Europe submits voluntarily

[Loren Pechtel]

What does that have to do with Iraq? Iraq got stomped because he became a danger to others, not merely to his own people.

In February 2001 before the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people Colin Powell spoke in Egypt. This is what he said about Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm

You sir are full of shit.

It is people like you that are the problem. A supporter of US terrorism.

He was stomped in 1990.

We went back and finished the job because we were tired of only getting compliance when our army was stationed over there. It wasn't that he was a current threat, but that keeping him from becoming a threat again was being too big a pain.

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Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

Do you have one fucking inkling of human history?

Nothing but nonstop fighting between humans.

To think Islam is to blame is to be incredibly ignorant.

Islam is no worse than many things of the past.

It's just that we have grown more civilized these days while Islam is still living in the past.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The deaths from the Sanctions are the responsibility of the people who instituted them.

They were murderous and everyone knew they were murderous yet they remained in place.

The resignation of two senior United Nations officials this month, in protest against the continuation of economic sanctions on Iraq, has caused political embarrassment to the US and British governments and their policy of maintaining the embargo on the Persian Gulf nation. It has once again brought to public attention the enormous suffering being inflicted on the Iraqi people by the administrations of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President Bill Clinton.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/02/iraq-f25.html

Another person who overlooked the key fact: Saddam didn't spend all the money he had available for food. So long as this is true you can't blame any malnutrition deaths on the sanctions.

I don't care what the world socialist website says about it and what the UN says means little more.

No country can spend 'all its money on food'. It has to pay civil servants wages, for city infrastructures, water, gas, policing, and defence etc.

You're sticking your head ever deeper into the sand.

There was money specifically for buying food. Saddam wanted to use the money for weapons and kept playing games instead of buying food with it.

Iraq was actually exchanging oil for food. The oil was the currency. In fact some of the money was used for reparations toward Kuwait. He didn't need weapons, as we had already supplied these.

It's the oil-for-food program I'm talking about!!

The fact that Saddam didn't spend all the oil-for-food money means that we can't be blamed for a lack of food.

 

[untermensche]

In February 2001 before the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people Colin Powell spoke in Egypt. This is what he said about Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm

You sir are full of shit.

It is people like you that are the problem. A supporter of US terrorism.

He was stomped in 1990.

We went back and finished the job because we were tired of only getting compliance when our army was stationed over there. It wasn't that he was a current threat, but that keeping him from becoming a threat again was being too big a pain.

You change your tune at the speed of light.

First you say he was a threat. When that is shown to be a total lie you shift to some nonsense about our army stationed somewhere.

You have no integrity on this topic.

You support murderous sanctions and terrorist attacks.

After the first Gulf War there was an uprising against Hussein.

Instead of protecting it and supporting it the US, which easily could have stopped him, let Hussein crush it.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The deaths from the Sanctions are the responsibility of the people who instituted them.

They were murderous and everyone knew they were murderous yet they remained in place.

The resignation of two senior United Nations officials this month, in protest against the continuation of economic sanctions on Iraq, has caused political embarrassment to the US and British governments and their policy of maintaining the embargo on the Persian Gulf nation. It has once again brought to public attention the enormous suffering being inflicted on the Iraqi people by the administrations of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President Bill Clinton.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/02/iraq-f25.html

Another person who overlooked the key fact: Saddam didn't spend all the money he had available for food. So long as this is true you can't blame any malnutrition deaths on the sanctions.

I don't care what the world socialist website says about it and what the UN says means little more.

No country can spend 'all its money on food'. It has to pay civil servants wages, for city infrastructures, water, gas, policing, and defence etc.

You're sticking your head ever deeper into the sand.

There was money specifically for buying food. Saddam wanted to use the money for weapons and kept playing games instead of buying food with it.

Iraq was actually exchanging oil for food. The oil was the currency. In fact some of the money was used for reparations toward Kuwait. He didn't need weapons, as we had already supplied these.

It's the oil-for-food program I'm talking about!!

The fact that Saddam didn't spend all the oil-for-food money means that we can't be blamed for a lack of food.

Saddam did not spend all the oil-for-food money because the West controlled the bank accounts as earlier mentioned. Payments were in escrow and deductions were paid to Kuwait for reparations and for covering the West's operations.


Iraq was actually exchanging oil for food. The oil was the currency. In fact some of the money was used for reparations toward Kuwait. He didn't need weapons, as we had already supplied these. See here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme
Background and design

The Oil-for-Food Programme was instituted to relieve the extended suffering of civilians as the result of the comprehensive sanctions on Iraq from the UN, following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in August 1990.

Security Council Resolution 706 of 15 August 1991 was introduced to allow the sale of Iraqi oil in exchange for food.[4]

Security Council Resolution 712 of 19 September 1991 confirmed that Iraq could sell up to US$1.6 billion in oil to fund an Oil-For-Food Programme.[5]

After an initial refusal, Iraq signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) in May 1996 for arrangements to be taken for the implementation of that resolution.

The Oil-for-Food Programme started in December 1996, and the first shipments of food arrived in March 1997. Sixty percent of Iraq's twenty-six million people were solely dependent on rations from the oil-for-food plan.

