Dem Post Mortem

[Politesse]

They need more lying and slander?

Are you saying they did lie and slander?

No, but I figured you wanted the dems to campaign more like republicans.

With armed local militias terrorizing the polling offices?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Consider that Gen Z males voted for Trump in much larger numbers than for Harris.

Why do you think that is?

Because males in general tend to vote republican more often than they vote democrat. That males continued to vote in the same way that they've historically voted shouldn't be a surprise.

On the other hand... Trump picked up votes among women and minorities. Why do you think that is?

I only agree with Emily about half the time, but I like all of her posts. She asks tough questions that people don't want to face. So do I, but she does it with far more tact.

If I were to make a guess, I would say: she reduced each group to one issue.

For women, her whole campaign was about access to abortion. There are pro-life women out there who would be turned off by it.
For Hispanics, her whole campaign was about opposition to deporting illegal aliens. Many Hispanics are not only here legally, but have been for generations.
For males, her whole campaign was about not being afraid to vote for a woman. Hmm...
For blacks, her whole campaign was "what can the government give you to make you better off." It assumes that handouts are what they want.
For LGBTQ, she focused on the T, not noticing that the LGB was getting very tired of the T. Not only that, women were getting tired of T.

 

[Derec]

With armed local militias terrorizing the polling offices?

Militias like these?

New Black Panthers arm patrols near polling sites in Herschel Walker-Raphael Warnock Georgia runoff

 

[Politesse]

You mean a bullshit claim that ran in a tabloid two years ago and was immediately debunked, but which people have been posting and reposting ever since as though it were absolutely true?

Fact check: False claim that armed Black Panthers patrolled voting sites during Georgia runoff
No evidence of armed patrols at Georgia voting sites

But of course I predict that you will glance at the headlines above, ignore them, and continue posting your lying bullshit article in future threads as though no one had ever tried to correct you. Because to the true right wing, truth is only truth if it comes to them through the "truth social", amirite?

 

[Politesse]

For blacks, her whole campaign was "what can the government give you to make you better off." It assumes that handouts are what they want.

Politely, what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Derec]

Fact check: False claim that armed Black Panthers patrolled voting sites during Georgia runoff
No evidence of armed patrols at Georgia voting sites

They claim that it was claims on social media when it was reported in news articles like the one I posted. Also, even according to your articles the Black Panthers admit that they sent militia members to polling locations, they merely deny that they were armed.

This would not be the first time New Black Panthers intimidated voters. They did so too in 2008, and the Obama administration dismissed the cases as soon as Eric Holder took office.

Because to the true right wing, truth is only truth if it comes to them through the "truth social", amirite?

I did not quote "truth social", so what are you babbling about?

 

[Derec]

For blacks, her whole campaign was "what can the government give you to make you better off." It assumes that handouts are what they want.

Politely, what the fuck are you talking about?

Things like Kamala promising to give black men forgivable loans.

 

[Derec]

More armed militias in Atlanta:

Those pictures of New Black Panthers campaigning for Abrams are real, and they aren’t apologizing

 

[Politesse]

For blacks, her whole campaign was "what can the government give you to make you better off." It assumes that handouts are what they want.

Politely, what the fuck are you talking about?

Things like Kamala promising to give black men forgivable loans.

A forgiveable startup business loan is not a "handout". I take it you've never done anything as useful as starting a business, but you should still be at least vaguely aware of the amount of work involved. Surely you've at least met someone who owned a business? Did they seem... not busy, to you?

Of course, this is all pointless to discuss now. She didn't win, and the idea is unlikely to be revived.

 

[Politesse]

More armed militias in Atlanta:

Those pictures of New Black Panthers campaigning for Abrams are real, and they aren’t apologizing

So, you're claiming that not only was the incident you described a real one, but that those scary Black People have both guns and time machines now, and went back on time to write about it in a blog four years before it allegedly happened? And mentioning nothing about the more worrying details you claimed like the notion of blockading a polling center, which was really the worrying bit, as opposed to just owning guns, which is 100% legal in Georgia but only news when a Black man does it?

 

[Politesse]

I did not quote "truth social", so what are you babbling about?

Being implicitly skeptical of actual news reporting, while credulously believing and passionately repeating whatever nonsense conservative social media cooks up, without checking on the most basic details of the outrageous claims they make up before breakfast each morning.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

For blacks, her whole campaign was "what can the government give you to make you better off." It assumes that handouts are what they want.

