Covid-19 miscellany

[Elixir]

These vaccines have been a bit of a bust really.

Oh? Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months, and if you go to an emergency room there's a good chance you will get treatment that very day, and won't have to step over dead, rotting bodies like when your boy was president.
That's the main thing - plague rats are not monopolizing the healthcare system. Really.
Yes, science.
Of course every right wing know-it-all ignoramus thinks otherwise. You're in good company.

 

[Oleg]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

 

[Elixir]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease. That has not occurred.
Vaccination and infection both confer a degree of immunity for at least 6 months. But severity of recurrent infection is apparently greater in unvaccinated patients. All in all, we would expect a reduction in both infections and deaths by now - but only given the fact that a very significant fraction of the population has been vaccinated over the duration of the pandemic. And even at that, the healthcare systems were overwhelmed, because the virus reservoir was so well maintained. Most of that can be lain at the feet of Trump, politicians who parroted him and the resulting anti-vaxxers. Of those seeking immunity from infection, one out of a hundred died. Trump can probably take credit for several hundred thousand preventable deaths.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

Somewhat, but past infection doesn't provide as good protection against the variants as the vaccine.

 

[Elixir]

Without vaccines there would still be massive stress on the HC system and people with non- COVID problems would still be dying as a result.

 

[TSwizzle]

Canada also sticking to its anti-science guns which forced the Los Angeles Angels to drop three players and hitting coach from their trip to Toronto;

Relievers Aaron Loup and Ryan Tepera, as well as starting right fielder Taylor Ward, were added to the restricted list Friday before the game with the Blue Jays. Also not with the team in Toronto was hitting coach Jeremy Reed, the Angels confirmed. Individuals not fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have to complete a mandatory 14-day quarantine when entering Canada. MLB players unable to meet the criteria are typically added to a team’s restricted list before teams play in Toronto.

LA Times

Still kicked Blue Jays' asses.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

Immunity to what? BA. 5 doesn't care if you had an earlier version of Omicron. It is still unknown how things stand regarding future variants when it comes to our natural reactions to the virus, either from the vaccine or from infection from whatever variant of the bug that came first... or even subsequent infection.

There might be no immunity to anything but the latest bug... if you had the latest bug. There is the protection inherent with the initial exposure and maybe the potential modification if infected again.

 

[repoman]

Is this too far?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Is this too far?

I agreed with the pre-Omicron measures they were taking but Omicron is simply too contagious for such containment. The mass testing itself is a big danger. They should have used the time to immunize the population but they chose a home-grown killed-virus vaccine that provides no more protection than prior infection with the Wuhan version--that is, not much.

 

[repoman]

There were no shenanigans in the clinical trials of Paxlovid that "missed" the much higher rate of rebound seen in general public now:

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Rebound? Are we talking retesting positive or people actually getting really ill?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There were no shenanigans in the clinical trials of Paxlovid that "missed" the much higher rate of rebound seen in general public now:

"Rebound" = stopping it before the infection is gone. The problem is it was tested against a different variant than what we are experiencing now. It still is a big reduction in the risk of dying if you're at high risk. (However, it's apparently useless if you're low risk.) We think of it as one disease but we should be thinking of it as a family of related diseases, the presentation and treatment details vary.

 

[blastula]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

You might expect that, but with hundreds of thousands more deaths. And that of course was the plan of your orange crush, the plague rat sociopath president.

 

[Patooka]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

One of these days I would like Trumptards to explain why having only 5% of the world's population and having 16% of the world's total deaths to covid is a good result. Herd immunity makes as much sense as pray away the gay.

 

[Jarhyn]

Hospitalizations are way down, there hasn't been a single day of four-digit deaths in over five months

Wouldn’t you expect that anyway? We’re over two years into this. Herd immunity would happen whether people got the shots or not.

One of these days I would like Trumptards to explain why having only 5% of the world's population and having 16% of the world's total deaths to covid is a good result. Herd immunity makes as much sense as pray away the gay.

Specifically darwinistic immunity from past infection.

Herd immunity from immunizations was possible, it just wasn't plausible, and it wasn't plausible because of... Fucksticks who decided not to get the jab.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of rotting flesh as it were.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Specifically darwinistic immunity from past infection.

Herd immunity from immunizations was possible, it just wasn't plausible, and it wasn't plausible because of... Fucksticks who decided not to get the jab.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of rotting flesh as it were.

No, we aren't going to see herd immunity.

Had the virus not mutated so much the choice would have been herd immunity from vaccination or herd immunity from infection--and the latter comes at a very high price.

 

[Jarhyn]

Specifically darwinistic immunity from past infection.

Herd immunity from immunizations was possible, it just wasn't plausible, and it wasn't plausible because of... Fucksticks who decided not to get the jab.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of rotting flesh as it were.

No, we aren't going to see herd immunity.

Had the virus not mutated so much the choice would have been herd immunity from vaccination or herd immunity from infection--and the latter comes at a very high price.

Pay attention to tense. Was possible. Not is. Was.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Specifically darwinistic immunity from past infection.

Herd immunity from immunizations was possible, it just wasn't plausible, and it wasn't plausible because of... Fucksticks who decided not to get the jab.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of rotting flesh as it were.

No, we aren't going to see herd immunity.

Had the virus not mutated so much the choice would have been herd immunity from vaccination or herd immunity from infection--and the latter comes at a very high price.

Pay attention to tense. Was possible. Not is. Was.

No--it looked possible but it wasn't. It's a multi-species virus, we couldn't have stopped it.

 

[crazyfingers]

No--it looked possible but it wasn't. It's a multi-species virus, we couldn't have stopped it.

In addition, US is about 5% of the global population. Even if the US could have vaccinated every American and if Americans had actually fully cooperated on masking (looking at Republicans) without a global effort, which would have inevitably have to had been led by the rich nations to vaccinate and provide masks for the poor nations, it could not have been stopped.

But, the global dealt toll could have been a lot lower and disrutions to the economy and all other mannor of ripple effects could have been reduced - had the rich nations helped the poor nations and had people actually cooperated with known public health measures that work, the global impact would could have been a lot lower.

 

[repoman]