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Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

 
 
 
C’’mon. What Gaetz did was barely illegal. No more so than going 30mph in a 25mph zone, especially when he didn’t happen to see a speed limit sign.

It’s not like he wore a tan suit!!
 
There's a website where you can search through the 20,000 emails that the Democrats released. I'm putting words in I have seen from reports such as "Trump" "Donnie" "bikinis" etc. I found this one which was interesting:

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I am certain all of these points have been touched on elsewhere, but what I find interesting is that it shows that Epstein DID know Trump way more than Trump claimed. Epstein's ex Lauren Petrella was said to have been given to Trump. She also had made claims against Trump which are discussed in this tweet:


The email snapshot in the tweet is the same as the top portion of the email you can get from the first link I provided above. So it's authentic.

I have also confirmed the Boston Globe article. Here is a referene:

The Boston Globe​

Sun, Apr 17, 2016 ·Page A19

The article is about a lawsuit by Jill Harth, a beauty pageant contestant but the article goes into many allegations by (some of) the contestants. Lauren Petrella was one of them.

A big thing left to confirm is whether this Lauren Petrella person was once dating Epstein. Okay, so Houraney had a companion lawsuit and owned American Dream Calendar back in 1993 or thereabouts at the time in question. I found a copy of this calendar on ebay and it lists Lauren Petrella (from Willowick OH). So this is the right company and person.

It is pretty well-known that one of Epstein's things was to own modeling agencies, contests, or be closely associated to them and people in power and to use this to get after the girls. So, the question is if there is a significant connection between American Dream Calendar company and Epstein, then it at least shows that Epstein having Lauren as a "girlfriend" is very plausible....not a proof but he would have known her and given his appetites would probably have harassed her or more. So was there a connection?

Yes, a significant one.

George Houraney, a businessman whose American Dream Calendar Girls beauty contest had been running in Las Vegas casinos since 1978, recalls encountering Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in January 1993. Houraney says that Trump asked him to organise a party that month with some of his pageant’s finalists, promising to invite heads of modelling agencies and prospective sponsors for his competition. “He had me fly in all these girls, and gave me a $30,000 budget for airfares and limos to pick them up at the airport,” he says. “The girls were all decked out, expecting to meet all these VIPs.” But after an hour at the party, Houraney says, there seemed to be only one other guest: Epstein. “I was like, ‘Donald, where are the guys? What’s going on here?’ And he said, ‘Well, this is it.’” Houraney says he realised “this is a Jeff Epstein party, basically”.

While suspicious of Epstein, Houraney was keen to have Trump as a business partner.
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Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
There's a website where you can search through the 20,000 emails that the Democrats released. I'm putting words in I have seen from reports such as "Trump" "Donnie" "bikinis" etc. I found this one which was interesting:

Pinpoint

journaliststudio.google.com journaliststudio.google.com

I am certain all of these points have been touched on elsewhere, but what I find interesting is that it shows that Epstein DID know Trump way more than Trump claimed. Epstein's ex Lauren Petrella was said to have been given to Trump. She also had made claims against Trump which are discussed in this tweet:


The email snapshot in the tweet is the same as the top portion of the email you can get from the first link I provided above. So it's authentic.

I have also confirmed the Boston Globe article. Here is a referene:

The Boston Globe​

Sun, Apr 17, 2016 ·Page A19

The article is about a lawsuit by Jill Harth, a beauty pageant contestant but the article goes into many allegations by (some of) the contestants. Lauren Petrella was one of them.

A big thing left to confirm is whether this Lauren Petrella person was once dating Epstein. Okay, so Houraney had a companion lawsuit and owned American Dream Calendar back in 1993 or thereabouts at the time in question. I found a copy of this calendar on ebay and it lists Lauren Petrella (from Willowick OH). So this is the right company and person.

It is pretty well-known that one of Epstein's things was to own modeling agencies, contests, or be closely associated to them and people in power and to use this to get after the girls. So, the question is if there is a significant connection between American Dream Calendar company and Epstein, then it at least shows that Epstein having Lauren as a "girlfriend" is very plausible....not a proof but he would have known her and given his appetites would probably have harassed her or more. So was there a connection?

Yes, a significant one.

George Houraney, a businessman whose American Dream Calendar Girls beauty contest had been running in Las Vegas casinos since 1978, recalls encountering Epstein at Mar-a-Lago in January 1993. Houraney says that Trump asked him to organise a party that month with some of his pageant’s finalists, promising to invite heads of modelling agencies and prospective sponsors for his competition. “He had me fly in all these girls, and gave me a $30,000 budget for airfares and limos to pick them up at the airport,” he says. “The girls were all decked out, expecting to meet all these VIPs.” But after an hour at the party, Houraney says, there seemed to be only one other guest: Epstein. “I was like, ‘Donald, where are the guys? What’s going on here?’ And he said, ‘Well, this is it.’” Houraney says he realised “this is a Jeff Epstein party, basically”.

While suspicious of Epstein, Houraney was keen to have Trump as a business partner.
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This is all so very expected.
 
Derec said:
Why do you say that she looked like a "child"
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What’s your point?
Looks like you’re unsurprisingly trying to imply that if a fifteen year old looks like she’s thirty because she’s been rode hard and put away wet, it’s okay for a guy like you to buy sex from her?
 
