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This is a slap in the face of that little girl's family!

Myon Burrell Leaves Prison After Life Sentence Commuted To 20 Years

The Minnesota Board of Pardons has commuted the life sentence of Myon Burrell to 20 years. Burrell was sentenced to life in prison for the killing of a little girl hit by a stray bullet in Minneapolis in 2002.
The remainder of Burrell’s sentence will be served on supervised release, effective immediately.

18 years in prison for murder is hardly adequate.

There were two members of the board of pardons making the decision: Gov. Tim Walz and Attorney General Keith Ellison. A third member — Chief Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Lorie Gildea — recused herself because she had been involved in the case.

I should have known that NoI sympathizer Keith Ellison is behind this. Myon Burell is a Muslim himself, so of course he is on his side. Walz is just an invertebrate life form, probably the same species as the spineless mayor of Portland.

And don't give me the silly claims that he might be innocent. That banger is guilty as hell.

The murder of 11-year-old Tyesha Edwards by Myon Burrell

SAY HER NAME! TYESHA EDWARDS!
 
Turning to the OP content, Mr. Burrell was convicted when he was 14 years old.

From the linked OP article
Current Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, who was in that position during the 2008 trial, has filed a motion saying he would support Burrell’s 45-year-to-life sentence being shortened.....
Both the Hennepin County Attorney and the report of experts cite new research and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that says the mind of teenagers are not fully developed. The report does not make a conclusion on his guilt or innocence but says he should not be in prison anymore.

Seems to me that it is cruel and unusual punishment to sentence any 14 year old to 45 years to life.


The rest of the OP is pure bilious conjecture about the motives and character of the Mn AG and the Mn Governor that reflects more on the OP poster than the situation.
 
Turning to the OP content, Mr. Burrell was convicted when he was 14 years old.

From the linked OP article
Current Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, who was in that position during the 2008 trial, has filed a motion saying he would support Burrell’s 45-year-to-life sentence being shortened.....
Both the Hennepin County Attorney and the report of experts cite new research and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that says the mind of teenagers are not fully developed. The report does not make a conclusion on his guilt or innocence but says he should not be in prison anymore.

Seems to me that it is cruel and unusual punishment to sentence any 14 year old to 45 years to life.


The rest of the OP is pure bilious conjecture about the motives and character of the Mn AG and the Mn Governor that reflects more on the OP poster than the situation.
Only 11 year olds are children apparently, not 16 year olds.

If there's no reason to consider whether Burrell was innocent or not - despite a lengthy investigation concluding that he was - then there's not much to discuss with Derec here anyway.
 
Turning to the OP content, Mr. Burrell was convicted when he was 14 years old.

16. Not 14. Old enough to know that shooting at gang rivals is a serious crime.

The rest of the OP is pure bilious conjecture about the motives and character of the Mn AG and the Mn Governor that reflects more on the OP poster than the situation.

Neither has much of a character. Walz is bending over for #BLMers (#BLM supports the murderer and not the victim) who burned down and looted the city of Minneapolis this Summer. Keith Ellison is a Muslim radical who has been supporting Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam. Both are disgraceful!
 
Only 11 year olds are children apparently, not 16 year olds.

16 year olds are not really children. They are minors but there is a huge difference in development between 11 and 16.

And the 11 year old sat at her desk minding her own business, while the 16 year old was shooting at a gang rival. Of course #BLM is on the side of the thug, as usual.

If there's no reason to consider whether Burrell was innocent or not - despite a lengthy investigation concluding that he was -

That lengthy "investigation" is on the levels of claims of fraud by Giuliani et al. It was debunked by Hennepin County DA's office report I linked to. For example, Myon apologists claim that he was at a store. But that's not what he claimed initially. He first claimed that he was not even in Minneapolis, then he said that he was playing video games. The grocery store story came only recently and conveniently way too late for there to be any video evidence. If he was really at the store, why didn't he say that right away?

It is pretty much certain that he is guilty. Certainly well beyond a reasonable doubt. But taking the side of black murderers is fashionable in certain circles these days because of #BLM. Michael Brown is a gentle giant, Mumia Abu Jamal is an innocent journalist and Myon Burell is Schrödinger's gang banger who was in three different places at the same time, just not where he really was, in front of Tyesha Edward's house, shooting at a guy who belonged to a rival gang. :rolleyes:
 
Turning to the OP content, Mr. Burrell was convicted when he was 14 years old.

