Covid-19 miscellany

[TomC]

Repeat all over the country.

Now picture this.
The mandate is such a disaster that the sociopolitical outcome is Republican supermajorities on Capitol Hill and President Desantis in the White House.

Without as much rise in vaccination rates as could have been accomplished by less draconian methods.

Would it be worth it? Enough Sanderistas were convinced that he was the only possible choice, talking trash about Hillary and writing in Sanders and just "refusing on principle to vote", that we wound up with Trump. Leftist ideological purists didn't just shoot us in our own foot. It was a self inflicted gut shot.

I don't want that to happen again. But it might. I think it very likely if Biden is pressured into imposing a C19 vaccination mandate.
Tom

What country do you live in? SCOTUS ruled Biden couldn't tell Corporations that made Federal bucks they need to ensure that their workforce is either vaccinated or Covid-19 negative through testing.

How in the heck do you think a Covid-19 vaccine mandate would pass muster with that court? There have been no mandates, there will be no mandates. And still the anti-vaxxers are complaining. And they are poisoning more and more people with their stupidity. Saw my Sister go from one camp to the other via all the anti-vax bullshit out there, not because of anything Fauci said.

What I'm seeing here is some leftist Democrats getting ready to gut shoot the U.S...
Again.
Like they did in 2016.

From a Trumpista point of view, the ideal scenario would be people like Biden, AOC, and Pelosi getting a vaccination mandate. Then SCOTUS strikes it down as unConstitutional.
The narrative becomes "Evil Demoncrats tried to take away your bodily autonomy. Trump saved you by appointing patriotic Supreme Court judges."

Next thing you know, we've got President Desantis and heavy Republican majorities on Capitol Hill and state houses across the country and leftist Democrats complaining about the system.
Again.

Tom

 

[Metaphor]

In the case of COVID19, the virus has mutated in those who are not vaccinated, so we have multiple strains active, some of which are less controlled by current vaccine.

The Omicron mutation is a blessing, given it has displaced Delta, gives protection against Delta for people who get Omicron, has a much, much, much lower rate of causing severe disease and death, and will result in the end of the pandemic.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What country do you live in? SCOTUS ruled Biden couldn't tell Corporations that made Federal bucks they need to ensure that their workforce is either vaccinated or Covid-19 negative through testing.

How in the heck do you think a Covid-19 vaccine mandate would pass muster with that court? There have been no mandates, there will be no mandates. And still the anti-vaxxers are complaining. And they are poisoning more and more people with their stupidity. Saw my Sister go from one camp to the other via all the anti-vax bullshit out there, not because of anything Fauci said.

What I'm seeing here is some leftist Democrats getting ready to gut shoot the U.S...
Again.
Like they did in 2016.

From a Trumpista point of view, the ideal scenario would be people like Biden, AOC, and Pelosi getting a vaccination mandate.

I'm sorry, did you put Biden and Pelosi in with the term "leftist Democrats"?

Then SCOTUS strikes it down as unConstitutional.
The narrative becomes "Evil Demoncrats tried to take away your bodily autonomy. Trump saved you by appointing patriotic Supreme Court judges."

Next thing you know, we've got President Desantis and heavy Republican majorities on Capitol Hill and state houses across the country and leftist Democrats complaining about the system.
Again.

Tom

Yeah, that is nothing but fan fiction, but who needs a mandate when these people are angry about mandates that don't exist.

 

[TomC]

Or: All of Trump supporters and their ilk are dead.

Which do you think more likely?
All the TeaPartiers are dead or Biden gets his butt kicked in 2024?
Tom

 

[TomC]

I'm sorry, did you put Biden and Pelosi in with the term "leftist Democrats"?

No. I flat out didn't.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

In the case of COVID19, the virus has mutated in those who are not vaccinated, so we have multiple strains active, some of which are less controlled by current vaccine.

The Omicron mutation is a blessing, given it has displaced Delta, gives protection against Delta for people who get Omicron, has a much, much, much lower rate of causing severe disease and death, and will result in the end of the pandemic.