The programme used an escrow system. Oil exported from Iraq was paid for by the recipient into an escrow account possessed until 2001 by BNP Paribas bank, rather than to the Iraqi government. The money was then apportioned to pay for war reparations to Kuwait, ongoing coalition and United Nations operations within Iraq. The remainder, the majority of the revenue, was available to the Iraqi government to purchase regulated items.

The Iraqi government was permitted to purchase only items that were not embargoed under the economic sanctions. Certain items, such as raw foodstuffs, were expedited for immediate shipment, but requests for most items, including such simple things as pencils and folic acid, were reviewed in a process that typically took about six months before shipment was authorized. Items deemed to have any potential application in chemical, biological or nuclear weapons systems development were not available to the regime, regardless of stated purpose.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Saddam did not spend all the oil-for-food money because the West controlled the bank accounts as earlier mentioned. Payments were in escrow and deductions were paid to Kuwait for reparations and for covering the West's operations.

The fact that he spent some of it doesn't prove he spent it all.

So long as there was non-trivial unspent money he wasn't doing his best and thus the blame falls on him.

(Not to mention the fact that he actually sold some of the food on the black market to get money for weapons.)

 

[whichphilosophy]

Saddam did not spend all the oil-for-food money because the West controlled the bank accounts as earlier mentioned. Payments were in escrow and deductions were paid to Kuwait for reparations and for covering the West's operations.

The fact that he spent some of it doesn't prove he spent it all.

So long as there was non-trivial unspent money he wasn't doing his best and thus the blame falls on him.

(Not to mention the fact that he actually sold some of the food on the black market to get money for weapons.)

He sold oil on the black market. This is what happens during an embargo. Also some food will have found its way into the black market. We had this in the UK during WWII.
He didn't need to buy weapons because he was stacked with them. We supplied them over a period of years. What we did not find, however, was the reason for the second war, (the repercussions which we are experiencing in the regions today) was evidence of WMDs. That is to say we had supplied him with biological weapons before but not sufficient to meet the UN definition where these would cause widespread devastation and loos of life. This would also include Nuclear weapons, of which there were none.

Throughout the 1990's large quantities of chemical weapons were destroyed by the UN until their withdrawal in 1998 prior to Desert Storm. This was a unilateral action by Blair and Bush.

 

[bigfield]

Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

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It's political correctness that's causing governments to ignore advice from people who know better than to let backward ideological Islamics in by the millions.

It's more likely that the policymakers are not so stupid as to base their policies on the opinions of pseudo-experts like Bill French or some Henny Penny bloggers.

Instead of admitting the many thousands of persecuted xtians and other non muslim minorities in instead.

Which European countries are refusing to grant refuge to non-Muslim asylum seekers?

People that will integrate with Western culture instead of people claiming to be fleeing from persecution but who when their numbers reach high enough want to introduce their way of life they left behind!

:laughing-smiley-014

Your arithmetic much be spectacularly poor if you think that this is a possibility.

Keeping your head in the sand won't change a thing!

Repeatedly claiming that the sky is falling won't make it so.

Denying meteors fall from the sky again are we?

That's funny, because your fears are about as reasonable as a fear of being killed by a meteor.

Repeatedly claiming that the sky is falling won't make it so.

The sky may not come crashing down about your ears in dramatic fashion. Slowly but surely, it is being gently lowered.

If you were going for 'clever', you missed, ending up closer to 'irrational fearmongering'.

 

[bilby]

Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

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It's political correctness that's causing governments to ignore advice from people who know better than to let backward ideological Islamics in by the millions.

It's more likely that the policymakers are not so stupid as to base their policies on the opinions of pseudo-experts like Bill French or some Henny Penny bloggers.

Instead of admitting the many thousands of persecuted xtians and other non muslim minorities in instead.

Which European countries are refusing to grant refuge to non-Muslim asylum seekers?

People that will integrate with Western culture instead of people claiming to be fleeing from persecution but who when their numbers reach high enough want to introduce their way of life they left behind!

:laughing-smiley-014

Your arithmetic much be spectacularly poor if you think that this is a possibility.

Keeping your head in the sand won't change a thing!

Repeatedly claiming that the sky is falling won't make it so.

Denying meteors fall from the sky again are we?

That's funny, because your fears are about as reasonable as a fear of being killed by a meteor.

I expect his house is located beneath a mile or two of reinforced concrete, just in case.

 

[angelo]

Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

Do you have one fucking inkling of human history?

Nothing but nonstop fighting between humans.

To think Islam is to blame is to be incredibly ignorant.

Oh, and blaming all the world's ills on Jews isn't?

 

[untermensche]

Do you have one fucking inkling of human history?

Nothing but nonstop fighting between humans.

To think Islam is to blame is to be incredibly ignorant.

Oh, and blaming all the world's ills on Jews isn't?

Wow.

It would probably be better to try to communicate with a chicken.

Humans have been killing each other for a long time.

That includes Muslims by some strange coincidence.