16. Not 14. Old enough to know that shooting at gang rivals is a serious crime.
20 years is serious time. 16 year olds are children too.

Neither has much of a character. Walz is bending over for #BLMers (#BLM supports the murderer and not the victim) who burned down and looted the city of Minneapolis this Summer. Keith Ellison is a Muslim radical who has been supporting Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam. Both are disgraceful!
Again, your evidence-free conjectures reflect more on you than either Mr. Walz or Mr. Eillison. You have not one shred of evidence that either is reacting to #BLM.

And, #BLM did not burn down Minneapolis this summer - much of the damage was done by Proud Boys and out of state jackasses.
 
Only 11 year olds are children apparently, not 16 year olds.

16 year olds are not really children. They are minors but there is a huge difference in development between 11 and 16.

And the 11 year old sat at her desk minding her own business, while the 16 year old was shooting at a gang rival. Of course #BLM is on the side of the thug, as usual.

If there's no reason to consider whether Burrell was innocent or not - despite a lengthy investigation concluding that he was -

That lengthy "investigation" is on the levels of claims of fraud by Giuliani et al. It was debunked by Hennepin County DA's office report I linked to. For example, Myon apologists claim that he was at a store. But that's not what he claimed initially. He first claimed that he was not even in Minneapolis, then he said that he was playing video games. The grocery store story came only recently and conveniently way too late for there to be any video evidence. If he was really at the store, why didn't he say that right away?

It is pretty much certain that he is guilty. Certainly well beyond a reasonable doubt. But taking the side of black murderers is fashioable in certain circles these days because of #BLM. Michael Brown is a gentle giant, Mumia Abu Jamal is an innocent journalist and Myon Burell is Schrödinger's gang ganger who was in three different places at the same time, just not where he really was, in front of Tyesha Edward's house, shooting at a guy who belonged to a rival gang. :rolleyes:

I don't understand your naivety. The death of a black person only matters if you can blame a white person; preferably if the white person is male, a police officer, or part of the heteronormative cis-gendered patriarchy. Come on, man. Go to college.
 
Only 11 year olds are children apparently, not 16 year olds.

16 year olds are not really children. They are minors but there is a huge difference in development between 11 and 16.

And the 11 year old sat at her desk minding her own business, while the 16 year old was shooting at a gang rival. Of course #BLM is on the side of the thug, as usual.

If there's no reason to consider whether Burrell was innocent or not - despite a lengthy investigation concluding that he was -

That lengthy "investigation" is on the levels of claims of fraud by Giuliani et al. It was debunked by Hennepin County DA's office report I linked to. For example, Myon apologists claim that he was at a store. But that's not what he claimed initially. He first claimed that he was not even in Minneapolis, then he said that he was playing video games. The grocery store story came only recently and conveniently way too late for there to be any video evidence. If he was really at the store, why didn't he say that right away?

It is pretty much certain that he is guilty. Certainly well beyond a reasonable doubt. But taking the side of black murderers is fashionable in certain circles these days because of #BLM. Michael Brown is a gentle giant, Mumia Abu Jamal is an innocent journalist and Myon Burell is Schrödinger's gang banger who was in three different places at the same time, just not where he really was, in front of Tyesha Edward's house, shooting at a guy who belonged to a rival gang. :rolleyes:

It's not pretty much certain that he is guilty:

https://apnews.com/article/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038

He has maintained his innocence, multiple witness accounts seem less than credible and the other person convicted with him claims that Burrell wasn't even present during the shooting.

The loss of the child's life is tragic. Burrell was 16 at the time, too young to vote or join the military, have a credit card or even a job without parent's permission. His age difference compared with the victim's is irrelevant since there was never any intention to harm the child who was killed. Two things are relevant: His age at the time the crime was committed was 16--a minor in every respect. Brain science tells us that he was not an adult, not capable of reasoning or behaving like an adult. Moreover, there is significant doubt that he was even present when this crime was committed. The other man convicted claims he was not and Burrell was identified as a participant by a jailed rival who was looking to help himself by identifying someone in this high profile case.

https://apnews.com/article/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038

Tyson and the third man jumped out, cutting through an alley and ducking between houses. Shielded by a wall, Tyson said he could clearly see Oliver standing in the yard across the street with his back turned.

He said he fired off eight rounds, the last few as he was running backward toward the car. It wasn’t until later that evening that he learned one of his bullets killed Tyesha in the house next door.