Yes, you are smart to have protected yourself

Assumes fact not in evidence.
You’re “reasoning” with someone who thinks a disease that is spreading like wildfire and killing thousands of people every day (11,398 yesterday alone) is a blessing, because it’s preventing a much less contagious variant that was killing fewer people in July 2021 than his “blessing” is killing now, and was on the steep decline until his blessing came along.
Not that I really grieve for the dead plague rats so much as resent that they’re killing people who might have lived, had medical resources not been stretched to this point by their disregard for the common good.

 

[Metaphor]

Assumes fact not in evidence.
You’re “reasoning” with someone who thinks a disease that is spreading like wildfire and killing thousands of people every day (11,398 yesterday alone) is a blessing, because it’s preventing a much less contagious variant that was killing fewer people in July 2021 than his “blessing” is killing now, and was on the steep decline until his blessing came along.
Not that I really grieve for the dead plague rats so much as resent that they’re killing people who might have lived, had medical resources not been stretched to this point by their disregard for the common good.

The emergence of Omicron means fewer people in total will die, and the pandemic will be over sooner, than if delta had remained the dominant strain.

You can either believe that or not, I don't care.

 

[Elixir]

Repeat all over the country.

Now picture this.
The mandate is such a disaster that the sociopolitical outcome is Republican supermajorities on Capitol Hill and President Desantis in the White House.

Without as much rise in vaccination rates as could have been accomplished by less draconian methods.

Would it be worth it? Enough Sanderistas were convinced that he was the only possible choice, talking trash about Hillary and writing in Sanders and just "refusing on principle to vote", that we wound up with Trump. Leftist ideological purists didn't just shoot us in our own foot. It was a self inflicted gut shot.

I don't want that to happen again. But it might. I think it very likely if Biden is pressured into imposing a C19 vaccination mandate.
Tom

Or: All of Trump supporters and their ilk are dead.

I don't see that as a positive outcome.

The death rate, as Meta will gleefully point out if you forget, is very low. The obscene net number of deaths reflects the extremely contagious nature of omicron. It won’t be turning any red States - or even districts blue even if deaths are 99.99% trumpsuckers.

 

[Toni]

Assumes fact not in evidence.
You’re “reasoning” with someone who thinks a disease that is spreading like wildfire and killing thousands of people every day (11,398 yesterday alone) is a blessing, because it’s preventing a much less contagious variant that was killing fewer people in July 2021 than his “blessing” is killing now, and was on the steep decline until his blessing came along.
Not that I really grieve for the dead plague rats so much as resent that they’re killing people who might have lived, had medical resources not been stretched to this point by their disregard for the common good.

The emergence of Omicron means fewer people in total will die, and the pandemic will be over sooner, than if delta had remained the dominant strain.

You can either believe that or not, I don't care.

Omicron is currently more prevalent than other variants. For now. But the other variants are still causing illness and death.

May I remind everyone; omicron is not omega

 

[bilby]

Repeat all over the country.

Now picture this.
The mandate is such a disaster that the sociopolitical outcome is Republican supermajorities on Capitol Hill and President Desantis in the White House.

Without as much rise in vaccination rates as could have been accomplished by less draconian methods.

Would it be worth it? Enough Sanderistas were convinced that he was the only possible choice, talking trash about Hillary and writing in Sanders and just "refusing on principle to vote", that we wound up with Trump. Leftist ideological purists didn't just shoot us in our own foot. It was a self inflicted gut shot.

I don't want that to happen again. But it might. I think it very likely if Biden is pressured into imposing a C19 vaccination mandate.
Tom

What country do you live in? SCOTUS ruled Biden couldn't tell Corporations that made Federal bucks they need to ensure that their workforce is either vaccinated or Covid-19 negative through testing.