 

[TSwizzle]

The self destruction of Europe draws closer;

A Norwegian politician has spoken of how how he felt guilty that the Somali asylum seeker who raped him was deported. Karsten Nordal Hauken, from Ås, Akershus, was raped in his home and the perpetrator was subsequently caught and jailed for 4.5 years. However, when Nordal Hauken found out that the man was to be deported back to Somalia after serving his time, he reveals he felt guilt that the man would possibly face hardship in his old country.

DailyMail

 

[whichphilosophy]

In February 2001 before the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people Colin Powell spoke in Egypt. This is what he said about Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm

You sir are full of shit.

It is people like you that are the problem. A supporter of US terrorism.

He was stomped in 1990.

We went back and finished the job because we were tired of only getting compliance when our army was stationed over there. It wasn't that he was a current threat, but that keeping him from becoming a threat again was being too big a pain.

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Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

Do you have one fucking inkling of human history?

Nothing but nonstop fighting between humans.

To think Islam is to blame is to be incredibly ignorant.

Islam is no worse than many things of the past.

It's just that we have grown more civilized these days while Islam is still living in the past.

We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The self destruction of Europe draws closer;

A Norwegian politician has spoken of how how he felt guilty that the Somali asylum seeker who raped him was deported. Karsten Nordal Hauken, from Ås, Akershus, was raped in his home and the perpetrator was subsequently caught and jailed for 4.5 years. However, when Nordal Hauken found out that the man was to be deported back to Somalia after serving his time, he reveals he felt guilt that the man would possibly face hardship in his old country.

DailyMail

Perhaps he will miss him when he's gone.
Anyway those immigrant who turn out to be rapists are a pain in the butt and should be deported.

 

[angelo]

In February 2001 before the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people Colin Powell spoke in Egypt. This is what he said about Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm

You sir are full of shit.

It is people like you that are the problem. A supporter of US terrorism.

He was stomped in 1990.

We went back and finished the job because we were tired of only getting compliance when our army was stationed over there. It wasn't that he was a current threat, but that keeping him from becoming a threat again was being too big a pain.

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Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

Do you have one fucking inkling of human history?

Nothing but nonstop fighting between humans.

To think Islam is to blame is to be incredibly ignorant.

Islam is no worse than many things of the past.

It's just that we have grown more civilized these days while Islam is still living in the past.

We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

There's still no threat to the West from Iraq. The only threat to Western culture is from Islam in general.

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In February 2001 before the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people Colin Powell spoke in Egypt. This is what he said about Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2001/933.htm

You sir are full of shit.

It is people like you that are the problem. A supporter of US terrorism.

He was stomped in 1990.

We went back and finished the job because we were tired of only getting compliance when our army was stationed over there. It wasn't that he was a current threat, but that keeping him from becoming a threat again was being too big a pain.

- - - Updated - - -

Right on the button as I expected. Any excuse to blame the Jews for the troubles of theocratic islamic countries who have been fighting each other and any other culture since their bloodthirsty founder Mo was a young warmonger.

Do you have one fucking inkling of human history?

Nothing but nonstop fighting between humans.

To think Islam is to blame is to be incredibly ignorant.

Islam is no worse than many things of the past.

It's just that we have grown more civilized these days while Islam is still living in the past.

We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

There's still no threat to the West from Iraq. The only threat to Western culture is from Islam in general.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

Taking over the oil producing lands would have been a big problem for us.

 

[angelo]

We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

Taking over the oil producing lands would have been a big problem for us.

Imagine negotiating with Saddam over oil prices and supply. Would not have been a picnic that's for sure!

 

[whichphilosophy]

We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

Taking over the oil producing lands would have been a big problem for us.

Taking over the oil producing lands was a big problem for us.

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We found no evidence of any threat to our security originating in Iraq under Hussein's dictatorship. Not one bomb, not one conspiracy to attack Western interests.

Taking over the oil producing lands would have been a big problem for us.

Taking over the oil producing lands was a big problem for us.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Taking over the oil producing lands would have been a big problem for us.

Imagine negotiating with Saddam over oil prices and supply. Would not have been a picnic that's for sure!

He was our man in Iraq and prices were negotiated as other countries did. After Kuwait it was Oil for Food. Now we have a fragmented region and mass immigration. Now that ISIS are on the run in Syria and Iraq I am sure some will piggy back on the refugees to enter Europe. (In case of doubt just throw away any ID).

 

[angelo]

The Islamic ideology has destroyed most of the Middle East. It will just continue once Europe is islaminised.

 

[barbos]

The self destruction of Europe draws closer;

A Norwegian politician has spoken of how how he felt guilty that the Somali asylum seeker who raped him was deported. Karsten Nordal Hauken, from Ås, Akershus, was raped in his home and the perpetrator was subsequently caught and jailed for 4.5 years. However, when Nordal Hauken found out that the man was to be deported back to Somalia after serving his time, he reveals he felt guilt that the man would possibly face hardship in his old country.

DailyMail

Well, from the point of view of evolution it is better to keep that rapist in Norway. Because he has better chances of procreating in Somalia than in Norway, I am assuming he is an equal opportunity rapist.