CPAC - the Coup Continues

[Keith&Co.]

I disagree. The news media certainly forms opinions, particularly on 'big questions' that your average tabloid consumer would never even contemplate unless prompted to outrage by the press.

I imagine Walter Cronkite telling the nation that six older Dr. Seuss books, poor sellers, were being retired by the publisher.
"Um....okay. Slow news day, i guess?"

 

[Stephen T-B]

Bilby, post #180: The news media certainly forms opinions, particularly on 'big questions' that your average tabloid consumer would never even contemplate unless prompted to outrage by the press.

But why would someone chose the Daily Mail (or even more right-wing D Express) over the left-leaning D. Mirror or Guardian?

I suppose it is possible that someone, with no political opinions at all, chooses a paper because he likes its sports pages and gradually becomes indoctrinated.
But I believe such cases to be relatively rare.

 

[bilby]

Bilby, post #180: The news media certainly forms opinions, particularly on 'big questions' that your average tabloid consumer would never even contemplate unless prompted to outrage by the press.

But why would someone chose the Daily Mail (or even more right-wing D Express) over the left-leaning D. Mirror or Guardian?

I suppose it is possible that someone, with no political opinions at all, chooses a paper because he likes its sports pages and gradually becomes indoctrinated.
But I believe such cases to be relatively rare.

Well if you just pick a red-top at random, you will have a far greater chance of ending up with a right wing title. The Guardian doesn't have mass appeal; It's readers are ABC1 Chardonnay socialists. The C2DE demographic stick to the tabloids, and do indeed often read them as much for sports coverage as anything else.

And of course Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M[/YOUTUBE]

 

[jonatha]

What do ABC1 and C2DE mean in this context?

 

[Swammerdami]

No-one is forced to buy the Mail; people do because they like it, and one of the reasons many of those people like it is because it chimes in with their own opinions.
In common with all our national papers, it doesn't form opinions so much as reflect them.

This credits right-wing dupes with much more agency than they have.

In the U.S., right-wing ignoramuses wouldn't know where to direct their hatreds and angers if hypocrites and liars like Hannity and Carlson didn't wind them up. I suppose some other English-speaking countries have a similar problem.

 

[bilby]

What do ABC1 and C2DE mean in this context?

They are social grades used by the UK Office of National Statistics as one way of breaking down census data. The classifications approximate both income and social status of the head of a household, and the rest of the household is (in most cases) assumed to share that classification.

The original system had six divisions (A-E, with C split into C1 and C2), but typically demographers combine two or three classes, with the split between ABC1 and C2DE being commonly recognised by marketers and advertisers trying to target a specific audience.

https://www.ukgeographics.co.uk/blog/social-grade-a-b-c1-c2-d-e

Newspapers used to be divided into 'Broadsheets', typically aimed at ABC1 readers, and 'Tabloids' aimed at C2DE, though the adoption of the tabloid paper size by the traditional broadsheets in the 1990s has made the format distinction obsolete. What used to be referred to as 'tabloids' are now sometimes called 'red tops', due to their habit of printing the name of the newspaper in white letters on a red banner at the top of the front page. The use of bright primary colours is a common marketing device when targeting C2DE consumers; ABC1 consumers tend to respond better to more muted tones (at least, that's the received wisdom in marketing and sales circles).

 

[lpetrich]

I suspect that the tabloids have had some influence in this issue. Consider this:

Misinformation went down after Twitter banned Trump - The Washington Post

Online misinformation about election fraud plunged 73 percent after several social media sites suspended President Trump and key allies last week, research firm Zignal Labs has found, underscoring the power of tech companies to limit the falsehoods poisoning public debate when they act aggressively.

The new research by the San Francisco-based analytics firm reported that conversations about election fraud dropped from 2.5 million mentions to 688,000 mentions across several social media sites in the week after Trump was banned from Twitter.

 

[Gun Nut]

People are still​ talking about the stage?!

Amazing isn't it?

It's just a stage they're going through.

Well, let's not make a whole Production out of it then.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It's just a stage they're going through.

Well, let's not make a whole Production out of it then.

Well, you keep spotlighting the issue.

 

[Jarhyn]

It's just a stage they're going through.

Well, let's not make a whole Production out of it then.

Well, you keep spotlighting the issue.

But without the spotlight, you may Nazi the whole picture...

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I haven't been defending anyone. I'm questioning why you are demanding some kind of action against them on the following grounds:

1. committed a crime,
2. established a pattern of being dangerous to our democracy,
3. been under investigation for bank fraud,
4. violated TOU agreements with social media platforms.

If you have some serious arguments for any of the above then lay them out. Personally, it scares me a bit that an organization such as CPAC, at the heart of one our two major parties, is administered by people who would choose to flaunt such an obvious symbol or white nationalism. But it's not an matter of free speech. We can't infringe on their right to say what they think. It's an issue of their veiled intent.