Politely, what the fuck are you talking about?

Things like Kamala promising to give black men forgivable loans.

A forgiveable startup business loan is not a "handout". I take it you've never done anything as useful as starting a business, but you should still be at least vaguely aware of the amount of work involved. Surely you've at least met someone who owned a business? Did they seem... not busy, to you?

Of course, this is all pointless to discuss now. She didn't win, and the idea is unlikely to be revived.

A loan is not a handout. A forgivable loan is not the same. Of course you only responded to that one line, so I guess you agree with all the rest.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Reading through this thread, it occurs to me to ask how many of you actually know a Trump supporter? Not in the sense of "I have a neighbor / coworker / cousin who supports him" but "I have someone who I consider a good friend who I talk to on a regular basis" sort of way.

Of the few who can answer "yes", have you ever asked that person why they support Trump or are you dismayed that your friend is secretly a misogynist / homophobe / racist / transphobe but doesn't show the symptoms?

 

[jonatha]

Reading through this thread, it occurs to me to ask how many of you actually know a Trump supporter? Not in the sense of "I have a neighbor / coworker / cousin who supports him" but "I have someone who I consider a good friend who I talk to on a regular basis" sort of way.

Of the few who can answer "yes", have you ever asked that person why they support Trump or are you dismayed that your friend is secretly a misogynist / homophobe / racist / transphobe but doesn't show the symptoms?

Most of the Trump supporters I know are relatives, so I don't have to ask....

 

[Elixir]

Yeah I had some "good friends" who were Trumpsters. When I asked why, the repeated the purpose-built lies upon which the artifice some call "President Trump" was built.
"He's a great businessman, not in it for the money, like Biden or Obama".
"He will stop inflation" ( )
"The illegals are invading and Dems want open borders"
Etc. etc. ad nauseum.
There's an outright lie for every occasion. They're not exactly immune to facts generally speaking, but they all share a sense of entitlement and an obsequious willingness to abdicate responsibility for their own condition.

Does that answer your question, Jason?
Does it differ significantly from the answers you get from YOUR trumpsucking friends when you ask?

It is apparent to me that at least 48% of Americans have suckered for the lies, and another 1% or so will profit, or hope to profit, from the malfeasance and damage they know Trump will inflict upon the Country (which he hates, for rejecting him that one time, and for threatening to hold him accountable for his criminal career).
That they may be misogynists, racists, shady dealers in business or whatever - for them, permission to be even more racist and and misogynistic is just a bonus.

 

[Politesse]

For blacks, her whole campaign was "what can the government give you to make you better off." It assumes that handouts are what they want.

Politely, what the fuck are you talking about?

Things like Kamala promising to give black men forgivable loans.

A forgiveable startup business loan is not a "handout". I take it you've never done anything as useful as starting a business, but you should still be at least vaguely aware of the amount of work involved. Surely you've at least met someone who owned a business? Did they seem... not busy, to you?

Of course, this is all pointless to discuss now. She didn't win, and the idea is unlikely to be revived.

A loan is not a handout. A forgivable loan is not the same. Of course you only responded to that one line, so I guess you agree with all the rest.

All loans are "forgiveable". The devil's in the details.

Are you under the impression that whenever one of Trump's many businesses fails, he actually pays a loan back in full to someone?

And no, I don't agree with all the rest. As a B, for instance, not only do I not hate trans people, I understand that if the government dismantles their 14th amendment protections, it dismantles mine as well. Indeed, they'll have to plow right through Lawrence to do it, and that would effect me immediately. And I think I am not rare in understanding that obvious fact. Very few gay people voted for Trump, we aren't stupid.

 

[Politesse]

Reading through this thread, it occurs to me to ask how many of you actually know a Trump supporter? Not in the sense of "I have a neighbor / coworker / cousin who supports him" but "I have someone who I consider a good friend who I talk to on a regular basis" sort of way.

That would be fucking insane of me. Why would I befriend someone who just recently voted to strip me of fundamental rights and deport my family? If I had such a friend, they'd be a shitty fucking friend, and definitely not the diplomat you're hoping for. And I'd be a pretty dubious friend to my actual friends, keeping such company.

And Trump's people aren't any more keen to befriend me. Indeed, this whole thing has driven a wedge through the family. We'd love to have some people back at Thanksgiving next year, but not on the terms they would demand for the "privilege" of their company.

