Democrats should be fighting a class war and NOT a cutural war

[RVonse]

Also, I wasn't aware there was an easy fix to homelessness.

What would be wrong with an FDR style jobs program to build high rise towers in skid row California? That at least gets them out of their tents.

 

[RVonse]

I think we need to understand why the GOP is getting a pass here. So many on the street are mentally ill and are on the streets in main part due to Reagan closing off the hospitals needed for those people. Now that is a legacy of the GOP... but no. We need to read about how the Democrats aren't doing enough to address ills in our society the GOP is completely ignoring.

And instead, we hear you, inexplicably complaining about Ukraine. A nation that was invaded as a stepping stone. No, instead of trying to deal with that, you want to Neville Chamberlin it, assuming the Russia going into the other Sat states won't happen, Putin will be happy with the Sudetenlands.

The GOP want to cut the major lifelines remaining in the US, Social Security and Medicare. They tried to scam the nation into a privatization of a portion of Social Security! But no, you want to complain about the Democrats not doing enough.

The Democrats aren't doing enough. This is a Democrat party core value and they are sitting on their hands. Therefore it should be up to the Democrat voters to hold them accountable.

If the Republicans and their voters were advertising compasion for the helpless I would be getting on their case too. But they have never said any of that at least in my lifetime.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Also, I wasn't aware there was an easy fix to homelessness.

What would be wrong with an FDR style jobs program to build high rise towers in skid row California? That at least gets them out of their tents.

I can only imagine TSwizzle's posts after Newsom announces that plan. High rises? Why high rises? Where high rises? You do realize this will require more than metal and steel, right? You need to food and cloth them. Need jobs. Otherwise, simply confining the disabled, mentally ill, drug addicts, and otherwise homeless into a small tight area really seems like a really stupid idea.

We see how having a "roof over your head" isn't as huge as it sounds when it isn't a safe living space. I mean, look at the Ukrainians. They have roofs over their heads too.

 

[RVonse]

All of them?

Of course we should help all of them. The disabled might not be able to be productive members of society but we should at least give them somewhere better to live than a tent city.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think we need to understand why the GOP is getting a pass here. So many on the street are mentally ill and are on the streets in main part due to Reagan closing off the hospitals needed for those people. Now that is a legacy of the GOP... but no. We need to read about how the Democrats aren't doing enough to address ills in our society the GOP is completely ignoring.

And instead, we hear you, inexplicably complaining about Ukraine. A nation that was invaded as a stepping stone. No, instead of trying to deal with that, you want to Neville Chamberlin it, assuming the Russia going into the other Sat states won't happen, Putin will be happy with the Sudetenlands.

The GOP want to cut the major lifelines remaining in the US, Social Security and Medicare. They tried to scam the nation into a privatization of a portion of Social Security! But no, you want to complain about the Democrats not doing enough.

The Democrats aren't doing enough. This is a Democrat party core value and they are sitting on their hands. Therefore it should be up to the Democrat voters to hold them accountable.

Any time that happens, people like George W. Bush and Trump get elected into the White House. Us liberals have no party, so we are forced to vote for the party that isn't composed almost entirely of a bunch of spiteful assholes.

If the Republicans and their voters were advertising compasion for the helpless I would be getting on their case too. But they have never said any of that at least in my lifetime.

This has got to be one of the worst arguments I've seen made here. It isn't washer and paper loop bad, but fuck... this is pretty bad. No one could be this fucking naïve.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

All of them?

Of course we should help all of them. The disabled might not be able to be productive members of society but we should at least give them somewhere better to live than a tent city.

"All of them" as in all nations have this issue of homelessness.

 

[RVonse]

Also, I wasn't aware there was an easy fix to homelessness.

What would be wrong with an FDR style jobs program to build high rise towers in skid row California? That at least gets them out of their tents.

I can only imagine TSwizzle's posts after Newsom announces that plan. High rises? Why high rises? Where high rises? You do realize this will require more than metal and steel, right? You need to food and cloth them. Need jobs. Otherwise, simply confining the disabled, mentally ill, drug addicts, and otherwise homeless into a small tight area really seems like a really stupid idea.