“There was only one weapon, one set of shells,” said Tyson. “I’m the one that did this. I did this.”

Soon after the shooting, he was telling friends, his attorney, fellow inmates and even a prison guard that Burrell was not at the scene, court records show. But he said his lawyer told him he’d never see the outside of a prison unless he implicated the youth. Eventually he buckled, but only after being promised his plea would not be used against Burrell.

Tyson doesn’t want to name the other man who was with him, saying he doesn’t want to pull in a person who was only peripherally involved.

The getaway driver, Hans Williams, did identify a third man -- by his full name and in a photo lineup. Police initially said they didn’t want to “muddy up the case” with an unverified name, later that they didn’t believe him. They made no real effort to follow up. After getting a denial from the suspect in 2005, the chief homicide detective “permanently checked” out their recorded conversation and gave it to the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office. It has since gone missing.

The gun was never recovered and officers said prints on the magazine and the car were not sufficient for identification. Ballistic tests on Tyson’s jacket were not carried out to verify claims that he was the triggerman.

I think that there's good reason to question his conviction. But even if he were guilty, a 45-life sentence is far too long for a juvenile offender.
 
I don't understand your naivety. The death of a black person only matters if you can blame a white person; preferably if the white person is male, a police officer, or part of the heteronormative cis-gendered patriarchy. Come on, man. Go to college.

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20 years is serious time. 16 year olds are children too.
Not really. They are minors, but not children.
And Myon got out of prison while still young - so I don't think he served enough time.

Again, your evidence-free conjectures reflect more on you than either Mr. Walz or Mr. Eillison. You have not one shred of evidence that either is reacting to #BLM.
Then how do you explain the suspicious timing of the commutation?

And, #BLM did not burn down Minneapolis this summer - much of the damage was done by Proud Boys and out of state jackasses.

Bullshit! There was one Proud Boy who broke some windows. But vast majority of the damage was done by #BLMers and their allies.

Including this arson:
3 men charged relating to arson at Target Headquarters in August
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Don't look much like Proud Boys to me!

Now of course, there are some white arsonists in the bunch too, but there are many #BLM/Antifa activists, so that is hardly surprising.
Example, these pathetic twerps.

Two More Suspects Charged for Burning Down Third Precinct Days After George Floyd’s Death in Minneapolis

Bryce and Dylan already pled guilty. So that's good news.

There is zero evidence that most, or even much, of the wanton destruction in Minneapolis was done by Proud Boys and similar groups.

And then there is non-arson destruction, like this senseless vandalism at a local Target.
BLM vandalism.jpg

Or a guy trying to loot a pawn shop (close to that Target) and getting shot by the owner. Ironically, the owner will not be prosecuted because fellow looters and rioters took all the evidence. Not that the owner should be charged anyway, as he was only trying to defend his property.

Minneapolis Pawn Shop Owner Won’t Be Charged In Man’s Death During George Floyd Unrest

This myth that rioting, looting and arson this Summer (and well beyond the Summer in places like Portland) was not mostly due to Antifa and #BLM is positively Trumpian in the level of reality denial!
 

Well I for one am convinced.

He has maintained his innocence,
Oh well, in that case, he should obviously be released. :rolleyes:

multiple witness accounts seem less than credible and the other person convicted with him claims that Burrell wasn't even present during the shooting.
Those claims have been refuted by the Hennepin County DA.

The murder of 11-year-old Tyesha Edwards by Myon Burrell

Hennepin County said:
The judge in the second trial called Mr. Oliver’s testimony consistent and credible. As for Myon Burrell’s accomplices, they also said a lot of things. Initially, their statements put Mr. Burrell in the car with them and one said Burrell was the shooter. Both accomplices recanted their original statements at Burrell’s second trial and the judge found them "not credible" because their stories were inconsistent and contradicted by other evidence.

His accomplices have every reason to try to help their comrade. They are in the same gang after all. Oliver, the intended target of the hit, has no reason to finger the wrong gang banger for the attempt on his life.

The loss of the child's life is tragic.

More than tragic, it is murder.

Burrell was 16 at the time, too young to vote or join the military, have a credit card or even a job without parent's permission.
No, but old enough to join a gang and try to kill rival gang members. These gang killers get their start pretty young, and often their end too, as in the case of Gakirah Barnes, 17. Even as it is unfashionable, I don't think Hillary was all that wrong in calling them superpredators.

