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Dominion starts serving lawsuits

Last I heard as of this morning is that talks are happening right now between parties on a potential settlement.
I hope they do not settle and they get a juryed hearing.... with a jury that is hot to issue punitive damages on top of the actuals that result in the effective end of the network.
 
A settlement may be appealing to Dominion in order to avoid the appeals process, but hopefully they will demand full and repeated disclosure by every Fox talking head involved in the lies. Fox can then worry about Smartmatic’s lawsuit prolonging their risk.

I’d pay to see every one of these turds on-air with “I’m a fucking liar” written in Sharpie on their foreheads.
 
Patooka said:
Ford said:
If I were a major voting machine company suing one of the biggest media empires on the planet for over a billion dollars (which I'm obviously not), I wouldn't trade money I could win at trial for less than enough egg on the faces of Fox execs and hosts to drive the cost of actual eggs up again. A significant percentage of the billion, along with public concessions from Tucker, Maria, Sean, and others along with front page retractions of all the claims and a prime-time special where someone like Brett Baier or Howard Kurtz spent an hour or two explaining to Fox viewers exactly how, when, and where the network lied.
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Yeah, I don't Dominion is interested in the money. I think it's all about public humiliation and vindication. This is a lawsuit that involves two big companies and yet it really gives off the vibe that it's personal.
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Humiliating Faux in the courtroom might help restore their business. It won't do anything about the QOP places but might get them more market in purple areas.
 
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WELL I'M CERTAINLY CONVINCED. WHAT A COMPELLING ARGUMENT. EVERYONE HAS BEEN WRONG ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION. THIS IS SOOO CREDIBLE THAT I SHOWED THIS TWEET TRUTH TO MY NEIGHBOUR (WHO IS A REALLY BIG GUY) AND AFTER HE FINISHED READING HE WAS CRYING. SAD!
 
Patooka said:
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WELL I'M CERTAINLY CONVINCED. WHAT A COMPELLING ARGUMENT. EVERYONE HAS BEEN WRONG ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION. THIS IS SOOO CREDIBLE THAT I SHOWED THIS TWEET TRUTH TO MY NEIGHBOUR (WHO IS A REALLY BIG GUY) AND AFTER HE FINISHED READING HE WAS CRYING. SAD!
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And the kicker?

He knows.

He's already on tape (well, not actual tape, but recordings) saying "I know I didn't win, but I don't care."

Damned near everyone in his inner circle has been caught in one way or another saying "we didn't win, but let's pretend we did and try to rig the outcome anyway."

I'd bet money that someone on his "team" has told him multiple times that "Sir, if you type in all caps you will look like an idiot and this has been true since the early days of the internet" and he knows this, but he just doesn't care.

And his followers don't care either. They look at this screed and think "that's my guy!"

He knows. So he keeps doing it.
 
All caps is the text equivalent of a yuge signature made with a Sharpie.
 
Ford said:
Patooka said:
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WELL I'M CERTAINLY CONVINCED. WHAT A COMPELLING ARGUMENT. EVERYONE HAS BEEN WRONG ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION. THIS IS SOOO CREDIBLE THAT I SHOWED THIS TWEET TRUTH TO MY NEIGHBOUR (WHO IS A REALLY BIG GUY) AND AFTER HE FINISHED READING HE WAS CRYING. SAD!
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And the kicker?

He knows.

He's already on tape (well, not actual tape, but recordings) saying "I know I didn't win, but I don't care."

Damned near everyone in his inner circle has been caught in one way or another saying "we didn't win, but let's pretend we did and try to rig the outcome anyway."

I'd bet money that someone on his "team" has told him multiple times that "Sir, if you type in all caps you will look like an idiot and this has been true since the early days of the internet" and he knows this, but he just doesn't care.

And his followers don't care either. They look at this screed and think "that's my guy!"

He knows. So he keeps doing it.
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When your followers are going to believe you no matter what, when you've everything to gain and nothing to lose, when in all likelihood you'll make it to the end of days without seeing the inside of a prison cell, if truth and lies are only for personal benefit, there is no code of conduct. Truth and lies are just part of the process to the goal. And when your lies start to contradict your previous lies, lie that you ever told those lies. If nothing else, Trump understood this going in. His entire life he was taught to conduct himself in such a manner. Hell, most politicians follow this same path when you hear them begrudgingly walk up to but never actually touch an omission of guilt. If there is no upside to the truth, why tell it? Integrity? Pffft!
Security, escort this person off the premises. He doesn't belong here.
 
This morning on NPR, they had a prominent 1st Amendment attorney on who said Dominion has an historically strong case. He said "there's never been a case, where there's been this much evidence, both of falsity, and knowing falsity, and you've never seen a case where the 'actual malice' standard is met as this one is..."

He also expressed surprise that Fox hasn't settled, because now they have to deal with months of their most prominent hosts and some of their top executives testifying under oath that they lied, and knew they were peddling falsehoods. He said that of the hundreds of libel cases brought last year, only 3 went all the way to conclusion in court. He said "people recognize that nobody wins if you show all of Fox's laundry here, I'm astonished that they haven't done it."

