Dem Post Mortem

[Jimmy Higgins]

My guess is that serious catastrophe or overthrow is the only way out, and I'm not talking about a bad recession, but something several orders of magnitude worse than the Great Depression that kills millions.

Unless it’s directly linked to Trump and his movement in the most undeniable way possible I am not sure that even that would move the needle.

In a culture where Fox and X are the mainstream media nothing is undeniable.
Tom

Trump normalized lying. We'll never know, but I'm curious how many net votes did the lies about the hurricane relief get Trump.

I see Musk and Trump and I think of V for Vendetta, and consolidation of media and the tiny circle required to control in.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

It is president-elect Trump not president-elect Harris ergo Harris ran a poorer campaign than Trump.
I know it is hard to acknowledgement you lost to a clown and a buffoon but reality doesn't not care about your feelings.

I would add male child to that description.

It's satisfying to run a dignified, adult campaign against a child as Biden and the Dems did four years ago and win. That same strategy did not work four years later. Harris didn't lose on issues. She lost because she wasn't male. If the Dems had run a male candidate they would have won another close race and still kept their message dignified.

If the Dems ever run another woman she better come out breathing fire. The country is not going to elect a female president unless she is extraordinary to the point of satisfying and overcoming enough of those male egos.

Do you remember being in 7th grade and electing your class president? Who won? The kid who made wild promises and got the other kids screaming or the kid who talked like an adult? So your point is taken that the Dems did not lower themselves to the point of humiliation in order to win. I still don't think they need to do that. Rather they need to be strong, direct and call an idiot when and idiot announces he's there, to have no fear. The first presidential contest I remember was Kennedy vs Nixon. Boy have things changed. Gone is the civility and decorum in one party. The Dems will have to address that if another Orange Dotard comes along.

 

[pood]

This sure is a lot of post-morteming.

How hard is it? In his movie about Nixon, Oliver Stone had Anthony Hopkins, who brilliantly depicted NIxon, drunkenly address portraits of past presidents on the White House walls, something that really happened. It happened the night before he left office. Nixon looks at the portrait of JFK and says, “In you, people see who they want to be. In me, they see who they really are.”

In Trump, Americans saw who they really are, AND who they really want to be.

Principle of parsimony, post-mortem.

 

[laughing dog]

This sure is a lot of post-morteming.

How hard is it? In his movie about Nixon, Oliver Stone had Anthony Hopkins, who brilliantly depicted NIxon, drunkenly address portraits of past presidents on the White House walls, something that really happened. It happened the night before he left office. Nixon looks at the portrait of JFK and says, “In you, people see who they want to be. In me, they see who they really are.”

In Trump, Americans saw who they really are, AND who they really want to be.

Principle of parsimony, post-mortem.

Thanks, now I really want to crawl into a deeper hole.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This sure is a lot of post-morteming.

How hard is it?

It isn't an easy one. This wasn't a massacre. The GOP might have expanded their House majority by one seat. The GOP did better than expected in the Senate, but still.. only gained four seats in a map that was really hard for the Democrats (with the crazy thing that the Democrats did better in the harder states). And of course Trump won, but his "we got a mandate"... they barely hold the Senate and House and he won by 3% or less in several states..

The sting comes from the shifts in the minority vote, when Harris did well enough among whites to be within reach of winning.

In Trump, Americans saw who they really are, AND who they really want to be.

Trump embodies this weird idealization of a person he isn't. He isn't patriotic, he isn't a successful businessman, he isn't relatable to the people that adore him. But in him, enough people see a guy that "get's it". When oddly enough, he has benefited from all elitist designed system endorsed by the government that they hate... you know... actual irony.

It is obfuscation through the roof. It be like Iranian conservatives going gaa gaa over over Netanyahu!

 

[pood]

This sure is a lot of post-morteming.

How hard is it?

It isn't an easy one. This wasn't a massacre. The GOP might have expanded their House majority by one seat. The GOP did better than expected in the Senate, but still.. only gained four seats in a map that was really hard for the Democrats (with the crazy thing that the Democrats did better in the harder states). And of course Trump won, but his "we got a mandate"... they barely hold the Senate and House and he won by 3% or less in several states..

The sting comes from the shifts in the minority vote, when Harris did well enough among whites to be within reach of winning.

In Trump, Americans saw who they really are, AND who they really want to be.

Trump embodies this weird idealization of a person he isn't. He isn't patriotic, he isn't a successful businessman, he isn't relatable to the people that adore him. But in him, enough people see a guy that "get's it". When oddly enough, he has benefited from all elitist designed system endorsed by the government that they hate. It is obfuscation through the roof.

