Gas almost $7 a gallon

[TSwizzle]

May 3rd Costco $5.46.

May 6th Costco $5.49

May 10th Costco $5.52

May 12th Costco $5.57

May 18th Costco $5.67

May 26th Costco, $5.73

June 7th, Costco $5.96, up $.23

June 16th, Costco, $6.13, up $.17

Let's Go Brandon!! (and Newsom).

 

[prideandfall]

as per usual, all you local right wing posters are hilariously wrong about literally everything, and insist on continuing to do so in the most pathetic acts of projection imaginable.

 

[bilby]

Just filled up for AU$1.859/l after my 4c RACQ discount.

That’s down about $0.15 from the peak a few weeks ago.

Thanks, Albo!

 

[Jarhyn]

One of the dipshit republicans running for governor here is blaming our present governor and Biden for their "socialist" policies. Why are republicans so bleedingly stupid that they believe that shit?

$5.15 / gallon here now, BTW. Down a nickel.

Ah, give them a bit of time and space to deal with their grief; the Republican showing in the primary election was pretty damn embarassing. Gas prices clearly weren't the golden ticket item the mail litter in my entryway suggests they were expecting them to be.

Well what do you expect when they endorsed policies that killed off their gerontocracy?

 

[Jarhyn]

So I'm going to just put this out there that fucking toolbags with big trucks who drive them everywhere are paying more money a month to do so than I pay for drugs, by almost a factor of two or three. Maybe a factor of four?

Having a needlessly large vehicle that needlessly obscures the vision of everyone around you, is loud, and isn't needed in the vast majority of your day-by-day life and you use it everywhere, and it costs SO MUCH MONEY that it will double one of your biggest discretionary layouts?

Sorry, but that's an addiction that you're nursing.

And so it makes sense that the Republicans would discuss this greatly.

Discussion about gas prices to truck lovers is equivalent to discussion about their addictions increasing in price.

When viewed from that perspective it all comes into focus, why they are panicking: their fix just got more expensive and they have no way of maintaining it.

In some ways, this is akin to celebrating if for example the price of weed just doubled globally, as to @TomC and their point, although the destructive behavior of Gasoline Addiction is much Worse. At least weed is carbon neutral with the ability to be carbon capturing if we change the industry a bit.

It is, in some ways I think, perhaps an issue of education on addiction and mitigation, contextualization, and management of "vice behaviors" more than an issue of anything else.

It's like a gambling problem.

We need support for truck addiction that does not enable it.

Then, the gas prices won't be such a big political issue.

And we should probably subsidize the shipping industry if for no other reason than economic stability.

 

[ZiprHead]

So I'm going to just put this out there that fucking toolbags with big trucks who drive them everywhere are paying more money a month to do so than I pay for drugs, by almost a factor of two or three. Maybe a factor of four?

Having a needlessly large vehicle that needlessly obscures the vision of everyone around you, is loud, and isn't needed in the vast majority of your day-by-day life and you use it everywhere, and it costs SO MUCH MONEY that it will double one of your biggest discretionary layouts?

This.

They are also some of the worst drivers on the roads. Speeding, aggressiveness, clearly they feel entitled. A large portion of the road rage seen on US YT videos is done by white guys in P/U trucks.

 

[Jarhyn]

So I'm going to just put this out there that fucking toolbags with big trucks who drive them everywhere are paying more money a month to do so than I pay for drugs, by almost a factor of two or three. Maybe a factor of four?

Having a needlessly large vehicle that needlessly obscures the vision of everyone around you, is loud, and isn't needed in the vast majority of your day-by-day life and you use it everywhere, and it costs SO MUCH MONEY that it will double one of your biggest discretionary layouts?

This.

They are also some of the worst drivers on the roads. Speeding, aggressiveness, clearly they feel entitled. A large portion of the road rage seen on US YT videos is done by white guys in P/U trucks.

Because they are addicted to the petty power it gives them over others for half an hour or an hour as they schlep daily from point A to point B.

It is a power I would as soon deny of anyone who does not both need the power and respect the responsibilities such power carries.

Anyone with a need and an inability to meet their responsibility towards that need is in need of a guardian or social service, of some mercy, not in need specifically of being let off the hook of their responsibility towards their need.

Such mercy is the mercy freely given by the good in recognition of their own inabilities to their responsibilities and the mercies others have on account of it and so the minimal mercies we as a public expect others to offer

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The White House is looking at the potential of gas rebate cards to deal with the higher price of gasoline.

Personally, I wonder if maybe this is a good time for the nation to take notice that our economic system in the United States might be living a lie when its population struggles to afford gasoline when it goes up $2 a gallon.

 

[Jarhyn]

The White House is looking at the potential of gas rebate cards to deal with the higher price of gasoline.

Personally, I wonder if maybe this is a good time for the nation to take notice that our economic system in the United States might be living a lie when its population struggles to afford gasoline when it goes up $2 a gallon.

