Yes. Personal responsibility is hard. Too hard, actually. So let's just lock down society.Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated.
Yes. Personal responsibility is hard. Too hard, actually. So let's just lock down society.Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated.
The people who are not vaccinated right now, in the United States, are not vaccinated because they have strong objections to getting vaccinated. Vaccines are free and, presumably, there are no egregious access issues.Here's another important thing. Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated. Getting vaccinated is a whole lot more feasible than losing 150 pounds, or kicking the nicotine habit.
Indeed. School kids gotta mask and social distance to assuage adult hypochondria. And adults?The people who are not vaccinated right now, in the United States, are not vaccinated because they have strong objections to getting vaccinated. Vaccines are free and, presumably, there are no egregious access issues.Here's another important thing. Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated. Getting vaccinated is a whole lot more feasible than losing 150 pounds, or kicking the nicotine habit.
I believe it is crossing a moral line for a government to force adults to undergo medical procedures that are entirely for the benefit of other adults.
Do you have a psychological compulsion to comment on everything?Huh? Blood thinners have been used against Covid for quite a while--and they're very much a double-edged sword because you're trying to navigate between clotting out and bleeding out and sometimes there's no space in between.
The story was 8 hours old when I posted it. It was the results of a newly published study.
Back in the olden days, conservatives were strong supporters of the ethics of "personal responsibility". That has changed.Yes. Personal responsibility is hard. Too hard, actually. So let's just lock down society.Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated.
Vaccine mandates obsolete;
It would be irrational, legally indefensible and contrary to the public interest for government to mandate vaccines absent any evidence that the vaccines are effective in stopping the spread of the pathogen they target. Yet that’s exactly what’s happening here. mandating a vaccine to stop the spread of a disease requires evidence that the vaccines will prevent infection or transmission (rather than efficacy against severe outcomes like hospitalization or death). As the World Health Organization puts it, “if mandatory vaccination is considered necessary to interrupt transmission chains and prevent harm to others, there should be sufficient evidence that the vaccine is efficacious in preventing serious infection and/or transmission.” For Omicron, there is as yet no such evidence. The little data we have suggest the opposite. One preprint study found that after 30 days the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines no longer had any statistically significant positive effect against Omicron infection, and after 90 days, their effect went negative—i.e., vaccinated people were more susceptible to Omicron infection.
WSJ
No, no. Many of the gym bros lean conservative. They'll tell you you're fat; but also encourage your self-improvement.Back in the olden days, conservatives were strong supporters of the ethics of "personal responsibility". That has changed.Yes. Personal responsibility is hard. Too hard, actually. So let's just lock down society.Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated.
Unfortunately.
Tom
My parent's generation sure said "personal responsibility" a lot, but they didn't exercise it all that much.Back in the olden days, conservatives were strong supporters of the ethics of "personal responsibility". That has changed.Yes. Personal responsibility is hard. Too hard, actually. So let's just lock down society.Fixing the underlying causes of obesity and such require a lot more struggling than getting vaccinated.
Unfortunately.
Tom
That's how the virus works in the Republican brain.
So why can't school kids do that?That's how the virus works in the Republican brain.
What's actually happening with restaurants is that when you're eating you're with your group, when you're walking you have many more encounters with others. It's a half-assed compromise to allow restaurants to be open while reducing the risk of transmission.
No.when you're walking you have many more encounters with others
Can you explain to me why vaccine mandates for COVID 19 are bad?78% of Democratic voters support the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate plan
75% of likely Democratic voters have a favorable opinion of Dr. Fauci
59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine
48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications
47% of Democrats favor governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others
45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine
Rasmussen
Remember, if you oppose that, it is because you are a "Fascist".
I understand that. But I don’t understand your argument for NOT mandating COVID vaccines. Can you please share it?Can you explain to me why vaccine mandates for COVID 19 are bad?78% of Democratic voters support the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate plan
75% of likely Democratic voters have a favorable opinion of Dr. Fauci
59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine
48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications
47% of Democrats favor governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others
45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine
Rasmussen
Remember, if you oppose that, it is because you are a "Fascist".
