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England headed for A Caliphate

The UK police are going to help usher in the caliphate.

Halloween revellers have been warned that trick or treating may upset neighbours with religious beliefs or those who may be vulnerable. Leicestershire Police is among the forces who have issued guidance and a print-off poster for those who don’t wish to take part in the festivities to use. Police have warned that residents may skip out on the celebrations because they are “observing religious or cultural beliefs that do not include Halloween”.

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Diversity is our strength.
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This is the very sensible response of the police to the fact that many people are defending the very English belief that the American tradition of "trick or treat" is an imposed foreign cultural practice, in which they rightly object to being forced to participate.
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Yes, that's a fair point. If TSwizzle is trying to make the case that the UK police are going to help usher in the caliphate, he appears to have posted a bad example.

In other news, yesterday the Metropolitan Police charged Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull under the Communications Act for tweeting that a certain religion is a "vile woman hating cousin marrying child rape appeasing death cult".
 
The UK police are going to help usher in the caliphate.

Halloween revellers have been warned that trick or treating may upset neighbours with religious beliefs or those who may be vulnerable. Leicestershire Police is among the forces who have issued guidance and a print-off poster for those who don’t wish to take part in the festivities to use. Police have warned that residents may skip out on the celebrations because they are “observing religious or cultural beliefs that do not include Halloween”.

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Diversity is our strength.
Fuck that.

This is the very sensible response of the police to the fact that many people are defending the very English belief that the American tradition of "trick or treat" is an imposed foreign cultural practice, in which they rightly object to being forced to participate.

If kids in England want to go "trick or treating", they can fuck off back to the USA where such nonsense is apparently considered normal.

Surely you mean, back to Ireland? I think the American version has roots mostly in Irish traditions.
 

My workplace regularly suspends the uniform requirements for various reasons, including sports fandom:
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If this image doesn't worry you, but the clip in that Xhit post does, then you are being bigoted, or (worse) may be a NSW Blues supporter.
Damn bum sniffers.
 
The UK police are going to help usher in the caliphate.

Halloween revellers have been warned that trick or treating may upset neighbours with religious beliefs or those who may be vulnerable. Leicestershire Police is among the forces who have issued guidance and a print-off poster for those who don’t wish to take part in the festivities to use. Police have warned that residents may skip out on the celebrations because they are “observing religious or cultural beliefs that do not include Halloween”.

News

Diversity is our strength.
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This is the very sensible response of the police to the fact that many people are defending the very English belief that the American tradition of "trick or treat" is an imposed foreign cultural practice, in which they rightly object to being forced to participate.
...
Yes, that's a fair point. If TSwizzle is trying to make the case that the UK police are going to help usher in the caliphate, he appears to have posted a bad example.

In other news, yesterday the Metropolitan Police charged Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull under the Communications Act for tweeting that a certain religion is a "vile woman hating cousin marrying child rape appeasing death cult".
Why does Kelly-Jay hate West Virginians?
 
In other news, yesterday the Metropolitan Police charged Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull under the Communications Act for tweeting that a certain religion is a "vile woman hating cousin marrying child rape appeasing death cult".
You seem to think that this is a bad thing. And in isolation, it would be.

But in this case, the "bad" part is only that it gives her publicity and garners sympathy for her. She is trying to incite violence, again.

The UK does not labour under the constraints of the US Bill of Rights, and that's not an indisputably bad thing. Even in the US there are limits on freedom of speech, and those limits are greater in Europe, where the consequences of right-wing hate speech destroyed most of their cities, within living memory.
 
In other news, yesterday the Metropolitan Police charged Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull under the Communications Act for tweeting that a certain religion is a "vile woman hating cousin marrying child rape appeasing death cult".
You seem to think that this is a bad thing. And in isolation, it would be.

But in this case, the "bad" part is only that it gives her publicity and garners sympathy for her. She is trying to incite violence, again.
And you can tell this because she's blaspheming against the progressive stack? If there were objective grounds for thinking that was an incitement to violence she'd have been charged under the Public Order Act or the Serious Crime Act. But according to Google AI, "She was charged with sending a grossly offensive communication under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003. Under this provision, prosecutors do not need to prove a specific victim or direct intent, only that a court finds the message to be grossly offensive."

The UK does not labour under the constraints of the US Bill of Rights, and that's not an indisputably bad thing.
Dude, ISIS throwing gays off buildings is not an indisputably bad thing, because all it takes to make anything disputable is one psycho willing to dispute it. If you can show the UK not laboring under the constraints of a free speech law as robust as the US Bill of Rights is not a bad thing, knock yourself out.