His age difference compared with the victim's is irrelevant since there was never any intention to harm the child who was killed.
That was in response to Politesse, who compared their ages, suggesting that 11 was pretty much like 16, which is ridiculous.
And sure, he didn't mean to harm the girl. He merely meant to murder another teenager. Obviously, he is a boy scout who was unjustly imprisoned. :rolleyes:

Two things are relevant: His age at the time the crime was committed was 16--a minor in every respect. Brain science tells us that he was not an adult, not capable of reasoning or behaving like an adult.

He should be eligible for parole after 20 years on account of his age. But the life sentence should not have been commuted - he should be on parole forever. Actions have consequences, and while the frontal lobe of a teenager is still not fully mature, they are perfectly capable of knowing what murder is and how deadly guns are.

Moreover, there is significant doubt that he was even present when this crime was committed. The other man convicted claims he was not and Burrell was identified as a participant by a jailed rival who was looking to help himself by identifying someone in this high profile case.

If he really was at the corner store, as he now claims, why did he initially lie and say that he was in Bemidji at the time of murder?

Again, from the DA
DA said:
Myon Burrell has said a lot of things. He initially told police he was in Bemidji with his mother at the time of the shooting. Then, during his trial, the second alibi was, he was at a friend’s house playing video games. Now, a news report claims Mr. Burrell has a third alibi, that two people are claiming they were with him at a nearby grocery store at the time of the shooting. These two people never came forward and no plausible explanation has been offered why these two people waited 18 years to say anything.
Took him long enough to come up with the present alibi. Note that now it's impossible to check the store video - how very convenient. The AP piece pretends that the corner store alibi existed from the beginning, which is a lie according to the DA.

https://apnews.com/article/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038

“There was only one weapon, one set of shells,” said Tyson. “I’m the one that did this. I did this.”

Back to the DA
DA said:
The evidence is quite strong which is why he was convicted twice. Timothy Oliver was the intended victim of the gun fire and he saw Burrell across the street shooting at him and identified Burrell by his nickname and in a photo lineup. In pleading guilty, one of Mr. Burrell’s gang accomplices testified that Myon Burrell fired the shots. Mr. Burrell also confessed to a cousin that he was involved in the murder of Tyesha Edwards. Burrell also confessed to a jail inmate who knew details of the murder that had never been made public. The judge found the testimony of Oliver, Burrell’s cousin, and the jail inmate credible.

Soon after the shooting, he was telling friends, his attorney, fellow inmates and even a prison guard that Burrell was not at the scene, court records show. But he said his lawyer told him he’d never see the outside of a prison unless he implicated the youth. Eventually he buckled, but only after being promised his plea would not be used against Burrell.
What "court records" show that? He testified against Burrell at the trial. The intended victim also identified Burell. Furthermore, Burell lied about where he was, insisting that he was in Bemidji.

Tyson doesn’t want to name the other man who was with him, saying he doesn’t want to pull in a person who was only peripherally involved.
Because it was Burrell.

The getaway driver, Hans Williams, did identify a third man -- by his full name and in a photo lineup.
And that name is? Doesn't matter anyway if the guy Burrell was shooting at identified him.

The gun was never recovered and officers said prints on the magazine and the car were not sufficient for identification. Ballistic tests on Tyson’s jacket were not carried out to verify claims that he was the triggerman.
So if you get rid of the gun you should be guaranteed no murder conviction. Where is the source for the testing claim? Maybe it was an oversight or testing the jacket would have been moot.

I think that there's good reason to question his conviction.

I don't. Sticking points to me are his ever changing alibi and also the positive id by the target of the hit.

I found this detailed account and while I do not have to read it all (maybe you'll find something more there) I found this evidence of his prior gang activity.

Casetext said:
During Leake's testimony, he claimed that in 2002, Burrell shot at him and three other men as they stood on the corner of Portland and Franklin in south Minneapolis. Leake stated that Burrell yelled "Rolling 30s Bloods gang" while shooting. No one was hurt in the incident.

Arrington testified that at some point before the Edwards shooting, Burrell shot from a car at Arrington, Oliver, and two other men as the men sat in Peavey Park in south Minneapolis. Arrington testified that Burrell wore a red rag on his hand and said "What up; Blood." as he fired.