Elixir said:
What’s your point?
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My point is that bilby had no way of knowing the 17 year old hooker "looked like a child" and merely assumed it as some sort of article of faith.

My point is also bilby's ridiculous standards when he dug in replying to me. He admitted that he thinks that she "looked like a child" because she must have looked younger than 30-something Gaetz. Which is a ridiculous standard to claim somebody "looks like a child", and even you should have to admit that much.
Looks like you’re unsurprisingly trying to imply that if a fifteen year old looks like she’s thirty because she’s been rode hard and put away wet, it’s okay for a guy like you to buy sex from her?
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First of all, why does your Ilk always try to make points by making it personal. It just shows how intellectually bankrupt your position is, or else you would not feel the need to resort to such cheap tricks.

That said, no, I do not think 15 (or 17) year olds should be sex workers. But if a 17 year old (as the hooker in the Gaetz case was, not 15 as you stated) lies about her age and states that she was 18, then I do not think the customer did anything wrong.
 
Derec said:
Elixir said:
Derec said:
Elixir said:
What’s your point?
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My point is that bilby had no way of knowing the 17 year old hooker "looked like a child" and merely assumed it as some sort of article of faith.

My point is also bilby's ridiculous standards when he dug in replying to me. He admitted that he thinks that she "looked like a child" because she must have looked younger than 30-something Gaetz. Which is a ridiculous standard to claim somebody "looks like a child", and even you should have to admit that much.
Looks like you’re unsurprisingly trying to imply that if a fifteen year old looks like she’s thirty because she’s been rode hard and put away wet, it’s okay for a guy like you to buy sex from her?
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First of all, why does your Ilk always try to make points by making it personal. It just shows how intellectually bankrupt your position is, or else you would not feel the need to resort to such cheap tricks.

That said, no, I do not think 15 (or 17) year olds should be sex workers. But if a 17 year old (as the hooker in the Gaetz case was, not 15 as you stated) lies about her age and states that she was 18, then I do not think the customer did anything wrong.
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Yeah, because there is nothing sleazy about 30+ men purchasing sex from teenage girls.

Having parented a teen girl and who listened to her many friends, they found older (10+ yrs) men hitting on them to very creepy. Maybe they aren’t a representative sample, but I’d need evidence to convince me of that.
 
Derec said:
Elixir said:
What’s your point?
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My point is that bilby had no way of knowing the 17 year old hooker "looked like a child" and merely assumed it as some sort of article of faith.

My point is also bilby's ridiculous standards when he dug in replying to me. He admitted that he thinks that she "looked like a child" because she must have looked younger than 30-something Gaetz. Which is a ridiculous standard to claim somebody "looks like a child", and even you should have to admit that much.
Looks like you’re unsurprisingly trying to imply that if a fifteen year old looks like she’s thirty because she’s been rode hard and put away wet, it’s okay for a guy like you to buy sex from her?
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First of all, why does your Ilk always try to make points by making it personal. It just shows how intellectually bankrupt your position is, or else you would not feel the need to resort to such cheap tricks.

That said, no, I do not think 15 (or 17) year olds should be sex workers. But if a 17 year old (as the hooker in the Gaetz case was, not 15 as you stated) lies about her age and states that she was 18, then I do not think the customer did anything wrong.
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I do. ‘They claimed they were old enough’ is not a defense when a bar serves underaged kids. And I definitely don’t trust Gaetz’s word. I know that some individuals look younger or older than they are. But a few minutes of conversation tends to reveal a lot. And if you are specifically looking at someone who looks barely legal, then you really need to be sure.
 
Derec said:

That said, no, I do not think 15 (or 17) year olds should be sex workers. But if a 17 year old (as the hooker in the Gaetz case was, not 15 as you stated) lies about her age and states that she was 18, then I do not think the customer did anything wrong.
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Was the customer somewhere where purchasing sex from an 18 year old is legal? Because if not then I can think of at least one thing the customer did wrong.
 
Derec said:
My point is that bilby had no way of knowing the 17 year old hooker "looked like a child" and merely assumed it as some sort of article of faith.
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A 17 year old IS a child, so whatever they look like, they look like a child. It's not "faith", it's tautology.
 
Derec said:
My point is also bilby's ridiculous standards when he dug in replying to me. He admitted that he thinks that she "looked like a child" because she must have looked younger than 30-something Gaetz.
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Quote me.

I "admitted" nothing, having said and done nothing wrong nor questionable.
 
Now back on topic I read earlier that some Republicans are quietly saying they expect somewhere between 40 and 100 Republicans to vote for the release of the Epstein files. I hope that's true. We need more to have some courage and stand up to their dictator.

And no, I don't think it's right for an adult man to have sex with a teenager. Plus, based on what I've read, it's the male's responsibility to determine the age of the young woman he has sex with. So, if a 16 year old claims to be 18, the guy better ask for proof, like a driver's license for example. If he's unsure of the girl's age, he needs to find a woman who is older and willing to have sex with him. Otherwise, it's statutory rape, regardless if she lied about her age. Men should not take advantage of a teenager's immaturity. In some states the age of consent is 16, which is too young, unless we're talking about the Romeo and Juliet exception. Two teens do stupid things like have sex and end up with an unwanted pregnancy. That has always been very common and considering how difficult it is these days for girls to get effective birth control, and how so many guys hate wearing condoms......
 
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