To be fair the population struggling from a significant increase in the cost of their particular discretionary addiction's are... Less important to me.

I can and do tighten my belt for the things I like to waste money on, and do in fact accept doing most things less often when the cost of them is so environmentally damaging.

The government can and should tax extra to the consumer on gasoline, and reimburse shipping and transport operations with the revenue.

This will both reduce traffic and environmental impacts of it, and protect the economy's goods and services from the instability and capriciousness of oil producers

 

[TomC]

The government can and should tax extra to the consumer on gasoline,

THIS^^^

Put a sin tax on motor fuel comparable to the tax on liquor.

Then let the free market sort out the details.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The White House is looking at the potential of gas rebate cards to deal with the higher price of gasoline.

Personally, I wonder if maybe this is a good time for the nation to take notice that our economic system in the United States might be living a lie when its population struggles to afford gasoline when it goes up $2 a gallon.

To be fair the population struggling from a significant increase in the cost of their particular discretionary addiction's are... Less important to me.

I can and do tighten my belt for the things I like to waste money on, and do in fact accept doing most things less often when the cost of them is so environmentally damaging.

The government can and should tax extra to the consumer on gasoline, and reimburse shipping and transport operations with the revenue.

This will both reduce traffic and environmental impacts of it, and protect the economy's goods and services from the instability and capriciousness of oil producers

I appreciate that. My problem is our economic system has been designed where some people can't afford to work because of daycare costs... and when gas gets to $4+ a gallon, people can't afford to drive to work (or afford to live close enough to where they work). That is an indicator that our economy is built on a lie.

 

[Jarhyn]

The White House is looking at the potential of gas rebate cards to deal with the higher price of gasoline.

Personally, I wonder if maybe this is a good time for the nation to take notice that our economic system in the United States might be living a lie when its population struggles to afford gasoline when it goes up $2 a gallon.

To be fair the population struggling from a significant increase in the cost of their particular discretionary addiction's are... Less important to me.

I can and do tighten my belt for the things I like to waste money on, and do in fact accept doing most things less often when the cost of them is so environmentally damaging.

The government can and should tax extra to the consumer on gasoline, and reimburse shipping and transport operations with the revenue.

This will both reduce traffic and environmental impacts of it, and protect the economy's goods and services from the instability and capriciousness of oil producers

I appreciate that. My problem is our economic system has been designed where some people can't afford to work because of daycare costs... and when gas gets to $4+ a gallon, people can't afford to drive to work (or afford to live close enough to where they work). That is an indicator that our economy is built on a lie.

The tax/subsidy can easily be adjusted to tax/subsidy/stipend, which further penalizes out-of-ration use.

Assuming sufficient base stipend.

Such structures terrify the privileged though because they are the ones whose out-of-ration use of everything will suffer.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The government can and should tax extra to the consumer on gasoline,

THIS^^^

Put a sin tax on motor fuel comparable to the tax on liquor.

Then let the free market sort out the details.
Tom

California tops out at $1.18 in taxes and fees per gallon. I don't think it reduces jackshit. You're just hurting those who can least afford it.

• Taxes:
  Federal Excise Tax: 18 cents per gallon
  State Excise Tax: 51 cents per gallon
  Sales Tax (estimated): 10 cents per gallon
• Fees:
  Low Carbon Gas Programs: 22 cents per gallon
  Greenhouse Gas Programs: 15 cents per gallon
  Underground Tank Storage: 2 cents per gallon

One of the biggest problems is people do not know how to budget. You may think it's easy. It's not for millions of people. You ever hear the comment people make regarding their paycheck, "Where does it all go?" They literally do not know where it does go. And if you're living a cashless lifestyle, seeing where it all goes is very easy now. Just look at the last couple months of spending and highlight all the stuff you could have done without. It's that simple. It's at Starbucks, It's at buying lunch. It's at convenient store geedunk. And these days it's likely at a lot of on line impulse buying.

 

[Jarhyn]

The government can and should tax extra to the consumer on gasoline,

THIS^^^

Put a sin tax on motor fuel comparable to the tax on liquor.

Then let the free market sort out the details.
Tom

California tops out at $1.18 in taxes and fees per gallon. I don't think it reduces jackshit. You're just hurting those who can least afford it.

• Taxes:
  Federal Excise Tax: 18 cents per gallon
  State Excise Tax: 51 cents per gallon
  Sales Tax (estimated): 10 cents per gallon
• Fees:
  Low Carbon Gas Programs: 22 cents per gallon
  Greenhouse Gas Programs: 15 cents per gallon
  Underground Tank Storage: 2 cents per gallon

One of the biggest problems is people do not know how to budget. You may think it's easy. It's not for millions of people. You ever hear the comment people make regarding their paycheck, "Where does it all go?" They literally do not know where it does go. And if you're living a cashless lifestyle, seeing where it all goes is very easy now. Just look at the last couple months of spending and highlight all the stuff you could have done without. It's that simple. It's at Starbucks, It's at buying lunch. It's at convenient store geedunk. And these days it's likely at a lot of on line impulse buying.