How in the heck do you think a Covid-19 vaccine mandate would pass muster with that court? There have been no mandates, there will be no mandates. And still the anti-vaxxers are complaining. And they are poisoning more and more people with their stupidity. Saw my Sister go from one camp to the other via all the anti-vax bullshit out there, not because of anything Fauci said.

What I'm seeing here is some leftist Democrats getting ready to gut shoot the U.S...
Again.
Like they did in 2016.

From a Trumpista point of view, the ideal scenario would be people like Biden, AOC, and Pelosi getting a vaccination mandate. Then SCOTUS strikes it down as unConstitutional.
The narrative becomes "Evil Demoncrats tried to take away your bodily autonomy. Trump saved you by appointing patriotic Supreme Court judges."

Next thing you know, we've got President Desantis and heavy Republican majorities on Capitol Hill and state houses across the country and leftist Democrats complaining about the system.
Again.

Tom

We mustn't do anything to upset the nutters, because if we upset them, they might do nutty things.

Or perhaps we should grow a pair, and stop
pandering to idiots.

 

[Toni]

Or: All of Trump supporters and their ilk are dead.

Which do you think more likely?
All the TeaPartiers are dead or Biden gets his butt kicked in 2024?
Tom

Biden gets his butt kicked by who, exactly?

 

[Jarhyn]

Assumes fact not in evidence.
You’re “reasoning” with someone who thinks a disease that is spreading like wildfire and killing thousands of people every day (11,398 yesterday alone) is a blessing, because it’s preventing a much less contagious variant that was killing fewer people in July 2021 than his “blessing” is killing now, and was on the steep decline until his blessing came along.
Not that I really grieve for the dead plague rats so much as resent that they’re killing people who might have lived, had medical resources not been stretched to this point by their disregard for the common good.

The emergence of Omicron means fewer people in total will die, and the pandemic will be over sooner, than if delta had remained the dominant strain.

You can either believe that or not, I don't care.

As Toni points out, Omicron happened because Delta remained unchecked.

Leaving Omicron unchecked will lead to something else and nothing in evolutionary biology at all demands that this not be a more deadly strain.

Yes, more deadly strains will burn out faster, be less adaptive to themselves, but only because they burn US as their fuel.

It's not like viruses have intent

Increasing it's velocity only increased it's likelihood to mutate, and cause MORE deaths, not fewer. We need to slow it down long enough to get a vaccine, get it out there and then get Omicron stopped before it, too, can mutate.

 

[Metaphor]

Omicron is currently more prevalent than other variants. For now. But the other variants are still causing illness and death.

Omicron is 99.9 per cent of all COVID cases in the US.

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covid.cdc.gov

 

[Metaphor]

As Toni points out, Omicron happened because Delta remained unchecked.

Leaving Omicron unchecked will lead to something else and nothing in evolutionary biology at all demands that this not be a more deadly strain.

Increasing it's velocity only increased it's likelihood to mutate, and cause MORE deaths, not fewer. We need to slow it down long enough to get a vaccine, get it out there and then get Omicron stopped before it, too, can mutate.

Where on earth you got the idea that I believe or endorse omicron going 'unchecked', I am sure I don't know.

 

[TomC]

Or: All of Trump supporters and their ilk are dead.

Which do you think more likely?
All the TeaPartiers are dead or Biden gets his butt kicked in 2024?
Tom

Biden gets his butt kicked by who, exactly?

The current favorite is Desantis.
Does it matter, exactly?

Who, exactly, do you think will be running against Biden in 2024?
Exactly.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

As Toni points out, Omicron happened because Delta remained unchecked.

Leaving Omicron unchecked will lead to something else and nothing in evolutionary biology at all demands that this not be a more deadly strain.

Increasing it's velocity only increased it's likelihood to mutate, and cause MORE deaths, not fewer. We need to slow it down long enough to get a vaccine, get it out there and then get Omicron stopped before it, too, can mutate.

Where on earth you got the idea that I believe or endorse omicron going 'unchecked', I am sure I don't know.

