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So if a beach is closed because of Covid, and someone goes to the beach, and they were arrested, it wasn't because of Covid?
Correct.

They were arrested because they entered a closed area and it was against the law.

It doesn’t matter if the beach is closed due to an outbreak of disease, or because an archaeological treasure was found there and the Smithsonian is trying to preserve it, or if it’s the nesting place of an endangered species, or because surf conditions are so bad it’s better to keep everyone back, or because Donald Trump is hosting a clambake. Whether you are there to swim or steal treasure or capture a rare bird or get your picture taken at Trump’s party, you could be arrested for going into an area closed to the public and Fauci would not be to blame for you getting your dumb ass hauled before a judge.

Of course it matters. The idiocy of arresting a lone paddle boarder will haunt the tyrant Newsom for good. The idiocy went far with him. For example, when the beach restrictions were somewhat lifted, every second parking spot was blocked off, you could walk on the sand but you couldn’t lay down.

“Just following the science”

<Edited By Moderator>, there was no science for this nonsense.
 
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If you repeat "it doesn't matter why the beaches were closed" and "the restrictions were only mild inconveniences" often enough, it doesn't make it any more true.
That is a consequence of absolute truth.
His repetitions don't create truth, that is an absolute truth, we agree.

Jadon Harvestdancer said:
The same goes for asserting that those who resisted Covid fascism are also general vaccine deniers.
”Covid fascism” - that’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.
So you agree that resisting the Covid restrictions doesn't make one a general vaccine denier.

We've agreed twice in one day, there is hope for you.
Resisting Covid restrictions just meant someone was stupid, selfish and kind of an asshole. And helped spread a disease that was deadly for many—still is.
 
So if a beach is closed because of Covid, and someone goes to the beach, and they were arrested, it wasn't because of Covid?
Correct.

They were arrested because they entered a closed area and it was against the law.

It doesn’t matter if the beach is closed due to an outbreak of disease, or because an archaeological treasure was found there and the Smithsonian is trying to preserve it, or if it’s the nesting place of an endangered species, or because surf conditions are so bad it’s better to keep everyone back, or because Donald Trump is hosting a clambake. Whether you are there to swim or steal treasure or capture a rare bird or get your picture taken at Trump’s party, you could be arrested for going into an area closed to the public and Fauci would not be to blame for you getting your dumb ass hauled before a judge.

Of course it matters. The idiocy of arresting a lone paddle boarder will haunt the tyrant Newsom for good. The idiocy went far with him. For example, when the beach restrictions were somewhat lifted, every second parking spot was blocked off, you could walk on the sand but you couldn’t lay down.

“Just following the science”

<Edited By Moderator>, there was no science for this nonsense.
If the law doesn’t apply to everyone, it applies to no one.
 
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Resisting Covid restrictions just meant someone was stupid, selfish and kind of an asshole.
Funnily enough, being a libertarian means much the same thing.

There's a fair bit of overlap between the two groups, and of course, both groups genuinely believe that their stupid, selfish, and assholish behaviours and beliefs are somehow the pinnacle of noble and honourable living.
 
If you repeat "it doesn't matter why the beaches were closed" and "the restrictions were only mild inconveniences" often enough, it doesn't make it any more true.
That is a consequence of absolute truth.
His repetitions don't create truth, that is an absolute truth, we agree.
Statements don’t create truth, they describe it. Covid restrictions did not cause the arrest, the actions of the lawbreakers and the police caused the arrest.

Denying the agency of people is an odd position for a libertarian but not for MAGAs.

Jason Harvestdancer said:
Jadon Harvestdancer said:
The same goes for asserting that those who resisted Covid fascism are also general vaccine deniers.
”Covid fascism” - that’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.
So you agree that resisting the Covid restrictions doesn't make one a general vaccine denier.

We've agreed twice in one day, there is hope for you.
To the functionally literate, I made no comment about vaccine deniers, so your conclusions are false.
 
Jadon Harvestdancer said:
The same goes for asserting that those who resisted Covid fascism are also general vaccine deniers.
”Covid fascism” - that’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.
So you agree that resisting the Covid restrictions doesn't make one a general vaccine denier.
How many more Americans would you be willing to see die from a deadly virus for your stupid Libertarian politics?
How deadly was this particular plague?

So you agree that resisting the Covid restrictions doesn't make one a general vaccine denier.
Resisting Covid restrictions just meant someone was stupid, selfish and kind of an asshole. And helped spread a disease that was deadly for many—still is.
Or, mabye, they refused to make a virtue of cowardice.

Yes, any disease can be deadly under the right circumstances. But we're talking about Covid and the general population.

Covid restrictions did not cause the arrest, the actions of the lawbreakers and the police caused the arrest.
I should have known you appearing to make sense was too good to make true. You don't know what causality is or what a chain of events is.