They made a Nazi symbol. According to what I learned on Talk Freethought, that is never accidental. According to what I learned on Talk Freethought, people who do that deserve to be cancelled even though they haven't actually committed any crimes.

Why are you defending Nazis?

Back to my original question: What exactly do you intend for anyone to do in order to "cancel" them? What is this "action" you claim you were taught here that is required? Just come out and say it. And who is this NAZI you claim I'm defending?

Okay. First, unbanked. For the last several years there has been a push for banks to stop doing business with gun shops, a completely and utterly legal business. It is getting harder and harder for legal gun shops to do their business because of the pressure on the banks to stop doing business with them. Second, the social media platforms have already established a precedent wherein people can be banned for what they do off platform. You don't have to be on the platform to do something bannable on the platform.

Since it has been established on this forum that there is no accidental use of a symbol associated with Nazis, such as when people flash the "OK" symbol it is always a dog-whistle for White Power, there is no way the stage designer could have made that symbol by accident. Therefore she must have intentionally made that Nazi symbol. You know who intentionally makes Nazi symbols? Nazis.

That this Nazi was also a Biden supporter only makes sense.

Let's break this down again, for the lurkers:

C-PAC creates a design for a stage and commissions it. Someone builds that stage for C-PAC. Now JH is calling for the blood of the middle man, calls for "shooting the messenger" rather than the actual Nazis who had a Nazi rally.

This is transparently a deflection from the people who designed and commissioned the stage. I had never even heard of that perversion of the Odal rune before. And while I'm disappointed that ANYONE left of center worked with the C-PAC Nazis, I'm not shocked that they managed to slip a few dog-whistlings past "the help". Perhaps this should serve as an indication of why "cancel culture" is important: if you don't entirely cancel the Nazis, they will absolutely trick good people into helping them write messages of hate.

Lots of dog-whistles in your post. No wonder then you defend the woman who made a Nazi symbol.

 

[blastula]

Since it has been established on this forum that there is no accidental use of a symbol associated with Nazis, such as when people flash the "OK" symbol it is always a dog-whistle for White Power

Citation needed.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Since it has been established on this forum that there is no accidental use of a symbol associated with Nazis, such as when people flash the "OK" symbol it is always a dog-whistle for White Power

Citation needed.

I cite the existence of Jahryn, who can find dog-whistles in even the most innocuous statement.

People want to let this lady go because she's a Biden supporter. That's no excuse. A Nazi that supports Biden is still a Nazi.

 

[blastula]

Okay you got nothing.

 

[Swammerdami]

Since it has been established on this forum that there is no accidental use of a symbol associated with Nazis, such as when people flash the "OK" symbol it is always a dog-whistle for White Power [my emphasis]

Citation needed.

If it happens once, then it always happens. If one liberal does or thinks something, then every liberal so does or thinks.

This is called "colorful" right-wing diction. When pressed, they'll say their words are "entertainment" and not meant to be taken seriously.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Okay you got nothing.

I just don't feel like playing into you playing dumb. You know just as well as I do who says things like that around here. If you want me to dig through post history, just say "dig through Jahryn's post history until you find examples of Jahryn saying that". Be honest in your request for support.

Or you go and do it, since you also know it is there.

 

[Elixir]

Since it has been established on this forum that there is no accidental use of a symbol associated with Nazis, such as when people flash the "OK" symbol it is always a dog-whistle for White Power [my emphasis]

Citation needed.

If it happens once, then it always happens. If one liberal does or thinks something, then every liberal so does or thinks.

This is called "colorful" right-wing diction. When pressed, they'll say their words are "entertainment" and not meant to be taken seriously.

Truth is stranger than fiction, and funnier than punchlines.

 

[blastula]

Okay you got nothing.

I just don't feel like playing into you playing dumb. You know just as well as I do who says things like that around here. If you want me to dig through post history, just say "dig through Jahryn's post history until you find examples of Jahryn saying that". Be honest in your request for support.

Or you go and do it, since you also know it is there.

Your reply is too absurd on too many levels.

1. I don't remember anyone ever saying that here.

2. Even if one person did say that, it would not make it "established on this forum."

3. It's not my job to prove your claim, a claim I don't accept. If you want anyone to believe what you say, you go prove it.

4. I have said the exact opposite of what you claim myself on this board and in a thread you participated in.

Most of the time the circle sign mean okay, but sometimes in means wp.

By your loony logic, my post has established the opposite of what you claim.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Your reply is too absurd on too many levels.

1. I don't remember anyone ever saying that here.

2. Even if one person did say that, it would not make it "established on this forum."

3. It's not my job to prove your claim, a claim I don't accept. If you want anyone to believe what you say, you go prove it.

4. I have said the exact opposite of what you claim myself on this board and in a thread you participated in.

I'm not going to indulge you pretending that you are brand new to this forum and have never read any post by any other forum user.

 

[blastula]

My recollection is at odds with yours. Imagine that. You can resolve this simply by stopping your stalling, and put up or shut up.