I can't ever remembering you reading and understanding anything I have written. Instead you have projected things onto me.
I have read and understood. You continually deny that there is any threat from mass migration and reject any restrictions on migration.
You seem to suffer under the illusion that we took in refugees to Europe because it would help our economy. It's was purely a humanitarian mission. A motivation you don't seem to understand.
Well many of those pushing for mass migration are touting supposed economic benefits, which I do not but anyway.
As far as humanitarian motivation, as I said, there were better ways to do that than opening the borders to all and sundry.
Especially when migrants could throw away their documents and claim they were Syrian even if they were Moroccan or something and also could claim to be 15 when they were really 20.
Read this:
At Turkey's frontier with Europe, everyone wants to be Syrian
Reuters said:
Vastly outnumbered by Afghans and Pakistanis at the border, Syrians who have fled their country’s protracted civil war say most of their fellow migrants are jumping on the bandwagon for economic reasons, and then pretending to be Syrian refugees. “It makes me angry when I meet people from Morocco, Pakistan and even Afghanistan,” said 20-year-old Yehya Rais from Aleppo, the scene of some of the heaviest fighting during the war.
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At a kiosk next door, North African migrants said they had come to the border without identification documents so they could claim to be Syrians and boost their chances of asylum - should they make it into the European Union. “Our leaders are corrupt so we have no chance of a decent living,” said Moroccan Bader Abbasi. “If inshallah I make it to Europe I’ll say I’m from Syria otherwise they’ll send me back.” His friends, sipping Turkish tea, nodded in approval.
It's basically fraud, and one that will work as long as asylum officers in Europe are so damn gullible.
That said, taking in refugees, have historically always ended up being an economic net boon for the recipient nation. It just may take a while.
If "it takes a while" how do you know it is due to taking in refugees? It could be that "in a while" the country in question would have been doing even better without refugees. We don't know, as you can't run a control trial with a parallel universe.
Another problem with your view is "historically". Historically refugees taken in by European countries were fellow Europeans. Belgians taken in by England after WWI inspired the character of Hercule Poirot for example. The phenomenon of mass migration from wholly incompatible cultures is a fairly new one . Surely a Belgian police inspector will integrate into UK society and culture much easier than a goat herder from Hindu Kush.
And it can get messy. But if all you care about is money, it's a win win.
Money is not everything in any case.
It was a fucking disgrace that we didn't grant Afghanis refugee status.
Why? Afghans are the ones causing most problems, the most violent crime and also are most Islamist (99% believe in Shariah Law).
They had an on-going civil war. They still do.
Not in every part of the country. And their primary reason to move is safety, they are crossing thousand of miles of safe territory just because they want to reach rich European countries.
Read about
this Afghan migrant: ended up in Romania, but he doesn't want to stay and apply for asylum there (even though it's safe) because he wants to reach Norway illegally. That's no longer being a refugee.
Info Migrants said:
Ahmad* is a migrant from Afghanistan. He hopes to reach Norway in order to get an education but has been repeatedly stopped at the Hungarian border. A few weeks ago he was faced with a choice, apply for asylum in Romania, or be sent back to Afghanistan. He has applied but he is adamant he doesn’t want to stay in Romania.
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I came to Europe alone because it costs a lot of money and we don’t have much money. The journey from Afghanistan to Europe costs thousands of euros, as you know. I paid €9,500 to get to Serbia and another €5,000 or €6,000 to get to Austria. I borrowed the money from family, cousins and people.
These mass migrants pay a lot of money to illegally come to Europe. Even though there are safe countries much closer to home.
I left Afghanistan in September 2019. My journey is not yet finished because I don’t want to stay in Romania, so it has already taken more than four months. I paid smugglers in Afghanistan to get a visa for Iran. Then I traveled through Iran to Turkey; from Turkey to Greece, then to Macedonia, Serbia, and then Serbia to Romania
Turkey is perfectly safe. It's also a Muslim country. So why didn't he stay there?
USA had leaned on the UN to make them pretend Afghanistan was pacified in order to label it mission accomplished. But it wasn't. As the current situation proves.
Afghanistan has never been really peaceful. And it will likely not become peaceful in our lifetimes. So is EU and US obligated to take unlimited number of Afghans? And same for every other civil war on the face of the Earth? Surely even Sweden has a finite capacity to absorb migrants.
