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laughing dog said:
I don’t understand what “funding gain of function research” means. Please explain.
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It's a type of research typically used to study viruses and pathogens. There are 2 hospitals (Westmead and Concord hospitals) and one company (Baxter Pharmaceuticals) currently doing gain of function in Sydney right now. It is very typical internationally and not in any way illegal. but regulated It's a common launching point for tinfoil dipshits who like to promote the theory that everybody "knows" COVID was grown in a lab to mention "gain of function" as some magical phrase. Think "Hunter Biden's laptop", and you're not far off.
Jason Harvestdancer said:
He is accused of funding gain of function research and destroying government records.
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Bring on the investigation. It's been 6 fucking years, why the wait? I'm just going to say if Fauci knowingly and willingly destroyed records there should be consequences. Even if he is pardoned his reputation should be eviscerated at the very least.

But I bet everything I own, everything I've ever owned and everything I will own that this turns out to be bullshit.
 
The evidence centers on National Institutes of Health (NIH) grants awarded to the nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance, which subawarded funds to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) to study bat coronaviruses. Critics and congressional investigators argue this work met definitions for risky gain-of-function (GOF) research, a characterization that Dr. Anthony Fauci and NIH leadership historically disputed based on differing interpretations of federal oversight terminology. [1, 2, 3]

The Grant and Subawards
    • The Project: In 2014, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), led by Fauci, awarded a multi-year grant titled "Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence" to EcoHealth Alliance. [1, 2, 3]
    • The Subgrant: EcoHealth Alliance directed a portion of these federal funds to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to collect coronavirus samples and conduct genetic analyses. [1, 2, 3]

The Core Evidence Presented by Critics
    • Chimeric Virus Experiments: Progress reports and documents reviewed by independent biosafety experts and journalists showed that researchers used reverse genetics to build "chimeric" viruses—combining spike proteins of certain bat coronaviruses with backbones of others—to see how they interacted with human receptor cells in mice. [1, 2, 3]
    • Published Studies: Critics, such as molecular biologist Richard Ebright, pointed to specific published papers resulting from the grant (including a 2017 study) as evidence that the work generated enhanced viral properties that did not exist naturally, fitting broad definitions of gain-of-function. [1]
    • Delayed Reporting and Oversight Failures: Subsequent reviews by the NIH Inspector General and congressional panels revealed that EcoHealth Alliance failed to timely submit required progress reports detailing an unexpected spike in viral growth during specific mouse experiments, violating grant compliance terms. [1, 2, 3]

The Counter-Arguments and Disagreement Over Definitions
    • The NIH Position: Dr. Fauci and other health officials consistently testified under oath that the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan. Their stance relied on formal U.S. government definitions operative at the time. Under those specific guidelines, GOF rules applied primarily to enhancing pathogens known to already infect humans. Because the targeted bat coronaviruses under the grant were not known to infect humans, officials argued the research fell outside the strict regulatory category requiring a specialized risk review. [1, 2, 3]
    • Concessions in Hindsight: Later congressional testimony from high-ranking NIH officials, including former Acting NIH Director Dr. Lawrence Tabak, acknowledged that some of the experiments conducted under the grant would, under broader scientific definitions, be categorized as gain-of-function or "gain-of-function of concern," admitting that oversight and tracking of the subawards to Wuhan could have been stricter. [1, 2]
 
Not to mention that Trump pulled our people out of the Wuhan Lab in 2020.
 
Patooka said:
Bring on the investigation. It's been 6 fucking years, why the wait? I'm just going to say if Fauci knowingly and willingly destroyed records there should be consequences. Even if he is pardoned his reputation should be eviscerated at the very least.

But I bet everything I own, everything I've ever owned and everything I will own that this turns out to be bullshit.
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"Bring on the investigation" is exactly what Sen. Paul was doing. I guess that means you support Sen. Paul's actions? Who am I kidding, of course you don't, even though he's doing exactly what you just called for.

As for Fauci's reputation, it is already pretty eviscerated.
 
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Jason Harvestdancer said:
You want ME to investigate this?
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Yes. Stop whatever it is you are doing and start the investigation right fucking now.
Jason Harvestdancer said:
I didn't know you had such a high opinion of my abilities. Who shall I subpoena first?
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I know you have it in you to accomplish this. Run it how you like boss. Personally, I'm confused as fuck why all the people who are clamouring for Fauci's head (Rand Paul, Josh Hawley, Ron Johnson etc) aren't asking for this, but you are smarter than them and clearly smarter than me. That's why I'm making it a direct order for you to start the investigation.
Jason Harvestdancer said:
As for Fauci's reputation, it is already pretty eviscerated.
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Like I said, Fauci hasn't destroyed any records. And he didn't say anything different than every other virologist in the world was saying at the time. The only difference is leaders in the developed Western world listened and heeded the advice from their medical experts. In the country where the leader was suggesting to its citizens to inject bleach, hospitals had to undergo triage practices and ad hoc morgues had to be established.
 