Deleon Walker, who was friends with Oliver and other members of the Family Mob and Gangster Disciples, testified that Burrell shot at him on November 25, 2002. Walker said that Burrell and another man walked past him and others in front of a Lake Street coffeehouse in south Minneapolis. According to Walker, Burrell shot at him, missed, and hit a Somali man.

Brady Bell is Burrell's ex-girlfriend. She testified that at some point in 2000, Burrell shot at a car. According to Bell, she, Burrell, and two others were walking on a sidewalk. When a suspicious car approached the group, Bell became nervous that the occupants of the car would open fire on the group. Bell stated that she did not know who was in the car, but testified that the occupants of the car fired shots at the group and that Burrell shot at the car.

Obviously a young man who would never have done this, right. A proper [self-censored] :rolleyes:

But even if he were guilty, a 45-life sentence is far too long for a juvenile offender.

It should have been commuted to 20-life. A reasonable compromise that acknowledges both the severity of the crime and the relative youth of the perpetrator. Not 18 and you're out with only 2 years supervised release.
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Current Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman, who was in that position during the 2008 trial, has filed a motion saying he would support Burrell’s 45-year-to-life sentence being shortened.....
Both the Hennepin County Attorney and the report of experts cite new research and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that says the mind of teenagers are not fully developed. The report does not make a conclusion on his guilt or innocence but says he should not be in prison anymore.
Yeah, these two things seem extraordinarily relevant!

Yes, 11 year old murder victims matter. Also, yes, when the County Attorney involved with the prosecution of a murder suspect says maybe we need to relook at things, we shouldn't make it a race issue.
 
Not really. They are minors, but not children.
Yes, 16 year old are still children.
And Myon got out of prison while still young - so I don't think he served enough time.
Too bad you have no input into the matter.
Then how do you explain the suspicious timing of the commutation?
There is nothing suspicious about the timing to a rational disinterested observer. If you had bothered to read your own link, the case came up during Senator Klobuchar's run for POTUS, a commission was set up to look into the matter and make a report The report came in.

Regardless of the actual decision, a decision had to be made at some point. When should a decision have been made? I suspect there would not have been an OP if the board had rejected any changes, so I suspect the timing is not an issue at all.

Bullshit! There was one Proud Boy who broke some windows. But vast majority of the damage was done by #BLMers and their allies.
As usual, you are misinformed. One Proud boy was just convicted for firing at the 3rd precinct and helping to set it on fire.

Derec said:
This myth that rioting, looting and arson this Summer (and well beyond the Summer in places like Portland) was not mostly due to Antifa and #BLM is positively Trumpian in the level of reality denial!
You confuse bias-driven and evidence-free conjectures with reality. Many of the protesters were ordinary citizens who were not Antifa or #BLM. Really, get a grip.
 
Well I for one am convinced.


Oh well, in that case, he should obviously be released. :rolleyes:

multiple witness accounts seem less than credible and the other person convicted with him claims that Burrell wasn't even present during the shooting.
Those claims have been refuted by the Hennepin County DA.

The murder of 11-year-old Tyesha Edwards by Myon Burrell

Hennepin County said:
The judge in the second trial called Mr. Oliver’s testimony consistent and credible. As for Myon Burrell’s accomplices, they also said a lot of things. Initially, their statements put Mr. Burrell in the car with them and one said Burrell was the shooter. Both accomplices recanted their original statements at Burrell’s second trial and the judge found them "not credible" because their stories were inconsistent and contradicted by other evidence.

His accomplices have every reason to try to help their comrade. They are in the same gang after all. Oliver, the intended target of the hit, has no reason to finger the wrong gang banger for the attempt on his life.

The loss of the child's life is tragic.

More than tragic, it is murder.

Burrell was 16 at the time, too young to vote or join the military, have a credit card or even a job without parent's permission.
No, but old enough to join a gang and try to kill rival gang members. These gang killers get their start pretty young, and often their end too, as in the case of Gakirah Barnes, 17. Even as it is unfashionable, I don't think Hillary was all that wrong in calling them superpredators.

His age difference compared with the victim's is irrelevant since there was never any intention to harm the child who was killed.
That was in response to Politesse, who compared their ages, suggesting that 11 was pretty much like 16, which is ridiculous.
And sure, he didn't mean to harm the girl. He merely meant to murder another teenager. Obviously, he is a boy scout who was unjustly imprisoned. :rolleyes:

Two things are relevant: His age at the time the crime was committed was 16--a minor in every respect. Brain science tells us that he was not an adult, not capable of reasoning or behaving like an adult.

