He's had minor dealings with a lot of people but the names aren't just one-shot cases.
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He's had minor dealings with a lot of people but the names aren't just one-shot cases.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Let's see, I said both a Republican president and a Democrat president have a credible rape accusation. That means I support one of them over the other.
That makes sense?
Elixir
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Even more adorable when they pretend that their every denial exists in a vacuum, not tainted by the context of their posting history.
And while there are countries that go lower they aren't white.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Good point, my posting history does show I'm not a partisan Republican. His accusation does hang in a vacuum, wherein he tries to imagine since I pointed the finger at both parties it means I pointed it only at one.
That you consider Trump and Clinton are sexual predators on equal footing? Yeah, it says a lot. Neither are golden, but one is clearly worse than the other, your whataboutisms notwithstanding.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Both of them had multiple accusations. It will be interesting to see what the answer to my question is - which one comes out worse from this Epstein case. That's what I'm looking forward to finding out. With any luck it topples most of the government, and there is that possibility.
Angra Mainyu
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I doubt either of them would be seriously affected. Clinton because he is mostly irrelevant in politics these days, so not much of an effort will likely focus on him. Trump because most people seem to have made up his mind about him, and most of his voters will likely stick with him over an alternative, due to policy rather than personal character considerations.
But I don't know who will be more seriously hurt. As for toppling most of the government, it's not happening.
Lawyer for one of the victims says that Trump only high profile person to help. Go to 5:30 mark:
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It should go without saying, but a lot of people on the right seem to have forgotten (deliberately) that their chief beef with Clinton was regarding his personal character. The GOP field for the 2000 election was basically "who can wipe the stain of infidelity and impropriety from the White House and restore the dignity of the Presidency?" The party rebranded themselves as the "family values" party in large part to set them apart from the cad who had cheated on his wife. Perish the thought. And of course the impeachment came from a lie Clinton told during a case of sexual harassment. It's almost easy to forget that the investigation which kicked it all off was into a shady real estate deal.
The Democrats self-corrected. Remember John Edwards? Cheated on his wife. Political career ended. Al Franken was caught not actually touching a woman's breasts. Political career ended.
The Republicans did a 180, throwing their full weight behind a man who cheated on his first wife with his second, his second with his third, his third with a porn star (that he paid hush money to) and by the way he made his fortune in real estate deals that make Whitewater look amateurish by comparison. The fact that Trump is friends with Epstein will not hurt him with either his supporters or his party, because they've abandoned all pretense of being the "family values" standard-bearers. If it turns out he actually assaulted a young girl or two, I have serious doubts that they'll abandon him.
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The evidence is pretty clear that he's assaulted women in the past. "She's not my type" rather than "I respect the consent of women" or even "I don't rape, that's disgusting and wrong".
Just "I've known Epstein a long time and he likes em young!"
And we have at least one apologist for him in here regularly trying to muddy the waters "it's not pedophilia, she was 14", and "it's just an accusation don't end lives over mere accusations".
I think I'm going to do some digging today for some threads where a certain poster is demonizing a woman or a black person based on accusations, anyone else down?
J842P
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Sorry, but the accusations against both are pretty bad, I can't say either is worse. Trump is simply more vulgar.
Derec
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Not at all. I am merely defending the truth. If Epstein is guilty of the crimes he is being charged with, he should be convicted. But that does not make him, or the other men that anonymous jpeg accused of "pedophilia" such.
Derec
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Sauce for the gander and all that ...
Derec
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Or maybe the "info" in that anonymous jpeg is wrong.
Derec
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Always? No. Few things are always true. There are usually long tales of the distribution.
But vast majority of girls are, which is my point.
By the way, what do you think the age of consent should be? Because 16 is legal in many US states, all of Canada and almost all of Europe. Do you think all these jurisdictions are wrong and that people (like John Casablancas, one of the men mentioned in that anonymous jpeg) having a sexual relationship with 16 year olds are "pedophiles"?
Derec
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Ad hominem, but then again I expect nothing more from you.
It's not ok to rape anybody at any age. If Epstein is guilty of rape and the feds can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, he should be convicted.
However, the anonymous jpeg I was replying about accused people other than Epstein of being "pedophiles".
Including one who had a consensual sexual relationship with a 16 year old model. That is not rape, is not pedophilia and is actually perfectly legal in many places.
Epstein can't be that powerful if he could not even be tipped off that the feds were investigating again and were ready to arrest him again.
Derec
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Can't keep track of all accusations against Trump, but have any of them even testified under oath? I know this E. Jean "sexy rape" Carroll has not.
Also, isn't it an article of faith on the Left these days that women must automatically be believed?
Or are we to believe all accusations against say Brett Kavenaugh, but not say against Justin Fairfax?
Derec
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Not being one-shot doesn't mean they are friends either. People can have decades long business relationships without being friends.
Also, the accusation that these men are "pedophiles" is BS.
I looked up one of them - John Casablancas. Consensual relationship with a 16 year old model. Not even close to pedophilia, and if fact legal in most of the developed world.
So that anonymous jpeg is bullshit. I get not liking Trump, but that does not mean one must accept every bit of anonymous internet propaganda against him. Especially since even if it were all true, it would only be "guilt by association".