Dem Post Mortem

[TomC]

A father with a very young daughter or mother with a very young son in tow might.

Where's the problem?

Does anyone have a problem with little kids in the restroom with a parent?
Not that I know of, but maybe you live in a place where people get upset about that sort of thing.
Tom

 

[Derec]

They complain about the Democrats not doing anything for the common man and "Fauxahontas" is the pinnacle of their commentary on Elizabeth Warren.

Do you have an actual comment about how the anti-police attitude sparked by #BLM riots harmed the Democratic Party brand in general and Kamala Harris brand in particular, or are you just here to bitch about nicknames?

 

[Derec]

I obviously was too subtle with my reference to millions of imaginary people. It is not simply the raw numbers (which ARE exaggerated, especially with regard to time scale, they are claiming those numbers each year)

They certainly are in the millions per year now.

Note that these are apprehensions, who end up in the US because of "catch and release". How many more sneak by border patrol agents?
This level of influx is clearly unsustainable, especially when it is very difficult to deport people.

but the alleged nature of these immigrants - for instance, that they all are carting in a big package of Fentanyl ready to corrupt the American people. If this was true then these immigrants wouldn't be super poor.

Why do you think the drug mules themselves would be well off?

Also Americans should take some responsibility for their drug indulging habit. Drug dealers are only successful because there are so many drug buyers/consumers. Also, they are not all illegals.

Addictions are hard to kick, especially to opioids. And drug dealers make their product more dangerous by lacing it with fentanyl.

 

[Derec]

Dems really need to stop nominating people because "it's their turn" or because "they would make history".

for this election it was too late to do much else and have a good chance. But for the next they really do need a robust primary.

True. I was mainly talking about 2028.
As far as 2024, by the time Biden decided not to seek reelection, it was late in the process. He should have decided sooner. But was it Biden's own hubris that caused his prevarication, or did DNC encourage it so that they did not have to deal with a challenge to heiress apparent?

 

[Derec]

Absolutely the wrong approach, by one Sunjeev Berry at The Intercept
Take Out the Trash: A Proposal to Clean Up the Democratic Party
He proposes that the Democratic Party purge all moderates, and especially those who are pro-Israel.

It was the Democratic Party's leftward lurch after 2016 that set the stage for the 2024 debacle. I think that without COVID, Trump would have cruised to reeelction in 2020. It might be forgotten now, as it happened in the pre-Pandemic era that seems like forever ago, but the Dem primary debates starting in Summer 2019 were an absolute shitshow.

 

[laughing dog]

They complain about the Democrats not doing anything for the common man and "Fauxahontas" is the pinnacle of their commentary on Elizabeth Warren.

Do you have an actual comment about how the anti-police attitude sparked by #BLM riots harmed the Democratic Party brand in general and Kamala Harris brand in particular, or are you just here to bitch about nicknames?

I think the obvious point that flew right past you is that is possible to make such a point with employing racist or bigoted nicknames. In fact, there absence makes any point more credible because the reader is not tempted to wonder what type of person feels it necessary to include such unnecessary nastiness.

 

[Derec]

I think the obvious point that flew right past you is that is possible to make such a point with employing racist or bigoted nicknames.

That nickname is neither. It's poking fun at paleface Elizabeth Warren self-identifying as "American Indian" based on, at best, a tiny fraction of Amerindian heritage.

In fact, there absence makes any point more credible because the reader is not tempted to wonder what type of person feels it necessary to include such unnecessary nastiness.

Oh, please! Unnecessarily nasty nicknames are de rigueur around here. At least when aimed at Republicans.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Dems really need to stop nominating people because "it's their turn" or because "they would make history".

for this election it was too late to do much else and have a good chance. But for the next they really do need a robust primary.

True. I was mainly talking about 2028.

I don’t know whose “turn” it would be in 2028. I’m looking forward to a primary with hopefully some good options.

As far as 2024, by the time Biden decided not to seek reelection, it was late in the process. He should have decided sooner.

I agree with you here. I think many of those who came out for him in 2020 did so under the assumption he would be a one term president.

But was it Biden's own hubris that caused his prevarication, or did DNC encourage it so that they did not have to deal with a challenge to heiress apparent?

Good question. I think part of the delay was that he and others didn’t actually think Harris could beat Trump so he was trying to stick it out. Choosing not to go with Harris as the “heiress apparent” may have been the best option but I think Party leaders saw that as bad for the Party. but when Biden bombed at the debate they had no choice but to install
Harris and try to be as enthusiastic as possible.

 

[TomC]

A father with a very young daughter or mother with a very young son in tow might.

Where's the problem?

Does anyone have a problem with little kids in the restroom with a parent?
Not that I know of, but maybe you live in a place where people get upset about that sort of thing.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection?? That's where I have a problem--if a suitable body declares that 1/6 was an insurrection then he should be yeeted on the 14th. But that didn't happen--remember the various red areas talking about yeeting Biden on "insurrection"?

Keep moving those goalposts, Captain.

Just because I disagree with what Colorado did doesn't make me think The Felon is good. Colorado jumped the gun as far as I'm concerned--you haven't addressed my point about others planning the same thing for nonsense reasons.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Bill Maher sums things up in his usual style.

