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Do Atheists believe in Heaven?

Ok, so I am really really sure there’s no god, and if there is a god then it’s their own fault that I don’t “believe in” them, given how easy it would be for them to prove it (assuming they’re anything like as advertised.)
I’m not going to alter my behavior on such an outside chance.

But the stuff I have always tried to embody is consistent enough with the supposed wants and demands of our biggest most popular gods, such that I’m not worried about being left out of any heavens, should they exist.

Does my lack of concern (lack of FOMO) reflect a “belief in heaven”? Or just some vain delusion that I’d be worthy if there was a heaven, such that I’m going to Hell just for my vain presumption in not fearing missing out on heaven?
Because I do wonder how the women dress in heaven, or do they all appear exactly as I’d wish them to?
Is wondering that a sin? I mean I’m not lusting, I’m just, maybe, wondering about opportunities to lust! :)
I’m only human. It’s hard enough without getting religion involved.
(NPI)
 
unapologetic said:
Elixir said:
I do wonder how the women dress in heaven, or do they all appear exactly as I’d wish them to?
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Consider this: What age would they appear as?
The age they died? (old, wrinkled). As they were born? (cherubs). In prime condition? (Which I for one, never achieved).
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It’s HEAVEN!
I gotta go with “everyone is in their prime and as fit as they ever wished they were”.

If that’s not the deal, what’s the point?
But clothing is a question. Optional?
Does nudity get you put in heavenly jail for indecent exposure? For that matter, what is heavenly jail even like, and how does it differ from the rest of heaven?
So many questions. I hope I don’t go to hell and sit around wondering for eternity.
 
Elixir said:
But clothing is a question. Optional?
Does nudity get you put in heavenly jail for indecent exposure?
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Stupid question, but a good one.

Why does anyone care about seeing other people's bodies? In heaven, can't we at least assume that we don't need protection from the elements or infectious things? Do we need protection from seeing a butt, pair of boobs, or a dick? I don't think so.

I'm a naturist. I've seen more human genitalia than I can remember. Hundreds at least, probably thousands. I just don't care.

Why are you textiles telling me what to do in heaven?
Tom
 
TomC said:
Why does anyone care about seeing other people's bodies? In heaven, can't we at least assume that we don't need protection from the elements or infectious things? Do we need protection from seeing a butt, pair of boobs, or a dick?
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The idea that souls even exist, much less that they can survive the destruction of our bodies, is sufficiently absurd on its own.

The idea that these disembodied souls have bodies that they and other disembodied souls might see is not just absurd, but self contradicting.
 
bilby said:
TomC said:
Why does anyone care about seeing other people's bodies? In heaven, can't we at least assume that we don't need protection from the elements or infectious things? Do we need protection from seeing a butt, pair of boobs, or a dick?
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The idea that souls even exist, much less that they can survive the destruction of our bodies, is sufficiently absurd on its own.

The idea that these disembodied souls have bodies that they and other disembodied souls might see is not just absurd, but self contradicting.
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We can have a sort of afterlife of a materialistic sort if you believe in the many-universe idea and archetypes, albeit an archetype is just a copy and not any meaningful form of an afterlife
 
That is only a slight exaggeration. My sister does social work placement up there sometimes, and there are for sure still some residents. Even a high school. But it is also true that well over half the town is composed of abandoned buildings.
 
lostone said:
Politesse said:
ideologyhunter said:
TBH, I just went to google and put in something like 'worst towns in Alabama.' Every state's got 'em.
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Trona. Dear God, Trona. It even looks like hell.
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I thought the little Southern town I grew up in was Hell. Turns out Hell is on Grand Cayman island.

en.wikipedia.org

Hell, Grand Cayman - Wikipedia

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No no...
Hell is in Michigan.
Or maybe Wisconsin.
One of those states my parents took us kids in the summer. Hell has an amusement park, but Mom wouldn't let us.
Because, you know, a good Catholic mother wouldn't let her kids find out that Hell has a rollercoaster and if you refuse to eat your veggies and then murder and rape people you get to go back for Free. And Forever! Because God says so!
Tom
 
Also hellish, but at least Needles has a bit of riverfront, and the Jolted Coffee Arcade. I love that place.

Fun fact: Needles tried to secede from California back in '08 and become part of Nevada... which straight up refused to take them.
 
I'm a physicalist.

I think that there are only so many kinds of people out there and that certain sorts of people are fairly uncommon, more a product of a process plus an archetype: nature plus nurture.

Still, sometimes humans write letters to the next instance of themselves, across time, so that these people may live better lives.

I think this is what oral tradition was meant to allow: to hold a message long enough for it to see the next instance of yourself.

Maybe the words didn't exist to express these ideas clearly, or to even understand them except through deep metaphors. I don't see many not-crazy folks out there understanding this idea, though, and the crazy ones make more out of it than there is there.

Instead of reincarnation in a pure eastern sense, I see reincarnation working that way.

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In addition to this first kind of "life after life", of being born, dying, and being born so as to live in a better world as a result of better actions from knowing past results, there is also the idea that we could understand enough about the mind and thoughts in general to give people a whole new format of existence.

To use the same concept seen in a different way, to be able to capture the context of your existence, all your experiences and all the statements inside that you have made to yourself, and so on, and had a model that interpreted those all in the same way you do on a fundamental level, that would also be you, your life, but outside of your life as it were.

You could put that image in any sort of virtual environment you want, or just shove it into a humanoid chassis and let it "be" in a less virtual environment.

This allows the creation of a second kind of heaven, for those here, today.

It does not exist yet, but I think we should build it.

So, either way, heaven is only going to be built by our own hands.
 
Elixir said:
But clothing is a question. Optional?
Does nudity get you put in heavenly jail for indecent exposure? For that matter, what is heavenly jail even like, and how does it differ from the rest of heaven?
So many questions. I hope I don’t go to hell and sit around wondering for eternity.
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