Fraud in Minnesomalia

[Tigers!]

Yes, the people committed the fraud, should be punished for it. However, there seems to be something extra about this that makes some people more disturbed by the fraud than others.

Or simply more eager to discuss it.

I don't know that Derec cares all that much about fraud but he's keen on posting racist flamebait like the term "Minnesomalia" to remind everyone that some of the immigrants in Minnesota are black people from Africa.

He kinda scuffs over the fact that the total number of immigrants in Minnesota amount to only 9% of the population and that immigrants from Mexico outnumber the Somali born by a 2:1 margin.

Are the immigrants from Mexico accused of committing fraud on the scale of the Somilais?
The % of the population is quite irrelevant. The scale of the alleged fraud and by whom is surely what is important?

The fact it appears fraud was committed is what's important. The scale of the apparent fraud makes it noteworthy. The alleged fraudsters being members of the immigrant community is interesting in that most immigrants don't know how to work the system like Americans born in this country, and that it harkens back to organized crime in the immigrant communities of the 20th century.

Perhaps you are underestimating the resourcesness of immigrants.

The fact it was Somali immigrants this time and not Italian, Irish, Russian, or Latin Americans immigrants isn't all that interesting.

 

[Toni]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

 

[Toni]

Yes, the people committed the fraud, should be punished for it. However, there seems to be something extra about this that makes some people more disturbed by the fraud than others.

Or simply more eager to discuss it.

I don't know that Derec cares all that much about fraud but he's keen on posting racist flamebait like the term "Minnesomalia" to remind everyone that some of the immigrants in Minnesota are black people from Africa.

He kinda scuffs over the fact that the total number of immigrants in Minnesota amount to only 9% of the population and that immigrants from Mexico outnumber the Somali born by a 2:1 margin.

Are the immigrants from Mexico accused of committing fraud on the scale of the Somilais?
The % of the population is quite irrelevant. The scale of the alleged fraud and by whom is surely what is important?

The fact it appears fraud was committed is what's important. The scale of the apparent fraud makes it noteworthy. The alleged fraudsters being members of the immigrant community is interesting in that most immigrants don't know how to work the system like Americans born in this country, and that it harkens back to organized crime in the immigrant communities of the 20th century.

Perhaps you are underestimating the resourcesness of immigrants.

The fact it was Somali immigrants this time and not Italian, Irish, Russian, or Latin Americans immigrants isn't all that interesting.

Again: the initial fraud scheme was committed by a white woman. Many/most immigrants tend to be tight knit and stick together for many reasons. It makes sense that once one or two Somali people became involved in this particular fraud scheme, that it would spread to others in their community, just as any Ponzi scheme would spread through a church group or country club or neighborhood. Immigrant populations are extremely vulnerable without all of the Trump nonsense going on.

 

[WAB]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

 

[Toni]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

No problem. I’m a terrible typist and so I have a thick skin. I also probably missed some of the posts. Please don’t take offense. I should be better at proofreading but I have watched my phone change words that were correctly spelled to something else so I assume 20% of my errors are my phone hating me.

 

[Arctish]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

No problem. I’m a terrible typist and so I have a thick skin. I also probably missed some of the posts. Please don’t take offense. I should be better at proofreading but I have watched my phone change words that were correctly spelled to something else so I assume 20% of my errors are my phone hating me.

Heads up on sharing Starbucks new menu items with friends and family: my phone kept insisting on putting a 'p' at the beginning of the word ube.

 

[Derec]

So if I point out that white makes commit crimes, I’m of an ilk who like to point out how bad white oeioke ( such as myself) are?

If you almost exclusively focus on white oeioke[sic], even misusing statistics to make your point, then yes.

Pray, then tell us what your motivation is to dredge up crimes by a Somali man more than 10 years ago, for which he was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced?

It was an example of Somali terrorism.

 

[Derec]

Heads up on sharing Starbucks new menu items with friends and family: my phone kept insisting on putting a 'p' at the beginning of the word ube.