All the numbers mean is that The Felon had a far bigger disinformation system, courtesy of Moscow and Beijing. The election wasn't decided on issues, it was decided on deception.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem isn't "incitement", but "insurrection". Look what happened when Colorado tried to use it--a bunch of red states were going to come up with pretexts to use it against Biden. We need an authoritative source on whether an action is insurrection, not 50 states making their own decisions.

The law needs to make sense. So either we need 50 states to individually concur that insurrection happened, and sign off on it, or one centralized authority indicates as such. Being excluded from serving is a national thing, not a state thing, so it can be reasonably argued that if one states says they are disqualified, no state can allow that person to serve in Government without a note from Congress.

So the reddest state excludes any Democrats. No, that doesn't make sense, so the decision must be at a federal level.

The trouble with the 14th Amendment is it was written specifically for the Civil War. That wasn't remotely a gray area! So it fit fine with the circumstances. Heck, didn't lots of people get permission regardless of their actions? (John Brown was executed for his insurrection... the Southerners were treated quite like royalty for theirs... which cost the lives of over 800,000 Americans. And the South still whines about it.!

Agreed. Good idea, poor implementation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But for small businesses it's not a problem--they should have a single-occupancy bathroom anyway.

Why?
I see no reason for that.

Provide two restrooms, a restroom for anyone male or female, and I see no reason for them to spend any more.

If it's in their best interest to do so, fine. But if there's a restroom for everyone they've done their public duty.
Tom

You're not disagreeing with me.

Single occupancy, anyone can use it, gender doesn't matter. It's only an issue when you have sufficient demand that you have multiple toilets.

 

[scombrid]

Bill Maher sums things up in his usual style.

All the numbers mean is that The Felon had a far bigger disinformation system, courtesy of Moscow and Beijing. The election wasn't decided on issues, it was decided on deception.

Musk and his pal Thiel were huge disinfo suppliers. Thiels data analytics were certain t have been handy directing the bots whom and how to target.

 

[scombrid]

Bill Maher sums things up in his usual style.

All the numbers mean is that The Felon had a far bigger disinformation system, courtesy of Moscow and Beijing. The election wasn't decided on issues, it was decided on deception.

Musk and his pal Thiel were huge disinfo suppliers. Thiels data analytics were certain t have been handy directing the bots whom and how to target.

And Musk spent a lot of money on the campaign.

 

[laughing dog]

I think the obvious point that flew right past you is that is possible to make such a point with employing racist or bigoted nicknames.

That nickname is neither. It's poking fun at paleface Elizabeth Warren self-identifying as "American Indian" based on, at best, a tiny fraction of Amerindian heritage.

In fact, there absence makes any point more credible because the reader is not tempted to wonder what type of person feels it necessary to include such unnecessary nastiness.

Oh, please! Unnecessarily nasty nicknames are de rigueur around here. At least when aimed at Republicans.

Thanks for confirming the point flew right past you with the additional bonus of a “whataboutism”!!!!

BTW, do you find those unnecessary nicknames enhance the criticisms?

 

[Shadowy Man]

But what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection?? That's where I have a problem--if a suitable body declares that 1/6 was an insurrection then he should be yeeted on the 14th. But that didn't happen--remember the various red areas talking about yeeting Biden on "insurrection"?

Keep moving those goalposts, Captain.

Just because I disagree with what Colorado did doesn't make me think The Felon is good. Colorado jumped the gun as far as I'm concerned--you haven't addressed my point about others planning the same thing for nonsense reasons.

You may disagree with the Colorado decision (and I'd like to see you point to the sections of the decision you actually disagree with) but that doesn't mean that the issue wasn't addressed by an adequate authority.

And we have courts and court rules to take care of the "nonsense reasons", though perhaps you would simply state that some red state's Supreme Court would be too corrupt to not declare Biden an insurrectionist without any credible evidence. I guess there's no arguing against that kind of logic, eh?

 

[Elixir]

what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection??

THERE IS NO "ADEQUATE AUTHORITY".
The State Supreme Court was the ONLY authority to adjudicate that point, and they found that it was an insurrection and that Trump was complicit.

 

[Derec]

Thanks for confirming the point flew right past you

Nothing flew past me. You are very obviously using your feigned outrage over Fauxachontas to avoid dealing with the points I made.

with the additional bonus of a “whataboutism”!!!!

Pointing out hypocrisy is not "whataboutism".

BTW, do you find those unnecessary nicknames enhance the criticisms?

Yes, when used judiciously. They act like spice.
If my posts were just nicknames it would be one thing. But they are not.

So, do you have anything substantive to say or do you just want to keep derailing and being butthurt?

 

[ZiprHead]

But what body of adequate authority ever determined that it was an insurrection?? That's where I have a problem--if a suitable body declares that 1/6 was an insurrection then he should be yeeted on the 14th. But that didn't happen--remember the various red areas talking about yeeting Biden on "insurrection"?

Did you read the ruling of the Colorado case? Would the Colorado Supreme Court be a “body of adequate authority”?

I think it needs to be either Congress or SCOTUS.

Not according to the wording of the amendment.