We see how having a "roof over your head" isn't as huge as it sounds when it isn't a safe living space. I mean, look at the Ukrainians. They have roofs over their heads too.

You asked me how I would fix the problem and the first obvious thing to do is put a real roof over your head. After you get them living (and shitting) in real toilets you can address other problems. But a real place to live has to come first.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Also, I wasn't aware there was an easy fix to homelessness.

What would be wrong with an FDR style jobs program to build high rise towers in skid row California? That at least gets them out of their tents.

I can only imagine TSwizzle's posts after Newsom announces that plan. High rises? Why high rises? Where high rises? You do realize this will require more than metal and steel, right? You need to food and cloth them. Need jobs. Otherwise, simply confining the disabled, mentally ill, drug addicts, and otherwise homeless into a small tight area really seems like a really stupid idea.

We see how having a "roof over your head" isn't as huge as it sounds when it isn't a safe living space. I mean, look at the Ukrainians. They have roofs over their heads too.

You asked me how I would fix the problem...

And it wasn't a good idea, nor was it a feasible one. Don't be grumpy that your bad and poorly thought out "idea" sucked.

...and the first obvious thing to do is put a real roof over your head. After you get them living (and shitting) in real toilets you can address other problems. But a real place to live has to come first.

The other problems have to be addressed in REAL TIME. You don't build 10 high rises in the most expensive areas in California and then let things settle for a few months, and then address issues like "eating".

 

[Elixir]

After you get them living (and shitting) in real toilets you can address other problems.

“Other problems”?
I’m having a hard time envisioning the sequel to getting them to live in real toilets. Seems like anything further would be anticlimactic. But it would be consilient with RW “solutions” to social problems.

 

[RVonse]

"All of them" as in all nations have this issue of homelessness.

Please correct me if I am wrong but you have to go to some of the poorest places in India or Africa to see more homeless than in skid row Los Angeles. I grew up in a small town which at the time seemed big to me with a poplution of 10,000. It just blows my mind that there are more than 5 times that amount of homeless living in tents in skid row city right now. All happening in the same nation having the resources for 100's of military bases to police the world during at every turn of event.

 

[RVonse]

and then address issues like "eating".

Eating did not occur to me because most American's are overweight and not dying of starvation. That being said, if there are disabled people needing food we could and should provide that too.

I obviously don't know every small detail what needs to be done. But it is also obvious there is a big problem that should be easily fixed that isn't getting done. So if the current crop of politicians aren't able or capable of fixing such serious issues its up to the people to replace them with other leaders who are more effective. That is how our goverment is supposed to work isn't it?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"All of them" as in all nations have this issue of homelessness.

Please correct me if I am wrong but you have to go to some of the poorest places in India or Africa to see more homeless than in skid row Los Angeles.

You are wrong.

I grew up in a small town which at the time seemed big to me with a poplution of 10,000. It just blows my mind that there are more than 5 times that amount of homeless living in tents in skid row city right now. All happening in the same nation having the resources for 100's of military bases to police the world during at every turn of event.

Are you just recognizing that homelessness exists in cities (and elsewhere)?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

and then address issues like "eating".

Eating did not occur to me because most American's are overweight and not dying of starvation.

Yes, America is awash with overweight homeless people. My brain hurts.

I obviously don't know every small detail what needs to be done.

Clothes, food, security aren't "small details".

You are talking about how you'd know how to coach a football team better by ensuring access to footballs.

 

[Politesse]

You are talking about how you'd know how to coach a football team better by ensuring access to footballs.

I mean, you'd be surprised, when it comes to homelessness, how many people seem to think you don't need affordable houses to solve it...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You are talking about how you'd know how to coach a football team better by ensuring access to footballs.

I mean, you'd be surprised, when it comes to homelessness, how many people seem to think you don't need affordable houses to solve it...

Instead of solve, I'd saying to "partially address". "Solving" homelessness is a bit like solving "poverty".