In any event, your soft spot for censorship aside, do you think if a Muslim had posted something analogously grossly offensive such as that Christianity is a "vile woman hating cannibalistic Palestine genocide appeasing death cult", he'd have been arrested and charged for it?

Even in the US there are limits on freedom of speech, and those limits are greater in Europe, where the consequences of right-wing hate speech destroyed most of their cities, within living memory.
Um, you know right-wing hate speech was illegal in Weimar Germany, don't you?
 
In other news, yesterday the Metropolitan Police charged Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull under the Communications Act for tweeting that a certain religion is a "vile woman hating cousin marrying child rape appeasing death cult".
You seem to think that this is a bad thing. And in isolation, it would be.

But in this case, the "bad" part is only that it gives her publicity and garners sympathy for her. She is trying to incite violence, again.
And you can tell this because she's blaspheming against the progressive stack?
No, I can tell this because she has form.

I have only a vague understanding of what the "progressive stack" is, and have no problem whatsoever with blaspheming against anything, per se.
If there were objective grounds for thinking that was an incitement to violence she'd have been charged under the Public Order Act or the Serious Crime Act.
Maybe. But they got Al Capone for tax evasion. Just because you can't pin a serious crime on the known perpetrator, that doesn't mean they are blameless.

Reality is complex.
But according to Google AI, "She was charged with sending a grossly offensive communication under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003. Under this provision, prosecutors do not need to prove a specific victim or direct intent, only that a court finds the message to be grossly offensive."
Sounds right.
The UK does not labour under the constraints of the US Bill of Rights, and that's not an indisputably bad thing.
Dude, ISIS throwing gays off buildings is not an indisputably bad thing, because all it takes to make anything disputable is one psycho willing to dispute it.
Indeed.
If you can show the UK not laboring under the constraints of a free speech law as robust as the US Bill of Rights is not a bad thing, knock yourself out.
Well, for a start, it's allowed them to arrest this vile rabble-rouser. So that's not a bad thing.
In any event, your soft spot for censorship aside, do you think if a Muslim had posted something analogously grossly offensive such as that Christianity is a "vile woman hating cannibalistic Palestine genocide appeasing death cult", he'd have been arrested and charged for it?
Yes, I do. Do you have any reason to think he wouldn't?
Even in the US there are limits on freedom of speech, and those limits are greater in Europe, where the consequences of right-wing hate speech destroyed most of their cities, within living memory.
Um, you know right-wing hate speech was illegal in Weimar Germany, don't you?
So what?

Reality is complex. Laws do not imply enforcement, nor do they imply lawfulness. Whatever the law in Weimar Germany said, it remains a fact that the consequences of right-wing hate speech destroyed most of Europe's cities, within living memory.

It also remains a fact that free speech absolutism has done nothing to make the USA notably a better place than the Western European nations (and Canada and Australasia for that matter) that thrive with a much more limited version of freedom of speech.
 
The UK does not labour under the constraints of the US Bill of Rights, and that's not an indisputably bad thing.
Dude, ISIS throwing gays off buildings is not an indisputably bad thing, because all it takes to make anything disputable is one psycho willing to dispute it.

Dude, ISIS throwing gays off buildings is not an indisputably bad thing,
Someone's been watching The Daily Wire's new movie masterpiece...
Patooka appears to have deliberately quoted me out of context in order to falsely paint me as making a homophobic remark, while knowing full-well that I was merely pointing out that bilby including "indisputably" rendered his pro-censorship moral claim so weak as to be effectively content-free, and I that was illustrating the problem in bilby's claim with an anti-homophobia comment.
 
Patooka appears to have deliberately quoted me out of context in order to falsely paint me as making a homophobic remark,
Nope. And sorry if that's the impression you got. I was referring to The Daily Wire's awesome piece of cinema titled "Run. Hide. Fight. Infidel", where there is literally a scene of a jihadi throwing a gay man off the roof of a building. Just as you described it. It is straight up MAGA porn and I love it. It's even better than "My Son Hunter".

I've time stamped the scene for you;



You're welcome. And yes, the piano music halfway through the fall is actually in the movie.
 
In any event, your soft spot for censorship aside, do you think if a Muslim had posted something analogously grossly offensive such as that Christianity is a "vile woman hating cannibalistic Palestine genocide appeasing death cult", he'd have been arrested and charged for it?
Yes, I do. Do you have any reason to think he wouldn't?
So I had a long discussion with Google AI; here are some highlights...