It's a problem with refugees. They have often lost everything. Including papers.
Or more likely they have thrown them away. Read that article about migrants at the Turkish-Greek border.
You have a habit of making demands on refugees designed with the sole purpose of not having to take in any. That just makes you a dick IMHO. It's like putting a gag on a woman and then not calling it rape because she didn't say no.
Not at all. But European countries need to be more selective. The open borders policy of 2015 spearheaded by Merkel proved to be an unmitigated disaster. Designed to help Syrians specifically it attracted Muslims from many other countries - Afghanistan sure, but also Pakistan, Maghreb (Arab North Africa) countries, even Bangladesh. There is no war in most of these countries.
Thousands of people were still flooding onto Greek islands or were picked up by NGO boats in central Mediterranean until the pandemic hit. I suspect the flows will increase to full force yet again as COVID fades.
You can't just take in everybody simply because they want to come it. You can't treat everybody as a minor just because they claim to be one. If there is advantage in being classified as a minor, people will lie. If there is an advantage in claiming to be from Syria or claiming to be persecuted in your country of origin, people will lie about that too.
Being realistic doesn't make me a dick. But even if it did, better a dick than a schmuck!
The majority of the refugees are helped in the region. And has been all the time. Today the Syrian refugees in Lebanon outnumber the Lebanese. Moving more refugees away from the epicentre of trouble is important. The refugee camps in and around Syria are so big and overcrowded that it leads to all manner of social problems. You'd know this if you could be bothered to do your homework.
Well the war in Syria is mostly over anyway. Major fighting is only in the relatively small area of Idlib. So Syrian refugees will be able to move back soon. Most probably could do so safely now.
No reason to move them further away from home - by which you mean Europe and not say UAE or Qatar or Saudi Arabia even though they are fellow Muslim countries.
The vetting process for refugees are already absurdly rigid.
Bullshit! All you need to do is claim to be Syrian and 15.
Sweden child migrant tests 'reveal many adults'
It's many times unnecessarily strict. And you would know this if you could be bothered to look it up.
Whether it is unnecessarily strict is probably a matter of opinion. Still, do you have a link backing up your claim?
That is not the fault of the refugees. That's down to how we chose to design our rules. So far refugees aren't automatically granted immigrant status in Sweden. Sweden changed the refugee law in 2015. As soon as there's peace in Syria all Syrian refugees will be required to return home. Nobody knows how that will be done, since this is a new law.
Probably not very efficiently. When Sweden tried to deport an Afghan criminal, some activist prevented the deportation by refusing to sit down in an airplane. Instead of just removing her from the plane and arresting her, the deportee was removed from the flight instead. Allowing such stunts makes sending migrants home much more difficult, slow and expensive.
What pull factor could be greater than the push factor of having ones home shelled and work place strafe bombed? You're delusional.
Push factor due to real danger from war is like hydrostatic pressure - omnidirectional. Pull factors are directional - pulling toward rich counties with generous benefits. That Afghan from the article above is safe in Romania - no strafing or anything. And yet, there is still a pull factor toward rich Western European countries.
Note also that many mass migrants are pure economic migrants. There is no war in Pakistan or India or Bangladesh. Even many parts of Afghanistan are safe - no shelling or strafing.
When Erdogan opened the border and tried to send many thousands of migrants across into Greece, a few of these migrants died. One of them was a Pakistani who was obviously not in any danger in Pakistan evidenced by him leaving Greece for Pakistan in order to marry a woman there.
The Killing of a Migrant at the Greek-Turkish Border
People like Gulzar are not refugees or genuine asylum seekers and he should never have been allowed into Greece in the first place.
We'll see. But Syria wasn't/isn't a backward nation. They aren't uneducationable. So I don't buy your gloomy outlook. There's a huge difference between the Syrian (not backward) refugees and the Afghani (backward) and Somali (backward as fuck) refugees.
That depends on the part of Syria in question. Obviously there are many uneducated and/or quite radically Islamist people in Syria, mostly in the countryside. If that wasn't true, ISIS could never have taken over large swaths of the country as easily as they have done.
Again, I am not saying "no Syrians". I am saying that host countries must be a lot more selective that they have hitherto been.
