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Did I get them backwards?
Cheerful Charlie
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eliz...oe-biden-iowa-poll_n_5d86becbe4b0849d472a37a1
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In the Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom poll, Warren was the first-choice candidate with support from 22% of likely Democratic caucus attendees ― up 7 percentage points since the last poll in June. Biden, who has maintained a slight edge over his opponents in other polling, fell 3 percentage points, bringing him to second place with 20% of their support.
According to the Register, support for Biden has fallen in the Iowa polls since last year.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-Vt.) fell far behind both Warren and Biden in the Saturday’s poll, taking third place at 11% ― down 5 percentage points since June.
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https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3638
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If the 2020 presidential election were held today, 54 percent of registered voters say that they would vote for former Vice President Joe Biden, while only 38 percent would vote for President Trump. Matchups against other top Democrats show:
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In the Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom poll, Warren was the first-choice candidate with support from 22% of likely Democratic caucus attendees ― up 7 percentage points since the last poll in June. Biden, who has maintained a slight edge over his opponents in other polling, fell 3 percentage points, bringing him to second place with 20% of their support.
According to the Register, support for Biden has fallen in the Iowa polls since last year.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-Vt.) fell far behind both Warren and Biden in the Saturday’s poll, taking third place at 11% ― down 5 percentage points since June.
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https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3638
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If the 2020 presidential election were held today, 54 percent of registered voters say that they would vote for former Vice President Joe Biden, while only 38 percent would vote for President Trump. Matchups against other top Democrats show:
- Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders topping Trump 53 - 39 percent;
- Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren ahead of Trump 52 - 40 percent;
- California Sen. Kamala Harris beating Trump 51 - 40 percent;
- South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg leading with 49 percent to Trump's 40 percent.
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Where is the administrative experience and where are the diplomatic chops,
Unless you've commanded you probably aren't qualified for the tough stuff.
And if you aren't familiar with trade and international affairs, personalities, various area needs and priorities you probably won't select top of the line people to help you out.
Among those running no one among the top 10 have other than ceremonial experience as administrators other than Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.
She's got feeling and intensity, but, she also comes across as cynical. He's pretty much a feel good one issue candidate who has good sense. Both will run in to severe headwinds of distrust and resentment.
I disqualify Biden and Bernie as old warrior who should have been there at least eight years ago. My expertise here is that I'm just a tad older than are they and I get tired easily. When I do I sometimes lose a bit of focus. Not something good for a first term head of state.
Warren seems to have the most boxes checked except she's not run a major entity private or public. I harken back to Jimmy Carter who tried to control everything which left him wrapped around the axle for most of his presidency. Shes very capable but that may be the problem both with action and perception by the public. She's the only one who's really shown growth over the cycle though. so ....
The rest are pop figures from this or that agenda group.
I don't really care about whether any of these people are actually liberals, they all are, but, I,do care whether they seem prepared to take risks for what the put forward.
If you check them out all the above are people who will put their principles and plans out there. The others are just shiny things.
Unless you've commanded you probably aren't qualified for the tough stuff.
And if you aren't familiar with trade and international affairs, personalities, various area needs and priorities you probably won't select top of the line people to help you out.
Among those running no one among the top 10 have other than ceremonial experience as administrators other than Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.
She's got feeling and intensity, but, she also comes across as cynical. He's pretty much a feel good one issue candidate who has good sense. Both will run in to severe headwinds of distrust and resentment.
I disqualify Biden and Bernie as old warrior who should have been there at least eight years ago. My expertise here is that I'm just a tad older than are they and I get tired easily. When I do I sometimes lose a bit of focus. Not something good for a first term head of state.
Warren seems to have the most boxes checked except she's not run a major entity private or public. I harken back to Jimmy Carter who tried to control everything which left him wrapped around the axle for most of his presidency. Shes very capable but that may be the problem both with action and perception by the public. She's the only one who's really shown growth over the cycle though. so ....
The rest are pop figures from this or that agenda group.
I don't really care about whether any of these people are actually liberals, they all are, but, I,do care whether they seem prepared to take risks for what the put forward.
If you check them out all the above are people who will put their principles and plans out there. The others are just shiny things.
Cheerful Charlie
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Warren has been a successful Senator. She has been successful in her career prior to her getting into politics. If she wins, she will face misogyny and cries of "Radical!" and "Socialist!" from the Trumpsters. But Trump is so out of tune with so many Americans, he is going to be utterly toxic. With Warren as president, we would see a lot of buffoons, goons and loons Trump has appointed to high office eliminated, and many Americans will vote for her based on that alone. Trump is facing a very bad gender gap, and misogynist attacks on Warren will backfire spectacularly. His statements that gutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid as a 2021 project if he gets re-elected will come back to haunt him. Trump's climate change denial is going to be an election issue as well.
