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Dictatorship is neither left nor right

You're forgetting, unter doesn't believe a democracy can injure a minority.

And a dictator can't? And a dictator is not more likely to do injury?

I never denied that a dictator could wrongly injure someone. You have denied that a democracy could.

I have said dictatorship is illegitimate and democracy is always preferable to dictatorship for that reason.

And I have said there is no history of a super majority ever taking the rights of people away.

To think they will is an irrational fear.

As far as this thread the point is there is no such thing as a right wing dictatorship or a left wing dictatorship.

Wings exist where there is democracy and ideas compete for supremacy.

That all ends with dictatorship.
 
While dictators aren't actually left or right they will generally maintain an illusion of being one or the other.
 
Bullshit.

In the US the majority last gave us the Civil Rights act.

It has expanded rights.

It has not curtailed them.

The civil rights act was approved by less than 400 people.

Yes. That is how it was approved. A majority vote. Democracy not dictatorship.

Democratic means.

They are not dangerous to anybodies rights.

What is dangerous to rights is always some minority wanting more rights for themselves.
 
Yes. That is how it was approved. A majority vote. Democracy not dictatorship.

400 people is not a majority of the US population.

In the months leading up to the bill being signed on July 2, there was support for the act, but still a third opposed the bill. One month after its passage, when the implementation phase began, support was just more than 50%, with nearly 1 in five voicing uncertainty about the bill. The civil rights movement itself was viewed with suspicion by many Americans. In 1965, in the midst of the Cold War, a plurality of Americans believed that civil rights organizations had been infiltrated by communists, with almost a fifth of the country unsure as to whether or not they had been compromised.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/blog/public-opinion-civil-rights-reflections-civil-rights-act-1964-blog

Support for the Civil Rights Act was over 50%.

It is now well over 50% and safe.

It would have been higher if Americans were not knee jerk ignoramuses that opposed anything if a Communist was in favor of it.
 
It was still just under 400 people who voted to pass the bill, and one person who signed it. It was not passed by plebiscite.

400 out of what?

It was a majority not a minority.

And for once US democracy worked.

The majority in Congress actually reflected a majority in the nation.

That one person signed it is a reflection of a Constitution that separated power. But not far enough.

That the executive is one person is not a good idea.

Better for it to be a democratic body.
 
It was still just under 400 people who voted to pass the bill, and one person who signed it. It was not passed by plebiscite.

400 out of what?

It was a majority not a minority.

And for once US democracy worked.

The majority in Congress actually reflected a majority in the nation.

That one person signed it is a reflection of a Constitution that separated power. But not far enough.

That the executive is one person is not a good idea.

Better for it to be a democratic body.

It was 400 people who voted for it in a nation of millions. 400 people are less than 1% of that.
 
It was still just under 400 people who voted to pass the bill, and one person who signed it. It was not passed by plebiscite.

400 out of what?

It was a majority not a minority.

And for once US democracy worked.

The majority in Congress actually reflected a majority in the nation.

That one person signed it is a reflection of a Constitution that separated power. But not far enough.

That the executive is one person is not a good idea.

Better for it to be a democratic body.

It was 400 people who voted for it in a nation of millions. 400 people are less than 1% of that.

The nation did not vote on it.

But the majority was in favor of it.

Representative democracy is supposed to work on democratic principles. It is a weakened form of democracy and can fail.

But the 400 was a majority of the people voting. Not a minority.
 
It was 400 people who voted for it in a nation of millions. 400 people are less than 1% of that.

The nation did not vote on it.

There you go, thanks for the admission. It wasn't a majority that voted on it.

No.

But of the people who voted on it a majority vote decided in favor of freedom. And this vote reflected opinion in the nation as a whole.

Your fears of majorities trampling freedoms are insane delusions.
 
There you go, thanks for the admission. It wasn't a majority that voted on it.

No.

But of the people who voted on it a majority vote decided in favor of freedom.

So when elected representatives vote for something, that is democracy in action, such as Jim Crow Laws.

Slavery was a system inflicted upon the majority by a minority.

It enabled a minority to become extremely wealthy and control politics for centuries.

It enabled a minority to become extremely powerful in other words.

Even when the US was founded women and black men were excluded from the process.

So basically a minority was able to over time instill racial prejudice into generation after generation.

To see Jim Crow laws as an expression of a majority is ridiculous.
 
To see Jim Crow laws as an expression of a majority is ridiculous.

So according to you, when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed the Civil Rights Act, that was Democracy, but when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed Jim Crow, that was not Democracy.

And I have said there is no history of a super majority ever taking the rights of people away.

That's because every time someone presented an example, you said it wasn't "real democracy."

I think I've proven my case.
 
So according to you, when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed the Civil Rights Act, that was Democracy, but when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed Jim Crow, that was not Democracy.

You seem to think being born into a society where racial segregation was legal and racial prejudice was widespread and cultural accepted is meaningless.

Yes when a minority inflicted the society with slavery it led to horrible cultural effects like widespread racial hatred. And these effects polluted the culture for centuries and still pollute the culture.

All the work of a minority that wanted racially based slavery.

You are not giving an example of some problem initiated by a majority.

I don't care how much you jump around and wave your arms.

Slavery and then racial hatreds were the result of a minority.

But a majority gave us the Civil Rights Act and moved us a little bit away from the ignorance and hatred that is US history.
 
So according to you, when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed the Civil Rights Act, that was Democracy, but when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed Jim Crow, that was not Democracy.

You seem to think being born into a society where racial segregation was legal and racial prejudice was widespread and cultural accepted is meaningless.

If it was "culturally accepted" that means the majority accepted it. Then enacted it through their elected reps. Which, if you were consistent, would meet your definition of Democracy.

By the way, I'm not discussing slavery, I'm discussing Jim Crow. There is certainly a connection, but they are not the same thing. You show your ignorance every time you make that mistake.
 
So according to you, when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed the Civil Rights Act, that was Democracy, but when the elected officials (elected by a majority in their districts) passed Jim Crow, that was not Democracy.

You seem to think being born into a society where racial segregation was legal and racial prejudice was widespread and cultural accepted is meaningless.

If it was "culturally accepted" that means the majority accepted it.

A minority inflicted the nation with racial slavery and all that it entailed.

A majority had nothing to do with it.

You are not making any criticism of democracy.

You are saying that slavery and all that comes from it is bad.

No shit.
 
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