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Politesse said:
It is safer to live next to a well-run nuclear facility than next to a coal-fired smoker. But an aging one, running on rapidly corroding 70s technology and built on top of an active earthquake fault?
Nuclear accidents are extremely rare and almost always not dangerous to anyone outside the facility, so yes, I would say it's pretty safe or else there aren't many such facilities, at least not where there are earthquakes big enough to threaten them seriously - except really big earthquakes if one happens, but then, a nuclear accident is a small worry by comparison, since people are vastly more likely to die crushed by their own home collapsing on them.

In any event, that is no good reason to oppose new nuclear reactors built with current technology, which are indeed very safe, not to mention better for the environment than any alternatives.
 
Safety is a relative term. It is safer to live next to a well-run nuclear facility than next to a coal-fired smoker. But an aging one, running on rapidly corroding 70s technology and built on top of an active earthquake fault? Maybe not so safe.
A power plant built in the 70s is not necessarily "rapidly corroding". Is the "earthquake fault" a reference to Fukushima? Nobody died as a result of it. And even if we count in Chernobyl, nuclear power is still safest.
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Again, there's a question of where democratic voters live, and what the world looks like from that vantage point. When liberal voters say they don't like nuclear power, I don't think replacing them with very carbon-heavy alternatives is quite what they are aiming for(even if that is the practical outcone).
Whatever they are aiming for, if that is the result in the real world, that has to be taken into account.
Germany’s green dreams run into climate change reality: Berlin’s commitment to stay nuclear free complicates Europe’s push to lower emissions.

If your response to Fukushima and Chernobyl is "why would anyone be concerned about that", I suspect you are incapable of comprehending the answer.
 
Switching to Thorium is a good move: if only we could make it work. There are a number of projects around the world, but none have become fully commercially successful. However, unlike Fusion, which is always 20 years away, there's a whole host of engineers who believe that Thorium power can be achieved with strong effort in a matter of years. The main technical limitation is that Thorium is more stable (less radioactive) than Uranium, and so is more difficult to start on its path to radioactive decay.
Fission and decay are completely different things. Thorium is no harder to fission than uranium. And neither is particularly prone to decay - the commonly found isotopes of both are very long lived (if they weren't, there wouldn't be any left to mine).
Advantages of Thorium:
It is more plentiful than Uranium
True, but as neither is scarce, not really important.
It decays into non-radioactive products, greatly reducing nuclear waste
Decay is irrelevant. Thorium fission generates radioactive daughter nuclei, just like uranium fission does.
It does not produce by products that can be used in nuclear weapons, allowing any country to use it without proliferation risks.
True, but then, nor do well designed uranium power reactors. Making weapons grade fissile materials and generating electricity are different things, and it turns out that trying to do both in the same reactor isn't very effective as a means of doing either.

However the main reason that thorium power wasn't pursued in the 1950s and '60s is it's lack of weapons potential - which is the same reason that molten (uranium) salt reactors weren't pursued at that time.

A lot of Generation I reactors were designed to make plutonium for bombs, as well as making electricity; But it became clear very quickly that if you want plutonium, you are better off with a specifically designed plutonium production reactor, and if you want electricity, you are better off with a specifically designed power reactor.

No nuclear power state, outside the permanent members of the UN security council, has ever made a nuclear bomb using a reactor that also generates electricity. Proliferation of nuclear weapons via electricity generating reactors is a mythical monster, not a real concern. You might as well worry that vaccines cause autism, or that shipping might be imperilled by sailing too close to the edge of the world.
It is less radioactive by itself, which makes it easier and safer to mine, process and use.
Natural uranium isn't very radioactive, and is an alpha emitter. It's pretty much harmless - indeed, it makes excellent radiation shielding.
India, with its large reserves of Thorium and huge energy needs, is taking the lead on research, with many other countries following.

Yang is very correct. The advantages of Thorium almost completely cancel out most people's concerns with nuclear power.
As do the advantages of uranium. The only benefit of thorium in this regard is that people have heard of uranium and already decided it's evil. But neither is actually evil, or dangerous, or even problematic, as energy sources go.
I read once that the USA has enough Thorium that can easily be extracted from discarded mine tailings to last for centuries, let alone if we start mining it on purpose.

The USA also has a glut of uranium and plutonium. Fuel scarcity and/or cost isn't a problem, and likely never will be, for ANY fission technology.
 
A power plant built in the 70s is not necessarily "rapidly corroding". Is the "earthquake fault" a reference to Fukushima? Nobody died as a result of it. And even if we count in Chernobyl, nuclear power is still safest.
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Whatever they are aiming for, if that is the result in the real world, that has to be taken into account.
Germany’s green dreams run into climate change reality: Berlin’s commitment to stay nuclear free complicates Europe’s push to lower emissions.

If your response to Fukushima and Chernobyl is "why would anyone be concerned about that", I suspect you are incapable of comprehending the answer.

If you think accidents with a death toll of zero are a concern in the nuclear industry, but that accidents with a death toll of one are a cost of doing business in the solar and wind industries, then it's going to be very difficult to have a conversation with you about risk from electricity generation that isn't driven by pure prejudice.

The same is true if you feel that the ONLY accident in sixty years of nuclear power generation worldwide that caused fatalities is more significant than the dozens of equally fatal (or even more fatal) accidents a year in other industrial facilities.

Chernobyl killed between one and two hundred people.