He should be eligible for parole after 20 years on account of his age. But the life sentence should not have been commuted - he should be on parole forever. Actions have consequences, and while the frontal lobe of a teenager is still not fully mature, they are perfectly capable of knowing what murder is and how deadly guns are.

Moreover, there is significant doubt that he was even present when this crime was committed. The other man convicted claims he was not and Burrell was identified as a participant by a jailed rival who was looking to help himself by identifying someone in this high profile case.

If he really was at the corner store, as he now claims, why did he initially lie and say that he was in Bemidji at the time of murder?

Again, from the DA
DA said:
Myon Burrell has said a lot of things. He initially told police he was in Bemidji with his mother at the time of the shooting. Then, during his trial, the second alibi was, he was at a friend’s house playing video games. Now, a news report claims Mr. Burrell has a third alibi, that two people are claiming they were with him at a nearby grocery store at the time of the shooting. These two people never came forward and no plausible explanation has been offered why these two people waited 18 years to say anything.
Took him long enough to come up with the present alibi. Note that now it's impossible to check the store video - how very convenient. The AP piece pretends that the corner store alibi existed from the beginning, which is a lie according to the DA.

https://apnews.com/article/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038

“There was only one weapon, one set of shells,” said Tyson. “I’m the one that did this. I did this.”

Back to the DA
DA said:
The evidence is quite strong which is why he was convicted twice. Timothy Oliver was the intended victim of the gun fire and he saw Burrell across the street shooting at him and identified Burrell by his nickname and in a photo lineup. In pleading guilty, one of Mr. Burrell’s gang accomplices testified that Myon Burrell fired the shots. Mr. Burrell also confessed to a cousin that he was involved in the murder of Tyesha Edwards. Burrell also confessed to a jail inmate who knew details of the murder that had never been made public. The judge found the testimony of Oliver, Burrell’s cousin, and the jail inmate credible.

Soon after the shooting, he was telling friends, his attorney, fellow inmates and even a prison guard that Burrell was not at the scene, court records show. But he said his lawyer told him he’d never see the outside of a prison unless he implicated the youth. Eventually he buckled, but only after being promised his plea would not be used against Burrell.
What "court records" show that? He testified against Burrell at the trial. The intended victim also identified Burell. Furthermore, Burell lied about where he was, insisting that he was in Bemidji.

Tyson doesn’t want to name the other man who was with him, saying he doesn’t want to pull in a person who was only peripherally involved.
Because it was Burrell.

The getaway driver, Hans Williams, did identify a third man -- by his full name and in a photo lineup.
And that name is? Doesn't matter anyway if the guy Burrell was shooting at identified him.

The gun was never recovered and officers said prints on the magazine and the car were not sufficient for identification. Ballistic tests on Tyson’s jacket were not carried out to verify claims that he was the triggerman.
So if you get rid of the gun you should be guaranteed no murder conviction. Where is the source for the testing claim? Maybe it was an oversight or testing the jacket would have been moot.

I think that there's good reason to question his conviction.

I don't. Sticking points to me are his ever changing alibi and also the positive id by the target of the hit.

I found this detailed account and while I do not have to read it all (maybe you'll find something more there) I found this evidence of his prior gang activity.

Casetext said:
During Leake's testimony, he claimed that in 2002, Burrell shot at him and three other men as they stood on the corner of Portland and Franklin in south Minneapolis. Leake stated that Burrell yelled "Rolling 30s Bloods gang" while shooting. No one was hurt in the incident.

Arrington testified that at some point before the Edwards shooting, Burrell shot from a car at Arrington, Oliver, and two other men as the men sat in Peavey Park in south Minneapolis. Arrington testified that Burrell wore a red rag on his hand and said "What up; Blood." as he fired.

Deleon Walker, who was friends with Oliver and other members of the Family Mob and Gangster Disciples, testified that Burrell shot at him on November 25, 2002. Walker said that Burrell and another man walked past him and others in front of a Lake Street coffeehouse in south Minneapolis. According to Walker, Burrell shot at him, missed, and hit a Somali man.

Brady Bell is Burrell's ex-girlfriend. She testified that at some point in 2000, Burrell shot at a car. According to Bell, she, Burrell, and two others were walking on a sidewalk. When a suspicious car approached the group, Bell became nervous that the occupants of the car would open fire on the group. Bell stated that she did not know who was in the car, but testified that the occupants of the car fired shots at the group and that Burrell shot at the car.

