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Do Atheists believe in Heaven?


Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

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You know dem ladies, such sweet, helpless, lovey-dovey widdle things who lack the iron spines that brutual and thuggish male gods have. The male Gods are Donald Trumps in the sky.

Dude, there are no gods of any kind.
It's hilarious how often it happens that the people who want to save us end up showing they have horrible views and can't be trusted on morality themselves.
 
Why do gods always have the same flaws and biases as the humans who believe in them?
Because, in the most publicized case, the god made us in 'his' image and gave us our brains and urges and proclivities. And we are worth nothing -- in fact we deserve to be cast aside for an eternity of punishment -- unless we perform a magical and purely mental act of self-renunciation. Aint it great to be crazy?
Or, as the venerable Mr Clemens observed, “God created man in his own image, and man has been returning the favor ever since,”
 
Why do gods always have the same flaws and biases as the humans who believe in them?
Because, in the most publicized case, the god made us in 'his' image and gave us our brains and urges and proclivities. And we are worth nothing -- in fact we deserve to be cast aside for an eternity of punishment -- unless we perform a magical and purely mental act of self-renunciation. Aint it great to be crazy?
Or, as the venerable Mr Clemens observed, “God created man in his own image, and man has been returning the favor ever since,”
That's true. The thing that I don't get is why so many smart people believe in fairy tales. I thought Fairy tales were for children.

The Activity Director where I do volunteer work told me that she had a conversation with god when we first met. She's a lovely, sweet, smart person, but that sounded so delusional to me that I had to tell her that I don't believe in any gods but I try to be good without a god. She thinks I'm wonderful now, so at least she is learning that one doesn't have to have a god to be a good person. She goes to church a lot, so maybe a lot of religion is about the coffee and the donuts, if you get my drift.

On the other hand I have 5 Christain friends who never go to church, so what's in it for them? Do they just feel better believing there is some higher power looking over them, or that there is an afterlife for them. It's hard to understand.
 
Your god concept is not the only god concept that exists, and atheists reject all god concepts, not just your own god concept
I will argue this point in specific.

I am an atheist.

I do not believe this world has a god (lower g), and I know factually that there is no singular God (upper G)... But I do not reject all "god concepts". I think even posted one particularly over-wroght thread to discuss the topic of God concepts I reject and god concepts I accept.
 
Jaryn

Is there any difference between saying 'I see no evidence for a any god so I do not believe in any god' and 'I know factually there are no gods' ?

A theist interprets reality and sees a god, an at5eist interprets reality and sees no god. Are either perspective factual?

I do not think so. A god hypothesis is neither provable nor disprovable.
 
... told me that she had a conversation with god when we first met. She's a lovely, sweet, smart person
I always knew God was lovely, smart and sweet, but I didn't know she was a GIRL!
She's not a girl, she's a woman, as in "Woman hear me roar"! She knows how to put down the sexist men when necessary, despite being loving and kind. She will defend the least of us! :angel2:
 
Why do gods always have the same flaws and biases as the humans who believe in them?
Because, in the most publicized case, the god made us in 'his' image and gave us our brains and urges and proclivities. And we are worth nothing -- in fact we deserve to be cast aside for an eternity of punishment -- unless we perform a magical and purely mental act of self-renunciation. Aint it great to be crazy?
Or, as the venerable Mr Clemens observed, “God created man in his own image, and man has been returning the favor ever since,”
That's true. The thing that I don't get is why so many smart people believe in fairy tales. I thought Fairy tales were for children.

The Activity Director where I do volunteer work told me that she had a conversation with god when we first met. She's a lovely, sweet, smart person, but that sounded so delusional to me that I had to tell her that I don't believe in any gods but I try to be good without a god. She thinks I'm wonderful now, so at least she is learning that one doesn't have to have a god to be a good person. She goes to church a lot, so maybe a lot of religion is about the coffee and the donuts, if you get my drift.

On the other hand I have 5 Christain friends who never go to church, so what's in it for them? Do they just feel better believing there is some higher power looking over them, or that there is an afterlife for them. It's hard to understand.
My idea of heaven is to have as many friends as SOHY has.
 
Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

From where does this misogynist thinking come? Does it have roots in the bible or just masculinist culture?
 
Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

From where does this misogynist thinking come? Does it have roots in the bible or just masculinist culture?
It's typical fundy misogyny. Men are rational thinkers, logical, and they are always in charge of their passions, whereas women are feeble minded and completely controlled by their emotions. I've known atheists who pretty much think the same thing.
 
Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

From where does this misogynist thinking come? Does it have roots in the bible or just masculinist culture?
It has roots in the Bible and Bronze Age culture, IMO. And old habits die hard.
 
Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

From where does this misogynist thinking come? Does it have roots in the bible or just masculinist culture?
It's typical fundy misogyny. Men are rational thinkers, logical, and they are always in charge of their passions, whereas women are feeble minded and completely controlled by their emotions. I've known atheists who pretty much think the same thing.
Yeah well, that’s because it’s true. But it’s also true that men are ruled by their gonads and women are the rational decision makers. There is plenty of ground to provide for both the rationality and irrationality of both men and women considered as discrete groups. At the end of the day humans are neither rational nor irrational; they’re driven by evolutionary imperatives. Decisions are made that can be viewed as rational or not, but they are always consistent with those imperatives.

If you don’t believe me, take about a half milligram of LSD, and watch people do what people do. Then try to differentiate it from the behaviors and motivations of any other mammal.
 
Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

From where does this misogynist thinking come? Does it have roots in the bible or just masculinist culture?
It's typical fundy misogyny. Men are rational thinkers, logical, and they are always in charge of their passions, whereas women are feeble minded and completely controlled by their emotions. I've known atheists who pretty much think the same thing.

Learner has not yet attempted to defend his misogynist statement. Pretty telling IMO.
 
Is there any difference between saying 'I see no evidence for a any god so I do not believe in any god' and 'I know factually there are no gods' ?
Dude, I even posted a subject on this thread.

Yes, there is a difference.

For example I see no evidence either way to believe that there are non-trivial zeroes off the critical line, so I am not going to believe there are zeros off the critical line but I do not know factually that there are no zeros off the critical line.

I know factually that gods of other worlds do exist. I know factually that a god of "this" world may exist (does exist for at least some instances, in fact, but not necessarily for this one). I am factually a god of a world, have acted as god over several others, and have plans to do future creation!

Still, as I'm fond of saying, being such a thing in such a relationship doesn't grant supernatural powers. It just means I have the power to build a computer machine and push a button.

I think that it is just as inappropriate for people to believe possible things are impossible, as much as it is inappropriate to believe impossible things are possible.
 
Jaryn

Is there any difference between saying 'I see no evidence for an any god so I do not believe in any god' and 'I know factually there are no gods' ?

Yes. The former is weak atheism and latter is strong atheism. They are different.
 
Jarhyn, couldn't people be simply mistaken, or must they be "inappropriate" with respect to their beliefs?
 
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Does lady god even have what it takes to be in the position to judge right and wrong, because everything in her goddess mind is purely viewed from the lovey-dovey candy flossy pov, being totally oblivious to the bad human character behaviour that can appear out there, in her ideal (fantasy) world?

From where does this misogynist thinking come? Does it have roots in the bible or just masculinist culture?
It's typical fundy misogyny. Men are rational thinkers, logical, and they are always in charge of their passions, whereas women are feeble minded and completely controlled by their emotions. I've known atheists who pretty much think the same thing.
But the truth is that at least statistically men are far more emotional than women. Men lose their tempers and get angry over little things. They commit more violence. It's not that men aren't emotional, they are just a different, more dangerous. type of emotional. Not all men, just men in general. Women and. men have different structures when it comes to our brains and different amounts of estrogen and testosterone. Both sexes have some of each, but the amount varies by gender.

Besides why would a god even need a gender? I think if there really was a god, they would be nonbinary and asexual. God is a myth but if you need a myth at least make it more realistic than a male god who is mean, angry and vengeful.

Isn't there a Bible verse that goes something like" "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord"? That god is a real asshole.
 
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