In terms of fatalities, it's a medium sized industrial accident. In terms of land contaminated, its a small industrial accident. In terms of long term health impact, it's a small industrial accident.

Do you remember the leak of methyl isocyanate from the Union Carbide plant at Bhopal? It was contemporary with Chernobyl; FAR worse on every one of the above measures; And has largely been forgotten. Despite being the worst industrial accident in history, dwarfing every nuclear accident put together.

Risk analysis has to be relative. Absolute risk of zero isn't achievable, ever, for any industry. So it's a case of not having to be perfect, but having to be better than the alternatives.

Nuclear power is the most dangerous way to make electricity - apart from ALL the others.

Sure, we should be concerned about nuclear safety. But only if we are MORE concerned about the safety of all the other technologies used to make electricity, and all the other technologies used for any industrial process. Singling out one of the safest technologies for special concern is literally insane.
 
Back on topic please

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Moreso than in previous years, the gap between the demographics likely to be captured by polling metrics and the demographics that actually vote is large enough to throw polling numbers into serious doubt across the board. You can take them for what they are; measures of sentiments expressed by certain segments of a population at certain times.

This is especially true for primary elections. Primaries are uniquely unsuited for national polling for two reasons: (1) they are not decided by national vote, and (2) the results of later states are profoundly affected by the results of earlier states.
 
What Howard Schultz never understood about America - The Washington Post
Schultz would have been a candidate right out of elite central casting. A former chief executive of a trendy and progressive company, he echoed the establishment worldview to the letter. He was cautiously centrist on economics, with a tilt toward the market, and cautiously center-left on social issues, without the stridency of the progressive left. The elite media set and D.C. backrooms are swamped with people who hold those views.
But there aren't that many such people in the overall electorate. Only 18% of voters liked neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump. Only 4% are economically conservative and socially liberal. Also, most people who are economically centrist and socially liberal are firm Democrats.
This suggests that the Schultz constituency, such as it is, is identical to the Biden constituency. That is, there is no large group of educated moderates who are swinging between the two parties and are looking for a third-party candidate.
 
First Theresa May, now Angela Merkel, I'm predicting it: before the primary season is over Biden will refer to every female politician as Margaret Thatcher at least once

 
First Theresa May, now Angela Merkel, I'm predicting it: before the primary season is over Biden will refer to every female politician as Margaret Thatcher at least once


You can't fool us. We know you have a big Biden 2020 board in your front yard. :D
 
First Theresa May, now Angela Merkel, I'm predicting it: before the primary season is over Biden will refer to every female politician as Margaret Thatcher at least once


You can't fool us. We know you have a big Biden 2020 board in your front yard. :D

Well sure, who doesn't, but using it for target practice doesn't count as 'support'. ;)
 
If Biden is the best the Dems can do, then the Trumpet is assured of re-election. I still believe it's all a front and the real contender will be Killery, and she'll lose again big time.
 
If Biden is the best the Dems can do, then the Trumpet is assured of re-election. I still believe it's all a front and the real contender will be Killery, and she'll lose again big time.

Well, you're entitled to your stupid opinion.
 
Texas can go blue in 2020.

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But it needs to be said:

Report: More than 1600 Polling Places Have Closed Since the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act


In 2013, the Supreme Court gutted a core provision of the Voting Rights Act: The requirement for certain states with a history of voter discrimination to “preclear” changes in their election rules with the federal government. For decades, the 1965 law helped secure the right to vote for hundreds of thousands of people in nine states, as well as certain jurisdictions in six other states, which had such a history of discrimination against minority voters. But in the 5-4 decision in Shelby County v. Holder, the court ruled that the coverage formula for determining those jurisdictions subject to preclearance was outdated and therefore unconstitutional.

The consequences of the Shelby County decision were immediate: States that had previously fallen under the jurisdiction of the VRA immediately passed tough voter restriction laws and restructured election systems. But a new report released today by the civil rights coalition The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights adds another dimension to the picture of how this 2013 ruling has undermined voter access by analyzing the number of polling place that have been closed since the ruling. According to the report, entitled “Democracy Diverted: Polling Place Closures and the Right to Vote,” 1,688 polling places are now shuttered in those areas. The report, which is a follow-up to a 2016 analysis, looked at 757 counties and found that 298 of them, or 39 percent, reduced their number of polling places between 2012 and 2018.

Number of polling place closures by states previously subject to the provisions of the Act:

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If Biden is the best the Dems can do, then the Trumpet is assured of re-election. I still believe it's all a front and the real contender will be Killery, and she'll lose again big time.

Well, you're entitled to your stupid opinion.

Remains to be seen. Six months is a lifetime in politics.

I think that you've got a little crush on HRC! But sorry, she's not running.
 
Yea, I'd love to see her get her arse kicked again, but by an even bigger margin!

Have you considered seeing a therapist for this?
Remember, it is Trump Derangement Syndrome to call out his actions with North Korea, he senseless tariff, or his heartless immigration / asylum policy, but the obsession with Clinton is perfectly normal behavior.
 
Also, I would assume "Lock ___ up!!" is more appropriate to the chubby turd who paid, what, a quarter of a million hush money to a porn star and a Playboy model, sides with the Russkies over his intelligence service, threatens and manipulates witnesses to his misdeeds, denies that Congress has subpoena power over his branch, (hypothetically) has tax returns full of prosecutable landmines, repeatedly libeled his Democrat predecessors, shot a man to death in broad daylight on 5th Avenue, and, let's see, what did I leave out?
 
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