Obviously a young man who would never have done this, right. A proper [self-censored] :rolleyes:

But even if he were guilty, a 45-life sentence is far too long for a juvenile offender.

It should have been commuted to 20-life. A reasonable compromise that acknowledges both the severity of the crime and the relative youth of the perpetrator. Not 18 and you're out with only 2 years supervised release.
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Of course you are convinced that he is guilty. They had you at black. The fact is that the facts in this case were never clear, there was enormous pressure to bring those responsible to justice--and one of the investigating officers paid someone to name Burrell. We can post opposing links to stories for days and never reach agreement of his guilt. I think there's a fair chance he didn't do it. You do not. No one is arguing that he was a choir boy but that is not the issue here.

Under Minnesota law, the Board of Pardons may grant a pardon or commute the sentence of any person convicted of any offense against the laws of the state. A commutation is the substitution of a lesser penalty for the original sentence that was judicially imposed. His sentence was commuted.

You agree that the sentence should have been commuted due to his age. You are quibbling over a couple of years. It is not as though he were pardoned or the conviction were overturned. But I do suspect that they will pursue a reversal of his conviction. I think the case is tainted enough that they have a chance.
 
Ah, I see it's once again time for the "But you aren't protesting for (person whose apparent murderers were immediately arrested and charged), so you don't really think black lives matter!!" post.

Again.

I'm iffy on most life without parole sentences, for what it's worth - a teenager is very different from a 30-someodd person mentally. If someone's a clear sociopath, has an extensive and aggressive record in prison, and so on, then that's one matter. A person who is locked up at under 18, stays out of trouble as much as they can, pursues an education in prison, and the like? Sure, let them out after that length of time.
 
20 years is serious time. 16 year olds are children too.

Neither has much of a character. Walz is bending over for #BLMers (#BLM supports the murderer and not the victim) who burned down and looted the city of Minneapolis this Summer. Keith Ellison is a Muslim radical who has been supporting Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam. Both are disgraceful!
Again, your evidence-free conjectures reflect more on you than either Mr. Walz or Mr. Eillison. You have not one shred of evidence that either is reacting to #BLM.

And, #BLM did not burn down Minneapolis this summer - much of the damage was done by Proud Boys and out of state jackasses.

You are correct about the majority of the "who" in that matter. I will also state that thre is a second fact of how Minneapolis and other city policing has maintained the poor state of communities of color quite faithfully, leading to unemployable and otherwise broken people on the streets that are going to be problematic in any context.

Any discussion of "who" is being bad without a discussion of the mechanism of why they are acting bad and continue to do so is premature. It's like saying "it's all the FEVER'S fault! No, the fever is a symptom, not the disease.
 
16 year olds aren't adults and in many states, they can't be charged as adults. For that matter, imo, 18 is a bit too young to be fully charged as an adult because our brains aren't fully matured until about age 25. And, imo, 20 years is a long enough prison sentence for murder in most cases, especially a case as murky as the one being discussed seems to be. Of course there is no sense in discussing this seriously, as we all seem to have different opinions on this issue.


https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/#:~:text=It%20may%20seem%20logical%20that%20those%20aged%2018,process%20of%20brain%20development%20that%20started%20during%20puberty.


Although brain development is subject to significant individual variation, most experts suggest that the brain is fully developed by age 25. For some people, brain development may be complete prior to age 25, while for others it may end after age 25. The mid-20s or “25” is just an average age given as checkpoint for when the brain has likely become mature.

It may seem logical that those aged 18 to 25 are completely mature, the brain still is maturing – specifically the area known as the “prefrontal cortex.” Changes occurring between ages 18 and 25 are essentially a continued process of brain development that started during puberty. When you’re 18, you’re roughly halfway through the entire stage of development. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.

This means that some people may have major struggles with impulsive decisions and planning behavior to reach a goal. The brain’s reward system tends to reach a high level of activation during puberty, then gradually drifts back to normal activation when a person reaches roughly the age of 25. Adults over the age of 25 tend to feel less sensitive to the influence of peer pressure and have a much easier time handling it.

And, if you don't like my link, do some of your own DD. It's been widely accepted in the world of neuroscience that human brains aren't fully matured until around age 25. People under that age are often more impulsive, more influenced by peers, and more likely to take risks. There is no reason, imnsho, to give a life long sentence to a very young teenager for a crime that he/she wasn't mature enough to fully understand the consequences of or in some cases, lacked the maturity to control their impulsive behavior.