 

[Derec]

Obvious from context that Toni mean "people" and simply mistyped (or phone got taken over by asinine autocorrect, which happens a whole lot).

What's the point in calling out typos when you can glean what was intended?

Because usually typos are one letter or two. This was an epic mistype.

 

[thebeave]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

No problem. I’m a terrible typist and so I have a thick skin. I also probably missed some of the posts. Please don’t take offense. I should be better at proofreading but I have watched my phone change words that were correctly spelled to something else so I assume 20% of my errors are my phone hating me.

Heads up on sharing Starbucks new menu items with friends and family: my phone kept insisting on putting a 'p' at the beginning of the word ube.

As I recall, phones suggest auto-fill words based on their past usage. Just sayin'.

 

[Derec]

$47 million. You know, I think one of the things we've learned about this scandal is that white people hate it when minorities commit fraud.

And some people on here only hate it when white people commit fraud.

Publicly traded S&P 500 company takes $300 million in forgivable loans meant for Small Businesses during the pandemic, and people aren't that upset.

Are you under the impression that S&P500 companies that fraudulently took PPP loans are exclusively run by white people?
PPP was a hastily passed and implemented program with little oversight, and yes there was a lot of fraud. But there is no indication that this fraud was committed only, or even disproportionately, by white people.

A bunch of people from Africa commit $47 million in pandemic related fraud and they'll wave it around like crazy.

One reason to harp on it is just how defensive certain people are about it.

Another one is that this fraud was allowed to fester because of identity politics and wokeism in the Minnesota government. They did not want to appear "racist" or "islamophobic". After all, Somalis tack two categories on the intersectional progressive stack!

This is the same reason why the sex abuse ring in Rotterham, UK kept going on so long - the powers that be were reluctant to go against the Pakistani Muslim perps because of political correctness.

Some white CEO and his company is fined $1.7 billion and quite a few convictions for Medicare/Medicaid fraud... and that CEO is a US Senator.

There are plenty of instances of financial crimes by black politicians too. Again, why do you (and the Ilk) only care when it's "some white" person?

Yes, the people committed the fraud, should be punished for it. However, there seems to be something extra about this that makes some people more disturbed by the fraud than others.

I said it already: it is reluctance to appear "racist" and "islamophobic" that allowed it to go on. Add to that the defensiveness and whataboutism ("what about white people") by the Left, including on here.

 

[Derec]

Again: the initial fraud scheme was committed by a white woman.

One white woman, and >90 Somalis, including the brother who tried to bribe juror #52.
And yet you keep harping on the one white woman as if she bears the entire responsibility, and are offering excuses for the Somalis.

Many/most immigrants tend to be tight knit and stick together for many reasons. It makes sense that once one or two Somali people became involved in this particular fraud scheme, that it would spread to others in their community,

As I said, excuses. It's not their fault, by definition, as anything bad is always ultimately some white person's fault.

Immigrant populations are extremely vulnerable without all of the Trump nonsense going on.

And that excuses fraud?

 

[WAB]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

No problem. I’m a terrible typist and so I have a thick skin. I also probably missed some of the posts. Please don’t take offense. I should be better at proofreading but I have watched my phone change words that were correctly spelled to something else so I assume 20% of my errors are my phone hating me.

Heads up on sharing Starbucks new menu items with friends and family: my phone kept insisting on putting a 'p' at the beginning of the word ube.

As I recall, phones suggest auto-fill words based on their past usage. Just sayin'.

Imagine the chagrin of some dude's wife when she uses his phone to look up the price of a large pepperoni from Big Bob's.

 

[southernhybrid]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

No problem. I’m a terrible typist and so I have a thick skin. I also probably missed some of the posts. Please don’t take offense. I should be better at proofreading but I have watched my phone change words that were correctly spelled to something else so I assume 20% of my errors are my phone hating me.