I don’t think so. The majority of Americans who voted for him know that he is a traitor, a con artist, a narcissist, a racist, a misogynist, a homophobe and a transphobe. So are they.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This sure is a lot of post-morteming.

How hard is it?

It isn't an easy one. This wasn't a massacre. The GOP might have expanded their House majority by one seat. The GOP did better than expected in the Senate, but still.. only gained four seats in a map that was really hard for the Democrats (with the crazy thing that the Democrats did better in the harder states). And of course Trump won, but his "we got a mandate"... they barely hold the Senate and House and he won by 3% or less in several states..

The sting comes from the shifts in the minority vote, when Harris did well enough among whites to be within reach of winning.

In Trump, Americans saw who they really are, AND who they really want to be.

Trump embodies this weird idealization of a person he isn't. He isn't patriotic, he isn't a successful businessman, he isn't relatable to the people that adore him. But in him, enough people see a guy that "get's it". When oddly enough, he has benefited from all elitist designed system endorsed by the government that they hate. It is obfuscation through the roof.

I don’t think so. The majority of Americans who voted for him know that he is a traitor, a con artist, a narcissist, a racist, a misogynist, a homophobe and a transphobe. So are they.

No on: traitor, con artist, narcissist
Yes on: bigoted, homophobe, transphobe. (Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself, so I don't think he can be considered any of these, but he sure the heck went for their votes).

 

[pood]

When someone shows you who they are, believe them. When people vote for that person, believe them.

 

[pood]

The new Confederacy begins.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

When someone shows you who they are, believe them. When people vote for that person, believe them.

I'm waiting for certain folks in this thread to tell us how to counter that without sacrificing your dignity, your principles and a wholesome, inclusive vision of the future.

 

[Emily Lake]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

 

[pood]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

No it’s not. A big part of the problem is that a majority of Americans are just like Trump.

 

[Elixir]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

No it’s not. A big part of the problem is that a majority of Americans are just like Trump.

Vilification works! Just ask crooked Hillary, cumMOLLA, Brandon or Mike Pence! Try Liz Cheney, Shifty Schiff, black people, Mexicans, Muslims, Puerto Ricans - hell, pretty much anyone among the 350 million of us who aren’t among the 73 million grovelers and ignorants comprising MAGAt World.
Vilification is a problem all right. But the criticism of Donald Trump isn’t vilification - that’s just called observation. Vilifying the suckers who voted for him is pointless and not right.

 

[pood]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

It’s funny how you dreamed this up. Harris, Biden and other Democratic luminaries did NOT and do not constantly denigrate and vilify half the voting populace.

I do, though. But I’m just some rando on the internet.

 

[Elixir]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

It’s funny how you dreamed this up. Harris, Biden and other Democratic luminaries did NOT and do not constantly denigrate and vilify half the voting populace.

I do, though. But I’m just sone rando on the internet.

It’s apparently Emily’s mission to save us from the temptation to be just like Trump and his deplorable trumpsuckers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

Sorry, we are too busy looting and burning the nation down to get back to your post.

 

[pood]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

It is funny how Trumpistan’s constant denigration and vilification of half the populace seems okie-doke to you, though.

And that blue-state half of the populace which subsidizes the red-state rednecks now needs to secede from the union.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The new Confederacy begins.

Will be real interested to see the link here and how the messages were sent to particular people.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Then there are people who take him both seriously and literally... and those are the ones I worry about.

That's probably 99.99% of those who voted for him.

Nice to know that you think over 73 million people in the US fall into that category.

I Dems ever want to win another election, they and their supporters really need to acknowledge that the constant denigration and vilification of half the voting populace is a big part of the problem.

It’s funny how you dreamed this up. Harris, Biden and other Democratic luminaries did NOT and do not constantly denigrate and vilify half the voting populace.

I do, though. But I’m just sone rando on the internet.

It’s apparently Emily’s mission to save us from the temptation to be just like Trump and his deplorable trumpsuckers.

Maybe. Likely just bias and projection.

(I got the sarcasm.)

 

[pood]

Let’s see, red-state rednecks call half the population libtards, commies, freaks, childless cat ladies, enemies of the people, queers, fags, the N-word, and so much more.

And who’s vilifying whom?

How about let’s all us libtards, commies, freaks, childless cat ladies, enemies of the people, queers, fags, the N-word and so on, take our ball and go home by setting up our own nation, and leaving the red-state rednecks to wallow in their own white-trash depravity, hmm?