I admit that I haven't researched this case in detail, but what others have posted mentioned a stray bullet, as well as witnesses that seemed to change their stories over time. If this unfortunate young girl was the victim of a stray bullet, or an impulsive foolish act shot by an immature teenager, it's a terrible tragedy, but the perpetrator, assuming he was even the one who was guilty, has already served enough time and hopefully will be offered some rehab during his remaining time in prison. These days, it's very difficult for former convicts to even find opportunities that give them a second chance at living a decent life.

I also find it very ironic that some posters here will go out of their way to defend the police when they recklessly harm or kill an unarmed or innocent victim. It's unfortunate that police who are criminals are often defended and supported by so many, when their crimes are often as heinous as that of any other criminal.

Of course I'm sure we all know that justice is a myth in many or most cases. The wealthy and the powerful often get off with light sentences or no prison time while the poor and the powerless are given the most severe sentences, even for non violent crimes.
 
16 year olds aren't adults and in many states, they can't be charged as adults. For that matter, imo, 18 is a bit too young to be fully charged as an adult because our brains aren't fully matured until about age 25. And, imo, 20 years is a long enough prison sentence for murder in most cases, especially a case as murky as the one being discussed seems to be. Of course there is no sense in discussing this seriously, as we all seem to have different opinions on this issue.


https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/#:~:text=It%20may%20seem%20logical%20that%20those%20aged%2018,process%20of%20brain%20development%20that%20started%20during%20puberty.


Although brain development is subject to significant individual variation, most experts suggest that the brain is fully developed by age 25. For some people, brain development may be complete prior to age 25, while for others it may end after age 25. The mid-20s or “25” is just an average age given as checkpoint for when the brain has likely become mature.

It may seem logical that those aged 18 to 25 are completely mature, the brain still is maturing – specifically the area known as the “prefrontal cortex.” Changes occurring between ages 18 and 25 are essentially a continued process of brain development that started during puberty. When you’re 18, you’re roughly halfway through the entire stage of development. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.

This means that some people may have major struggles with impulsive decisions and planning behavior to reach a goal. The brain’s reward system tends to reach a high level of activation during puberty, then gradually drifts back to normal activation when a person reaches roughly the age of 25. Adults over the age of 25 tend to feel less sensitive to the influence of peer pressure and have a much easier time handling it.

And, if you don't like my link, do some of your own DD. It's been widely accepted in the world of neuroscience that human brains aren't fully matured until around age 25. People under that age are often more impulsive, more influenced by peers, and more likely to take risks. There is no reason, imnsho, to give a life long sentence to a very young teenager for a crime that he/she wasn't mature enough to fully understand the consequences of or in some cases, lacked the maturity to control their impulsive behavior.

I admit that I haven't researched this case in detail, but what others have posted mentioned a stray bullet, as well as witnesses that seemed to change their stories over time. If this unfortunate young girl was the victim of a stray bullet, or an impulsive foolish act shot by an immature teenager, it's a terrible tragedy, but the perpetrator, assuming he was even the one who was guilty, has already served enough time and hopefully will be offered some rehab during his remaining time in prison. These days, it's very difficult for former convicts to even find opportunities that give them a second chance at living a decent life.

I also find it very ironic that some posters here will go out of their way to defend the police when they recklessly harm or kill an unarmed or innocent victim. It's unfortunate that police who are criminals are often defended and supported by so many, when their crimes are often as heinous as that of any other criminal.

Of course I'm sure we all know that justice is a myth in many or most cases. The wealthy and the powerful often get off with light sentences or no prison time while the poor and the powerless are given the most severe sentences, even for non violent crimes.

I imagine that this kind of warehousing in a hostile environment can't possibly be rehabilitative either instead of making of someone who may be a murder into someone who is no longer going to be that, they have made of him an obligate criminal, who will be incapable of a normal life on the outside.

We shouldn't be putting people in "jail" at all. We should be putting them in rehabilitation settings for all but the most clearly soul-devoid.
 
We shouldn't be putting people in "jail" at all. We should be putting them in rehabilitation settings for all but the most clearly soul-devoid.
Many people we put in jail don't belong there. But many people released early should have been locked up longer. Parole boards can get bamboozled with fake-ass stories of reform.
 
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