Patooka said:
Like I said, Fauci hasn't destroyed any records. And he didn't say anything different than every other virologist in the world was saying at the time. The only difference is leaders in the developed Western world listened and heeded the advice from their medical experts.
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We'll never actually know that he hasn't, because he was pre-emptively pardoned and only Sen. Paul is attempting the investigation you are calling for. Isn't it interesting that you and Sen. Paul are accidentally on the same side, for exactly the opposite reason?

Yes, Fauci's reputation is already eviscerated.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Patooka said:
Like I said, Fauci hasn't destroyed any records. And he didn't say anything different than every other virologist in the world was saying at the time. The only difference is leaders in the developed Western world listened and heeded the advice from their medical experts.
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We'll never actually know that he hasn't, because he was pre-emptively pardoned and only Sen. Paul is attempting the investigation you are calling for. Isn't it interesting that you and Sen. Paul are accidentally on the same side, for exactly the opposite reason?

Yes, Fauci's reputation is already eviscerated.
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Sen. Paul is doing nothing of the sort. He is performing political theatre for an audience of one. Big difference.
 
Ford said:
Actually he gave the little summary in his post. Dur hurr it was a bio-weapon something something China, whining that Trump is being treated unfairly, and demanding that liberals agree with this drivel.

RVonse posts one of these videos as soon as he watches them and gets all worked up. Because apparently he thinks a dentist is an expert in infectious diseases.
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former dentist
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
We'll never actually know that he hasn't, because he was pre-emptively pardoned and only Sen. Paul is attempting the investigation you are calling for.
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Don't we already have an absurd amount of details already? Don't we have access to the private communications between him and other medical researchers regarding the initial analysis of Covid-19? When they were investigating the chances it was artificially enhanced... like immediately after it was becoming apparent this was going global?
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Yes, Fauci's reputation is already eviscerated.
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In your imagination, as well as the imaginations of the minds of other people that are ignorant of science and virology and medicine. Of the people that claimed the Covid-19 pandemic was overblown and exaggerated and IT WAS ALL CHINA'S FAULT!!!
 
I wonder how far this sort of discussion would get in Putistan before someone disappeared. Or famously "fell out a window"
Tom
 
Fauci was terrible as a government spokesperson on the COVID epidemic. I cringed when he spoke. He spoke as if he was having informal conversation with science peers.

He’d say maybe its this, but maybe its that, or maybe something else. A poor public speaker
for a non science audience. People needed clarity.

By all accounts an accomplished scientist, but the wrong guy to speak to the public.

What I heard quoted from his personal diary Is troubling Plus his taking the 5th.
 
We have collaborated with China on health issues. I am not a conspiracy theorist but taking it all in specifically Fauci taking the 5th I can not help but think there imay be a cover up or he is hiding something. Science has not been immune to corruption, mistakes, and cover ups.

Eisenhower is known for ‘beware of the government military industrial complex’, he also said ‘beware on the science government complex’.

In his January 17, 1961, farewell address, President Dwight D. Eisenhower famously warned the nation about the military-industrial complex. He also explicitly cautioned against a second, closely related threat: the capture of public policy by a scientific-technological elite driven by federal funding and project money.
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AI Overview
Yes, the United States and China have a long history of substantive public health collaboration dating back to 1979. Over four decades, agencies like the U.S. CDC and NIH partnered with Chinese counterparts on major initiatives, including building China’s public health infrastructure, eradicating polio, tracking birth defects, and combating HIV/AIDS, avian flu, and SARS.
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Federal and local investigations have uncovered unauthorized, Chinese-linked biological laboratories operating inside residential properties in the United States. These cases—notably in Reedley, California, and Las Vegas, Nevada—involved unsanctioned medical-grade materials, thousands of genetically modified lab mice, and containers labeled with dangerous infectious pathogens.
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It is not all that far fetched that there may have been some concretion between us and a lab in China.
 
steve_bank said:
Fauci was terrible as a government spokesperson on the COVID epidemic. I cringed when he spoke. He spoke as if he was having informal conversation with science peers.

He’d say maybe its this, but maybe its that, or maybe something else. A poor public speaker
for a non science audience. People needed clarity.

By all accounts an accomplished scientist, but the wrong guy to speak to the public.

What I heard quoted from his personal diary Is troubling Plus his taking the 5th.
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I’m sure Musk’s AI is reading you only the best excerpts from his notes.
 
Republicans think transgenic mice have had a sex change and that ivermectin is an effective anti-viral medication. And have you seen their UFO dumbshit led by Tim Burchet and Anna Luna? You trust their judgement on research?

Coronaviruses are widespread and common. They have a habit of wild zoonotic jumping. We study thing like that to try to stay ahead of new outbreaks. But hey, let just inject disinfectants and drink raw milk and take testosterone boosters for true health as guided by Trump and his cabinet.
 
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