It's that damn autocarrot. It does that to me too, and sometimes I'm not up to proofreading my posts or worse. yet my comments on the NYTImes. People here know we all make typos, but the NYT subscribes might judge me for that, ( not thet I really care ). I am or was a good typist but typing on a small lap top or a phone isn't as easy as it was back in the day when we used those things called typewriters. So, don't worry Toni, it's no big deal.

 

[Emily Lake]

$47 million. You know, I think one of the things we've learned about this scandal is that white people hate it when minorities commit fraud.

That's what you think you learned?

I would think that you should learn that US citizens hate it when non-citizens commit fraud with US taxpayer money.

None of us approve of fraud committed by citizens either, which should go without saying.

 

[Emily Lake]

Again: the initial fraud scheme was committed by a white woman. Many/most immigrants tend to be tight knit and stick together for many reasons. It makes sense that once one or two Somali people became involved in this particular fraud scheme, that it would spread to others in their community, just as any Ponzi scheme would spread through a church group or country club or neighborhood. Immigrant populations are extremely vulnerable without all of the Trump nonsense going on.

Hey, I get where you're coming from, but I think you're being overly generous and forgiving here. Set aside whatever assumptions you're making about race, and think about this without consideration to melanin content.

In a ponzi scheme that spreads through a community, the community members are the *victims* of that ponzi scheme, not participants in it. The church group are the ones being ripped off by the fraudster. That's not the case here. This isn't a case of the community being taken advantage of by a conman or fraudster, this is the community getting involved in committing the fraud.

I could see an argument that recent immigrants might be vulnerable to being taken advantage of by nefarious hacks. What I'm not seeing is how that applies here... unless you're contending that immigrant populations are extremely vulnerable to being the nefarious hacks taking advantage of citizens.

 

[Emily Lake]

oeioke?

People. Again: I am a terrible typist and my phone hates me, sometimes changing words, etc.

I already apologized for that, upthread. Note the emojie, I was only trying to be lighthearted. And I had had too much beer. But sorry again! I am not one to call out typos, as my post history will show.

I can understand your frustration.

No problem. I’m a terrible typist and so I have a thick skin. I also probably missed some of the posts. Please don’t take offense. I should be better at proofreading but I have watched my phone change words that were correctly spelled to something else so I assume 20% of my errors are my phone hating me.

At this point, I'm inclined to take offense on your behalf.

You've pointed it out yourself, and I agree with you - you make simple typing mistakes (and phones are possesed by autocorrect demons), but in almost all cases what you intended to type is obvious and easy to infer. But people (not WAB, who is generally kind hearted and friendly) will make a point of giving you grief about it. I don't think you should be expected to politely tolerate being hassled and mocked for what is obviously just a typo. I think it's an act of intentional cruelty from people who get off on making fun of others and basically get a rush from being dickheads.

I'm tired of people - especially women - being expected to just deal with such uncivil, disrespectful, childish school-yard taunting. There's no justification for it, and it happens to you a LOT. It's bullshit, and I don't think you should be so thick skinned about people being assholes to you for their own jollies.

 

[Emily Lake]

If you almost exclusively focus on white oeioke[sic], even misusing statistics to make your point, then yes.

Why do this? There's no good reason for it when you know damned good and well what was intended and that it was just a typo. Why engage in asshole behavior like this? It's rude and just plain mean. Don't do it.

 

[Emily Lake]

Obvious from context that Toni mean "people" and simply mistyped (or phone got taken over by asinine autocorrect, which happens a whole lot).

What's the point in calling out typos when you can glean what was intended?

Because usually typos are one letter or two. This was an epic mistype.

So the fuck what? Did you know what was intended? Do you think it's fun for Toni to be the butt of your joke? Or do you just enjoy being rude to people and think it's fun to make others unhappy?

 

[Emily Lake]

Reminder for those who seem to have forgotten the lessons we learned in grade school: Laughing AT someone is not remotely the same as laughing WITH someone.