So you agree that resisting the Covid restrictions doesn't make one a general vaccine denier.
To the functionally literate, I made no comment about vaccine deniers, so your conclusions are false.
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If you thought I was wrong about that part, you would have said so. You didn't say so. QED. You can't allow anyone to see you agreeing with me, so you remain silent in the few cases where you do.

Hey, laughing dog, did you know that the sky is blue?
 
How deadly was this particular plague?
Your country was using refrigeration trucks as impromptu morgues at the time. Kind of a giveaway. So is the fact your hospitals (Florida being the big example) implementing triage protocols because they were that overwhelmed.
Umm, no. They were preparing to use them in case it was bad. There were all sorts of "just in case" measures put into place. If we go by the "just in case" measures it was deadlier than the Black Plague which killed 1/3 of Europe. But there are also actual measured percentages listed in the medical literature that say what are the odds of one surviving this particular ailment.
 
Covid restrictions did not cause the arrest, the actions of the lawbreakers and the police caused the arrest.
I should have known you appearing to make sense was too good to make true. You don't know what causality is or what a chain of events is.
Fascinating, a self- proclaimed libertarian denying the role of agency in human events.

If you thought I was wrong about that part, you would have said so. You didn't say so. QED. You can't allow anyone to see you agreeing with me, so you remain silent in the few cases where you do.
I realize it is hard to believe , but I don’t read or care about everything you post. I generally avoid stepping in your alternative universe. And when I let optimism triumph over experience and step into it, I have to clean my metaphorical shoe.
 
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How deadly was this particular plague?
Well, on one day alone (January 20, 2021), 4,074 Americans died of it, according to Worldometers (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily)

By comparison, the 9/11 attacks killed only 2,977 Americans. Indeed, a quick google suggests that the only disaster with a greater one-day death toll in the USA was the September 8th, 1900, Galveston Hurricane, which claimed between 6,000 and 12,000 lives, mostly lost in a single day.

Total Covid deaths in the US were 1,219,487 up to April 13th, 2024, when Covid stats stopped being seperately collected (from the same Worldometers page linked above). That's ten times the US casualties in The Great War, and three times the US casualties in WWII.

This doesn't sound like the trivial event you are trying to portray it as being. It is still killing Americans, albeit in far smaller numbers now that vaccination is available.

I dunno, maybe you think that the 9/11 attacks, and the two World Wars, were unimportant too.
 
So if a beach is closed because of Covid, and someone goes to the beach, and they were arrested, it wasn't because of Covid?
Correct.

They were arrested because they entered a closed area and it was against the law.

It doesn’t matter if the beach is closed due to an outbreak of disease, or because an archaeological treasure was found there and the Smithsonian is trying to preserve it, or if it’s the nesting place of an endangered species, or because surf conditions are so bad it’s better to keep everyone back, or because Donald Trump is hosting a clambake. Whether you are there to swim or steal treasure or capture a rare bird or get your picture taken at Trump’s party, you could be arrested for going into an area closed to the public and Fauci would not be to blame for you getting your dumb ass hauled before a judge.

Of course it matters. The idiocy of arresting a lone paddle boarder will haunt the tyrant Newsom for good. The idiocy went far with him. For example, when the beach restrictions were somewhat lifted, every second parking spot was blocked off, you could walk on the sand but you couldn’t lay down.

“Just following the science”

Fuck off, there was no science for this nonsense.
If the law doesn’t apply to everyone, it applies to no one.

Excellent, so you will have no issue with the law breakers being deported from US soil by ICE.
 
So if a beach is closed because of Covid, and someone goes to the beach, and they were arrested, it wasn't because of Covid?
Correct.

They were arrested because they entered a closed area and it was against the law.

It doesn’t matter if the beach is closed due to an outbreak of disease, or because an archaeological treasure was found there and the Smithsonian is trying to preserve it, or if it’s the nesting place of an endangered species, or because surf conditions are so bad it’s better to keep everyone back, or because Donald Trump is hosting a clambake. Whether you are there to swim or steal treasure or capture a rare bird or get your picture taken at Trump’s party, you could be arrested for going into an area closed to the public and Fauci would not be to blame for you getting your dumb ass hauled before a judge.

Of course it matters. The idiocy of arresting a lone paddle boarder will haunt the tyrant Newsom for good. The idiocy went far with him. For example, when the beach restrictions were somewhat lifted, every second parking spot was blocked off, you could walk on the sand but you couldn’t lay down.

“Just following the science”

Fuck off, there was no science for this nonsense.
If the law doesn’t apply to everyone, it applies to no one.

Excellent, so you will have no issue with the law breakers being deported from US soil by ICE.
Whereas you do. I suspect you'd prefer them to be sent to concentration camps, Stephen Miller style. And if ICE picks up a few Americans in the process that's acceptable collateral damage.
 