Then there are his many accumulating legal issues.
Then there are his many accumulating legal issues.
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It's a forgone conclusion then isn't it. The USA will have a socialist President in 2020 according to those polls. And we all know how accurate polls are, right!
Seeing as not a single US Presidential candidate is running on a socialist platform, no. By the way "socialist", and "someone SKY News tells me I should disagree with", are two very different things.
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They wouldn't dare run on a socialist platform, except perhaps Sanders. Middle America would never vote socialist even if their life depended on it!
Yet everyone is a socialist in your world. Huh.
Harry Bosch
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I think that Warren's belief that nuclear power is evil is equivalent to Trump's climate change denial. I can't support any politician who either doesn't understand science or would manipulate it's conclusions to gain political support.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/09/21/Booker-looks-to-drop-out-of-race-if-fundraising-falls-short/2751569085711/
When will some of the other candidates who aren't rising do the rational thing and drop out?
When will some of the other candidates who aren't rising do the rational thing and drop out?
Elixir
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I find it very disheartening that by now, we still have yet to hear this from any candidate: "I am discontinuing my own campaign for President so that I can help candidate X win the nomination."
All the Dem prospects seem to be in it for themselves.
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No, you got them stupid.
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That's about the only point I disagree with her on. Education is key to changing her mind, it's what worked for me.
I doubt she'll change her campaign platform on this. But maybe her mind could be changed on it if she gets elected.
Cheerful Charlie
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Four have dropped out already. More will do so, by and by, have a little patience. I suspect by November a few more will drop out. When the chances of victory have gone and the money dries up they will be forced to give up. By March 2020, only the top two or three will remain after Super Tuesday.
It may be too early for that. But I could see one of Bernie or Warren doing that near the end so the other can take down Biden or whoever the corporate Democrat leading the field at the end is. I could also see Yang doing that if his numbers stay low and another candidate adopts UBI into their platform. He has said he's in it for the issues moreso than for himself as leader. I think Warren and Bernie may be the same. Bernie wouldn't quit in 2016 because that meant Hillary (who adopted some but not enough of his policy positions). He campaigned for her in the end only because they were up against Trump.
Jason Harvestdancer
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We agree they are pretty stupid, but they are your candidates.
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De Blasio Quits Presidential Race; Trump Gloats - The New York Times - last Friday
Though Bill de Blasio positioned himself as an urban liberal who knew how to take on Donald Trump, his candidacy never attracted much attention or many voters.
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Oh no, really big political news, perhaps the biggest story in years! Part time Mayor of New York City, @BilldeBlasio, who was polling at a solid ZERO but had tremendous room for growth, has shocking dropped out of the Presidential race. NYC is devastated, he’s coming home!" / Twitter
He will never be known for being very gracious, though he'd brag about how no one is more gracious than he is.
Cory Booker warns presidential campaign could end soon without fundraising surge. - if he does not raise $1.7 million by the end of September, that will be it for his campaign.
Though Bill de Blasio positioned himself as an urban liberal who knew how to take on Donald Trump, his candidacy never attracted much attention or many voters.
However,
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Oh no, really big political news, perhaps the biggest story in years! Part time Mayor of New York City, @BilldeBlasio, who was polling at a solid ZERO but had tremendous room for growth, has shocking dropped out of the Presidential race. NYC is devastated, he’s coming home!" / Twitter
He will never be known for being very gracious, though he'd brag about how no one is more gracious than he is.
Cory Booker warns presidential campaign could end soon without fundraising surge. - if he does not raise $1.7 million by the end of September, that will be it for his campaign.
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Sadly, that leaves almost no politicians anywhere in the world who you can support.
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Just what I've been thinking after all these 'brave' people stepping forward to promoted moderation while soft peddling hateful effects of tribalism. Never look to one running for office to be up front waving radical banners, even good ones.
To your views I mostly agree. No choice actually. Except for up front design thinking and after use disposal planning nuclear is, by far, the best alternative we currently have in front of us.
See. I can be rational too.
To your views I mostly agree. No choice actually. Except for up front design thinking and after use disposal planning nuclear is, by far, the best alternative we currently have in front of us.
See. I can be rational too.