 

[southernhybrid]

Yeah I had some "good friends" who were Trumpsters. When I asked why, the repeated the purpose-built lies upon which the artifice some call "President Trump" was built.
"He's a great businessman, not in it for the money, like Biden or Obama".
"He will stop inflation" ( )
"The illegals are invading and Dems want open borders"
Etc. etc. ad nauseum.
There's an outright lie for every occasion. They're not exactly immune to facts generally speaking, but they all share a sense of entitlement and an obsequious willingness to abdicate responsibility for their own condition.

Does that answer your question, Jason?
Does it differ significantly from the answers you get from YOUR trumpsucking friends when you ask?

It is apparent to me that at least 48% of Americans have suckered for the lies, and another 1% or so will profit, or hope to profit, from the malfeasance and damage they know Trump will inflict upon the Country (which he hates, for rejecting him that one time, and for threatening to hold him accountable for his criminal career).
That they may be misogynists, racists, shady dealers in business or whatever - for them, permission to be even more racist and and misogynistic is just a bonus.

That is pretty much what my Trump sucking friendly acquaintances say when I've asked them why they supported Trump. When I mentioned some of the worst things he has said he would do, they just blow it off and say, "Oh Trump says a lot of things that he doesn't mean". We shall see about that soon.

Luckily, I have no close friends who voted for. him, just a lot of friendly acquaintances and every one of them is a conservative Christian, with the exception of my brother in law, who is wealthy and what I would call a non practicing Catholic, who brags about how often he gets laid and how much money he has. We haven't spoken to him since prior to the election. But, despite being highly educated, he believed every fucking thing that Trumps said before he voted for him. He is living proof that having an advanced degree doesn't always equate with being intelligent or having critical thinking skills.

Oh wait, I forgot about my neighbor across the street who is a non practicing Christian and one of the best, most thoughtful neighbors I've ever had. We had a friendly argument with him about Trump just before the election, but it was impossible to reason with him. I don't even remember exactly what he said, but I think it was the usual bullshit.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yeah I had some "good friends" who were Trumpsters. When I asked why, the repeated the purpose-built lies upon which the artifice some call "President Trump" was built.
"He's a great businessman, not in it for the money, like Biden or Obama".
"He will stop inflation" ( )
"The illegals are invading and Dems want open borders"
Etc. etc. ad nauseum.
There's an outright lie for every occasion. They're not exactly immune to facts generally speaking, but they all share a sense of entitlement and an obsequious willingness to abdicate responsibility for their own condition.

Does that answer your question, Jason?
Does it differ significantly from the answers you get from YOUR trumpsucking friends when you ask?

It is apparent to me that at least 48% of Americans have suckered for the lies, and another 1% or so will profit, or hope to profit, from the malfeasance and damage they know Trump will inflict upon the Country (which he hates, for rejecting him that one time, and for threatening to hold him accountable for his criminal career).
That they may be misogynists, racists, shady dealers in business or whatever - for them, permission to be even more racist and and misogynistic is just a bonus.

In your case the question assumes you have friends in the first place.

Yes, some are upset about inflation and the economy. Many of them are concerned about crime, which you didn't mention at all. Immigration is a subset of crime, since they're not worried about legal immigration. I found common cause with those worried that we were being dragged into WWIII.

Reading through this thread, it occurs to me to ask how many of you actually know a Trump supporter? Not in the sense of "I have a neighbor / coworker / cousin who supports him" but "I have someone who I consider a good friend who I talk to on a regular basis" sort of way.

That would be fucking insane of me. Why would I befriend someone who just recently voted to strip me of fundamental rights and deport my family? If I had such a friend, they'd be a shitty fucking friend, and definitely not the diplomat you're hoping for. And I'd be a pretty dubious friend to my actual friends, keeping such company.

And Trump's people aren't any more keen to befriend me. Indeed, this whole thing has driven a wedge through the family. We'd love to have some people back at Thanksgiving next year, but not on the terms they would demand for the "privilege" of their company.

I congratulate you on being honest about not having any pro-Trump friends. Others might pretend otherwise for rhetorical reasons.

 

[Politesse]

I congratulate you on being honest about not having any pro-Trump friends. Others might pretend otherwise for rhetorical reasons

I may be rude, but I'm no bullshitter.