Jason Harvestdancer, this is a serious question. How would you characterize the issuance of a citation or arrest of the driver in this instance:

Colorado was recently hit by severe flooding in the Four Corners area caused by two storms that brought heavy rainfall to the region. The Highway 160 roadway between Pagosa Springs and Durango was severely damaged in places and sections of it were closed. Here is a video of a someone who went around the roadblocks and almost drove onto a collapsed bridge over the Piedra River:



Colorado law states that a road closure takes effect once officials put up traffic control devices giving notice, and after that no driver may disobey them. So my question is, if the driver receives a traffic ticket is it

1. because of heavy rainfall,

2. because the Colorado governor declared a state of emergency in several counties in Southwest Colorado, or

3. because the driver went around a roadblock and drove on a highway that had been closed by State officials.

I think the answer is #3. What say you?


If the driver got a traffic ticket would you blame Governor Polis for it? Would you say that since the floods only killed one person in Pagosa Springs, then the flooding wasn't that bad and closing roads was government overreach?
 
So if a beach is closed because of Covid, and someone goes to the beach, and they were arrested, it wasn't because of Covid?
Correct.

They were arrested because they entered a closed area and it was against the law.

It doesn’t matter if the beach is closed due to an outbreak of disease, or because an archaeological treasure was found there and the Smithsonian is trying to preserve it, or if it’s the nesting place of an endangered species, or because surf conditions are so bad it’s better to keep everyone back, or because Donald Trump is hosting a clambake. Whether you are there to swim or steal treasure or capture a rare bird or get your picture taken at Trump’s party, you could be arrested for going into an area closed to the public and Fauci would not be to blame for you getting your dumb ass hauled before a judge.

Of course it matters. The idiocy of arresting a lone paddle boarder will haunt the tyrant Newsom for good. The idiocy went far with him. For example, when the beach restrictions were somewhat lifted, every second parking spot was blocked off, you could walk on the sand but you couldn’t lay down.

“Just following the science”

Fuck off, there was no science for this nonsense.
If the law doesn’t apply to everyone, it applies to no one.

Excellent, so you will have no issue with the law breakers being deported from US soil by ICE.
Whereas you do. I suspect you'd prefer them to be sent to concentration camps, Stephen Miller style. And if ICE picks up a few Americans in the process that's acceptable collateral damage.
I wonder if TSwizzle is ever concerned that he might be taken fir an undesirable foreigner and end up
 
Perhaps some of you could learn a few things as to why Fauci adopted some of the practices during the height of COVID that saved lives.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent...hat-we-can-learn-from-that-pandemic-1.5531626

More than 100 years ago, the best approach to eradicating the so-called Spanish flu wasn't an "exciting" one. It was tried and true physical distancing.

"That was the public health measure at the time. Be isolated; stay in your homes; don't go out. Don't go to bars; don't go to pool rooms; don't go to church," said renowned physician Dr. Jock Murray, now professor emeritus at Dalhousie University.

Without a vaccine or treatment, there was little public health officials could do to slow the spread of the disease short of asking people around the world to stay home.

Those measures, according to one study, found regions that closed public spaces early on in the pandemic had a death rate that was around 50 per cent lower than those without physical distancing measures.

There are countless articles in scientific sources that describe how social distancing and even wearing masks saved countless lives during the flu epidemic in 1918 to 1920. So, it just made sense that without some magic cure, Fauci and other well trained medical scientists would follow the same rules. My grandmother's first husband died in that flu epidemic, but he was a pharmacist who had a lot of contact with others and that flu was very contagious. Maybe closing a beach was over kill, but if it saved even one life, it was worth it.

Too many people believed the idiot in high office in 2019, and too many people chose to use harmful, ineffective drugs to help fight COVID. When the vaccine was developed, too many people refused to take it, leading to more deaths and hospitalizations.

Fauci is an American hero, and it sickens me when I hear of people criticizing him. I was going to avoid this discussion, but I didn't see anyone mention how what was effective in the deadly flu epidemic of over a century ago, was also effective in the latest deadly viral epidemic. If you would do your own due diligence instead of believing bullshit, you might have a better understanding of why certain practices resulted in fewer cases of COVID.

The only one I know of who died during COVID was out running around without a mask, eating out etc. He died and the woman, who was a nurse I knew, and was hoping to marry him, almost died as well. This was prior to the vaccine. Even some nurses were stupid enough not to follow protocols, but then again, this nurse voted for Trump 3 times.
 
Jadon Harvestdancer said:
The same goes for asserting that those who resisted Covid fascism are also general vaccine deniers.
”Covid fascism” - that’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.
So you agree that resisting the Covid restrictions doesn't make one a general vaccine denier.
How many more Americans would you be willing to see die from a deadly virus for your stupid Libertarian politics?
How deadly was this particular plague?
Approximately 1.21 million to 1.24 million Americans have died from COVID-19 since the pandemic began in early 2020. [1]

Any other vacuous points I can look up for you?
 
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