Anyone with a need and an inability to meet their responsibility towards that need is in need of a guardian or social service, of some mercy, not in need specifically of being let off the hook of their responsibility towards their need.

 

[TomC]

California tops out at $1.18 in taxes and fees per gallon. I don't think it reduces jackshit. You're just hurting those who can least afford it.

I was talking about long term. Not just double the gas tax and wait a month for results.

I've a buddy, Bob, who is married to a Japanese native. Her family is from Toyoda and they've got money. One of things he talks about is the difference in Japanese transportation infrastructure and U.S. infrastructure.

Japan doesn't have a socialist road system, like the U.S. A private individual can drive a personal car on the highway. But it's not a taxpayer supported highway. It's a toll road. He compared a trip from her hometown of Toyoda to Tokyo as similar to driving from Indianapolis to Chicago. We just get on the "freeway" and drive. They get on toll roads and pay. He estimated the tolls as about $40. Both ways.

Most Japanese people don't do that. Japan has a great system of public transportation like light rail and buses. Their communities are designed to be walkable.

Cheap gas and socialist transportation infrastructure destroyed the city I lived in as a child. That's Gary, Indiana. There's lots more such places in the USA. Big oil and Big auto wanted a country dependent on their products and they bought enough politicians to get it.

And here we are.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

California tops out at $1.18 in taxes and fees per gallon. I don't think it reduces jackshit. You're just hurting those who can least afford it.

I was talking about long term. Not just double the gas tax and wait a month for results.

I've a buddy, Bob, who is married to a Japanese native. Her family is from Toyoda and they've got money. One of things he talks about is the difference in Japanese transportation infrastructure and U.S. infrastructure.

Japan doesn't have a socialist road system, like the U.S. A private individual can drive a personal car on the highway. But it's not a taxpayer supported highway. It's a toll road. He compared a trip from her hometown of Toyoda to Tokyo as similar to driving from Indianapolis to Chicago. We just get on the "freeway" and drive. They get on toll roads and pay. He estimated the tolls as about $40. Both ways.

Most Japanese people don't do that. Japan has a great system of public transportation like light rail and buses. Their communities are designed to be walkable.

Cheap gas and socialist transportation infrastructure destroyed the city I lived in as a child. That's Gary, Indiana. There's lots more such places in the USA. Big oil and Big auto wanted a country dependent on their products and they bought enough politicians to get it.

And here we are.
Tom

Also lead.

But yes, if we just put down on good socialist infrastructure -- rails, busses, bike accessibility, reasonable, direct walking and bike routes at the expense of normal vehicular access -- we would all enjoy these substantial upgrades to American communities.

But here we are.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The White House is looking at the potential of gas rebate cards to deal with the higher price of gasoline.

Personally, I wonder if maybe this is a good time for the nation to take notice that our economic system in the United States might be living a lie when its population struggles to afford gasoline when it goes up $2 a gallon.

I think this is far more a personal problem than an economic system problem. All too many people live at the edge even when they don't need to. Maximize current standard of living, period. Just-in-time income, just like businesses have optimized for just-in-time inventory. Just-in-time fares badly when there's a disruption.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I appreciate that. My problem is our economic system has been designed where some people can't afford to work because of daycare costs... and when gas gets to $4+ a gallon, people can't afford to drive to work (or afford to live close enough to where they work). That is an indicator that our economy is built on a lie.

We put more and more mandates on what daycare must provide--that costs money, we react as if there's something wrong when daycare gets expensive.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The White House is looking at the potential of gas rebate cards to deal with the higher price of gasoline.

Personally, I wonder if maybe this is a good time for the nation to take notice that our economic system in the United States might be living a lie when its population struggles to afford gasoline when it goes up $2 a gallon.

I think this is far more a personal problem than an economic system problem.

It is a bloody economic one when there are enough persons with a problem!

All too many people live at the edge even when they don't need to.

Yes, like Paul Manafort. But I'm talking about a lot of people scraping as it is. I know you want to put the blame of economic woes on those suffering from economic woes. But if enough people are suffering from the same woes, then it might be a bit more complicated and more generalized economic thing than several people who are just dying for an ostrich skin coat and need to whore themselves to a foreign nation to get it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I appreciate that. My problem is our economic system has been designed where some people can't afford to work because of daycare costs... and when gas gets to $4+ a gallon, people can't afford to drive to work (or afford to live close enough to where they work). That is an indicator that our economy is built on a lie.

We put more and more mandates on what daycare must provide--that costs money, we react as if there's something wrong when daycare gets expensive.

Yes, Daycare costs money. Yes, daycare should cost a decent amount of money.

However, daycare currently costs more than my mortgage! No, I don't have large mortgage, but I couldn't afford daycare without sacrificing down to the groceries. And I'm not wasting my money. I didn't realize I was poor until I saw the price of daycare. You can be so out of touch at times.