Even when I agree something is a good idea, I don't approve of mandating it. Just as an example, I wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle, yet I oppose helmet laws.
Saying something should be mandated is a whole second step above and beyond saying it is a good idea. Each of those two arguments is a separate argument.
In restaurants you sit with a small group and only take the mask off when eating and drinking, not merely when sitting, though sitting in a restaurant is approximately the same as eating and drinking. In school, sitting and eating are not equivalent, and the students unmask when eating at their desks, i.e. in small groups and then mask back up. So, it is actually largely consistent to the extent that people do what they're supposed to do in restaurants.So why can't school kids do that?That's how the virus works in the Republican brain.
What's actually happening with restaurants is that when you're eating you're with your group, when you're walking you have many more encounters with others. It's a half-assed compromise to allow restaurants to be open while reducing the risk of transmission.
Vaccine mandates obsolete;
It would be irrational, legally indefensible and contrary to the public interest for government to mandate vaccines absent any evidence that the vaccines are effective in stopping the spread of the pathogen they target.
Yet that’s exactly what’s happening here. mandating a vaccine to stop the spread of a disease requires evidence that the vaccines will prevent infection or transmission (rather than efficacy against severe outcomes like hospitalization or death).
As the World Health Organization puts it, “if mandatory vaccination is considered necessary to interrupt transmission chains and prevent harm to others, there should be sufficient evidence that the vaccine is efficacious in preventing serious infection and/or transmission.”
For Omicron, there is as yet no such evidence. The little data we have suggest the opposite.
One preprint study found that after 30 days the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines no longer had any statistically significant positive effect against Omicron infection, and after 90 days, their effect went negative—i.e., vaccinated people were more susceptible to Omicron infection.
WSJ
Let's review: Students spend about 8 hours in school of which about 30 minutes is eating and drinking. They take off mask when eating lunch and drinking for that time. They mask when getting up to leave room etc etc. Meanwhile, persons in restaurants mask up, then when sitting with the purpose of eating and drinking for about an hour, they remove mask, but if they get up to use a bathroom or whatever, they mask again...like they do in school. Largely consistent policy.
The real problem here is that it seems silly to wear a mask for 10 seconds, then unmask for an hour, then mask up again for 10 seconds, not that school and restaurants are largely inconsistent, because they actually are largely consistent. Further, what people ought to do is minimize going to restaurants but when they do go to restaurants that structurally reduce transmission, such as outdoor seating, spacing out tables and people well, good ventilation, protective barriers, masked and vaxxed employees, etc.
What part of 'children are vectors' do you not understand?Let's review: Students spend about 8 hours in school of which about 30 minutes is eating and drinking. They take off mask when eating lunch and drinking for that time. They mask when getting up to leave room etc etc. Meanwhile, persons in restaurants mask up, then when sitting with the purpose of eating and drinking for about an hour, they remove mask, but if they get up to use a bathroom or whatever, they mask again...like they do in school. Largely consistent policy.
The real problem here is that it seems silly to wear a mask for 10 seconds, then unmask for an hour, then mask up again for 10 seconds, not that school and restaurants are largely inconsistent, because they actually are largely consistent. Further, what people ought to do is minimize going to restaurants but when they do go to restaurants that structurally reduce transmission, such as outdoor seating, spacing out tables and people well, good ventilation, protective barriers, masked and vaxxed employees, etc.
It has been known from the beginning that Covid has little affect on kids. The infection fatality rate for those aged 5 to 9 is less than 0.001 percent. Adults can get vaccinated. There is no benefit to anyone to treat children like lepers; denying them their childhood because some selfish neurotic adults can’t break from their Covid cult. As for your restaurant recommendations: you wear a mask alone in the car, right?