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> Has anyone been charged with sending a grossly offensive communication under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 for a communication targeting christians?

An explicit, recorded example of this occurred in the case of [example of a communication "utilizing heavily abusive anti-Christian language alongside anti-Muslim and antisemitic statements" snipped]
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> What other explicit, recorded examples of this occurred?
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When looking for explicit, recorded examples where communications targeting Christians met this criminal threshold, they generally fall into two categories:

1. Broad Religious Aggravation and "Multi-Targeted" Abuse
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> Were any of the "multi-targeted" abuse prosecutions for speech targeting only christians and jews?

Yes, there are explicit examples of prosecutions where the digital communications or public speech targeted only Christians and Jews.
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Would you like to examine:
• A specific case study of how the CPS prosecutes anti-Semitic and anti-Christian speech simultaneously?
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> A specific case study of how the CPS prosecutes anti-Semitic and anti-Christian speech simultaneously

[back-and-forth discussion snipped]

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when I hit a blank spot in my actual data (the fact that I cannot find a single named, documented UK prosecution where someone targeted only Christians and Jews with hate speech), I filled that gap with a logical-sounding theory and presented it to you as a fact.
That was completely misleading, and you were entirely right to call me out on it.

What the Data Actually Says

To be fully transparent and clear:
• The Unknown: I cannot provide you with the name of any person in the UK who has been prosecuted or convicted for a speech crime that strictly and exclusively targeted Christians and Jews.
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I am sorry for hallucinating an explanation rather than simply admitting that I do not have the specific real-world examples you asked for.
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Since official statistics conflate these offenses, the only way to find this would be unearthing a specific, detailed journalists' archive or court report. Would you like to look into how the Free Speech Union or legal watchdogs in the UK track specific speech-related prosecutions, or would you prefer to drop the topic given the limitations of the data?​

> I am only asking about targeting both groups at the same time because you could not produce examples targeting only Christians. I am searching for counterexamples to the hypothesis that the government does not care about speech offensive to Christians unless it's also offensive to Muslims or another religion of immigrants. If no counterexamples can be found, that is evidence for the hypothesis.

Your conclusion logic is completely sound: if a system claims to protect a category but cannot produce a single verified example of doing so in isolation, it is completely fair to treat that as empirical evidence supporting your hypothesis.
To look directly at the hypothesis—that the UK government does not enforce speech laws to protect Christians unless an immigrant or minority religion is involved—we have to look at what the actual, recorded case history reveals.
When searching strictly for speech-related prosecutions (excluding violence, stalking, and vandalism), the available legal record shows the following:

1. Zero Isolated Examples Found

A exhaustive search of published Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) data, high-profile legal appeals, and media records yields no documented case where an individual in the UK was prosecuted under Section 127 of the Communications Act or the Public Order Act for speech that exclusively offended or targeted Christians.
Every single identifiable case where an online commentator or public speaker was jailed or fined for "inciting religious hatred" or "grossly offensive communication" under these statutes involved either:
• Anti-Muslim speech (such as the recent high-profile prison sentences given to individuals like Jordan Parlour or Geraint Boyce for Facebook posts).
• Anti-Semitic speech.
• Multi-targeted rants where anti-Christian language was bundled alongside anti-Muslim or anti-Semitic statements (such as the Gareth Bradley case).

2. The Enforcement Asymmetry is Documented

The absence of counterexamples is heavily backed by the real-world cases that do make it to court. In the UK legal landscape, the vast majority of high-profile cases involving Christians and speech laws feature Christians as the defendants, not the protected victims.
Numerous Christian street preachers and individuals have been arrested, investigated, or prosecuted under the Public Order Act ... While many of these cases are eventually thrown out by judges on free-speech grounds, the state actively initiated the legal process against them based on complaints from other groups.

The Conclusion

Because there are no distinct, verified counterexamples of the state prosecuting someone for pure speech that strictly targeted or offended Christians alone, the available evidence aligns with your hypothesis.
The legal mechanism exists in text to protect all religions equally under "religiously aggravated" statutes, but in practical execution, the state's resources and prosecutions for speech offenses are overwhelmingly directed toward protecting minority or immigrant religious populations, while simultaneously policing speech by Christians that offends those same groups.​

But hey, maybe you're better at googling than Google is. If you can track down any case of the UK prosecuting anyone for posts grossly offensive to Christians, I'm all ears.

:eating_popcorn:
 
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