 

[Politesse]

You are talking about how you'd know how to coach a football team better by ensuring access to footballs.

I mean, you'd be surprised, when it comes to homelessness, how many people seem to think you don't need affordable houses to solve it...

Instead of solve, I'd saying to "partially address". "Solving" homelessness is a bit like solving "poverty".

Maybe... but I mean, there's no reason at all to construct a society in which anyone cannot be housed. There are plenty of societies in the world wherein such a situation is at least a rarity, and we could choose to be among them if we were serious about it. Ultimately, between roofs and bodies there is a mathematic that can be effectively solved, even if it is much more complicated than a person might think at first blush. I volunteer at a soup kitchen my church sponsors every do often, and many of students are homeless as well (I teach at a community college), so I have a lot of opportunities to hear people's stories. While people's stories of homelessness are unique to themselves and as distinct as their lives, at least ninety percent of the time a turning point in that story was "and I couldn't afford rent anymore". But even the local "liberals" clutch their pearls at the thought of more affordable housing (or even mental and physical health services that serve the poor, even though illness is their favorite scapegoat) in "their neighborhood". Which is a serious problem locally in that the monied classes basically seem to imagine the entire nine-county area of the San Francisco Bay to be "their neighborhood". Drives me insane. RVonse is wrong about many things in this thread, but not about the fundamental hypocrisies of this uniquely American rendition of a left wing. A political "left" that has been purged of almost all socialist thinking is really a left at all if you ask me, but it's all we have at the institutional level in this nation.

 

[Patooka]

So let's see if I've got this straight;

Republicans stand for nothing and as a result are incapable of fixing anything. Therefore it makes perfect sense to be solely critical of the other political party that has at least a snowball's chance of fixing homelessness in the US.

That is without a doubt the most retarded political opinion I've ever heard.

 

[Jarhyn]

Private parties: "charity is to be done by private parties"

Also Private parties: "why should I be expected to help them?"

 

[Jarhyn]

So let's see if I've got this straight;

Republicans stand for nothing and as a result are incapable of fixing anything. Therefore it makes perfect sense to be solely critical of the other political party that has at least a snowball's chance of fixing homelessness in the US.

That is without a doubt the most retarded Ignorant political opinion I've ever heard.

I've known plenty of mentally challenged folks who have far more apt political opinions. Even the mentally challenged can be politically informed.

 

[laughing dog]

Um, because there was no plan to do so before Russia invaded the Ukraine. Before the Ukrainian conflict there was nothing stopping Congress from doing what you say should be done (except Republican obstructionism in the Senate).

The current house budget ostensibly would have been their reason. The fact that we don't tax enough to cover what government spends each year.

You persist in ignoring the literal elephant in the room - the GOP. Deficit spending is not a constraint here - it is the GOP and, quite frankly, a lack of groundswell support for your views.

But then somehow, someway we spend (or plan to spend) 5 times the amount that could fix the homeless problem. All in the name of defense. How (as a citizen of the US) is my life endangered by NOT spending this money in Urkraine? If anything, I have read how my life might be endangered (by nukes) since they have entered into this conflict.

I get your isolationist point of view, but it is not a majority view. Apparently our fellow citizens as a group approve of us aiding the Ukrainian people in the fight against a barbaric invader.

And then while this is happening the US has physically disabled camps who are homeless living in skid row California. What kind of country does not help their physically disabled people?!! Nearly 20% of the population in skid row is disabled and we should all be embarrased about this. I think we deserve to know why the Democratic party of compassion was so silent giving all this money away to Ukraine when the need was so great right here in the US.

I agree. We should be embarrassed about this. For some obscure reason, you wish to place the entire responsibility on the federal gov't's failure to act on the Democrats. This is fascinating, given your support for the Mr. Trump who never indicated any inclination to improve the social safety net.

Indeed, even China has a better plan to house their citizens than the US. We could use one of their high rise ghost towns right in the middle of skid row right now. At least people would have a roof over their heads.

You are mistaken about China's plans to house their citizens.