Maybe Fox has a bunch of aces stuffed up their sleeves? Or did they offer to settle and Dominion refused or set terms that would cause irreparable damage to Fox? Are they just backed into a corner?

I hope it's the latter.
 
Ford said:
Maybe Fox has a bunch of aces stuffed up their sleeves? Or did they offer to settle and Dominion refused or set terms that would cause irreparable damage to Fox? Are they just backed into a corner?

I hope it's the latter.
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Dominion isn’t interested in settling.
Why should they? Unless Fox offers multiples of the $1.6b they’re asking for, I see no reason they would want to settle. It’s not likely that they are one bit concerned that they might lose in court. What they have obviously - just from what has been made public already - rises far above the “preponderance of evidence” threshold needed to win the case.
 
From what has been made public, Dominion clearly has the evidence they need. And even more has been coming out because of that former producer. Quietly settling out of court does nothing to repair the damage to Dominion's reputation, and FOX will lie about it or just ignore it like it did with other court cases where they defended their right to lie. It is in their best interest that all of this gets made as public as possible, with as many people involved on record admitting to their lies.

I want their lawyers to make their case so thoroughly that even the jurists will want to say:

 
Jury trials are unpredictable. Fox is hoping there is at least one juror who will be sympathetic to their empty claims. Right now that's Fox's only hope. All other options are too damaging. Remember that Fox was conceived and founded as a propaganda channel and is why it's in the mess it is.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Jury trials are unpredictable. Fox is hoping there is at least one juror who will be sympathetic to their empty claims.
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It’s a civil case. Usually that requires only a majority vote from the jury. Sometimes if a single juror disagrees it goes to the judge.
If FOX is hanging their hopes on a majority voting to acquit, then I am inclined to also think they believe the election was stolen, because they have to be the most credulous creeps this side of Mag-a-Lardo.
 
From CNN live updates

The judge ruled that Fox can’t bring up broadcasts where reporters accurately fact-checked Trump’s lies about the 2020 election in an effort to prove that other broadcasts that amplified those lies weren’t defamatory.

Those other broadcasts “are not relevant” to the case, Davis said, because “you can’t absolve yourself of defamation by putting someone else on at a different time” who told the truth about Dominion.

The judge also ruled that Fox can’t use internal Dominion emails where its staffers said their products “suck” and were “riddled with bugs,” to prove that there were real concerns about Dominion machines. Those emails weren’t public in 2020, so they couldn’t have influenced the state of mind of Fox staffers when they promoted the Dominion claims on their shows.

But if Dominion wins and the case moves to damages, Fox can bring up these emails to show that Dominion might be losing business because of voting security concerns and not just because of alleged defamation.

Meanwhile, Davis has cleared the way for Dominion to bring up Fox’s financial information at the trial, including details about salaries of top hosts and executives. Fox tried to block this from the trial, arguing that salaries aren’t linked to ratings, and that this data could bias the jury against the network.

“Economics are relevant,” Davis said.
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Ford said:
He said that of the hundreds of libel cases brought last year, only 3 went all the way to conclusion in court. He said "people recognize that nobody wins if you show all of Fox's laundry here, I'm astonished that they haven't done it."
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I don't see why Dominion would settle. Sure they want to recoup their lost and lost future revenue but they need the entire world to hear it loud and clear that Fox was lying and that there is nothing wrong with their voting systems. Even now there are likely hundreds of counties where the lie is so deep that Dominion hasn't got a prayer of getting that business ever.
 
Elixir said:
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Jury trials are unpredictable. Fox is hoping there is at least one juror who will be sympathetic to their empty claims.
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It’s a civil case. Usually that requires only a majority vote from the jury. Sometimes if a single juror disagrees it goes to the judge.
If FOX is hanging their hopes on a majority voting to acquit, then I am inclined to also think they believe the election was stolen, because they have to be the most credulous creeps this side of Mag-a-Lardo.
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Both parties must agree to this. Apparently Fox has already agreed? If so, they must have their sights set on another winning strategy because I doubt they will convince a majority or jurors.
 
crazyfingers said:
Ford said:
He said that of the hundreds of libel cases brought last year, only 3 went all the way to conclusion in court. He said "people recognize that nobody wins if you show all of Fox's laundry here, I'm astonished that they haven't done it."
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I don't see why Dominion would settle. Sure they want to recoup their lost and lost future revenue but they need the entire world to hear it loud and clear that Fox was lying and that there is nothing wrong with their voting systems. Even now there are likely hundreds of counties where the lie is so deep that Dominion hasn't got a prayer of getting that business ever.
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Really this is crucial.

Fox lies caused damage to Dominion. Huge damage. But it's not like property damage, where an award can be based on an estimated cost to repair. Or medical issues, where damages can be assessed by looking at costs and loss of livelihood while recuperating.

Fox damaged Dominion's brand. That's huge, but it's abstract. Dominion's got motivation to go way beyond the financial damage accrued already and force Fox to help repair the brand by admitting that they, Trump, etc. are lying every time they refer to the stolen election.

If Tucker Carlson refers to Biden "stealing the election", Dominion should get another million bucks.
Tom
 
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