Hmm... Resisting vaccine mandates and mask mandates and social distancing guidelines which are together the majority of what we may use to "keep it checked"

 

[TomC]

Repeat all over the country.

Now picture this.
The mandate is such a disaster that the sociopolitical outcome is Republican supermajorities on Capitol Hill and President Desantis in the White House.

Without as much rise in vaccination rates as could have been accomplished by less draconian methods.

Would it be worth it? Enough Sanderistas were convinced that he was the only possible choice, talking trash about Hillary and writing in Sanders and just "refusing on principle to vote", that we wound up with Trump. Leftist ideological purists didn't just shoot us in our own foot. It was a self inflicted gut shot.

I don't want that to happen again. But it might. I think it very likely if Biden is pressured into imposing a C19 vaccination mandate.
Tom

What country do you live in? SCOTUS ruled Biden couldn't tell Corporations that made Federal bucks they need to ensure that their workforce is either vaccinated or Covid-19 negative through testing.

How in the heck do you think a Covid-19 vaccine mandate would pass muster with that court? There have been no mandates, there will be no mandates. And still the anti-vaxxers are complaining. And they are poisoning more and more people with their stupidity. Saw my Sister go from one camp to the other via all the anti-vax bullshit out there, not because of anything Fauci said.

What I'm seeing here is some leftist Democrats getting ready to gut shoot the U.S...
Again.
Like they did in 2016.

From a Trumpista point of view, the ideal scenario would be people like Biden, AOC, and Pelosi getting a vaccination mandate. Then SCOTUS strikes it down as unConstitutional.
The narrative becomes "Evil Demoncrats tried to take away your bodily autonomy. Trump saved you by appointing patriotic Supreme Court judges."

Next thing you know, we've got President Desantis and heavy Republican majorities on Capitol Hill and state houses across the country and leftist Democrats complaining about the system.
Again.

Tom

We mustn't do anything to upset the nutters, because if we upset them, they might do nutty things.

Or perhaps we should grow a pair, and stop
pandering to idiots.

How, exactly, do you propose doing this?

The way Sanders did, in 2016?
Tom

 

[Ruth Harris]

As Toni points out, Omicron happened because Delta remained unchecked.

Leaving Omicron unchecked will lead to something else and nothing in evolutionary biology at all demands that this not be a more deadly strain.

Increasing it's velocity only increased it's likelihood to mutate, and cause MORE deaths, not fewer. We need to slow it down long enough to get a vaccine, get it out there and then get Omicron stopped before it, too, can mutate.

Where on earth you got the idea that I believe or endorse omicron going 'unchecked', I am sure I don't know.

Oh, I don't know....maybe this?

The Omicron mutation is a blessing, given it has displaced Delta, gives protection against Delta for people who get Omicron, has a much, much, much lower rate of causing severe disease and death, and will result in the end of the pandemic.

Ruth

 

[Metaphor]

Hmm... Resisting vaccine mandates and mask mandates and social distancing guidelines which are together the majority of what we may use to "keep it checked"

One fantasia doth tread upon another's heels, so fast they follow.

The gish gallop of the positions you imagine your ideological enemies to hold is exhausting.

 

[Metaphor]

As Toni points out, Omicron happened because Delta remained unchecked.

Leaving Omicron unchecked will lead to something else and nothing in evolutionary biology at all demands that this not be a more deadly strain.

Increasing it's velocity only increased it's likelihood to mutate, and cause MORE deaths, not fewer. We need to slow it down long enough to get a vaccine, get it out there and then get Omicron stopped before it, too, can mutate.

Where on earth you got the idea that I believe or endorse omicron going 'unchecked', I am sure I don't know.

Oh, I don't know....maybe this?

The Omicron mutation is a blessing, given it has displaced Delta, gives protection against Delta for people who get Omicron, has a much, much, much lower rate of causing severe disease and death, and will result in the end of the pandemic.

Ruth

Well, I'm sorry Rhea, but that is an idiotic inference for you to make. One statement does not imply the other.