsense. We have conquered several diseases with vaccines. Smallpox and rinderpest now only exist in labs, and there is some argument about whether to destroy the last remaining stocks of smallpox virus.
 
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