Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[laughing dog]

FFS, I find it hard to believe that someone who makes some many authoritative pronouncements about the situation in Israel can be so ignorant of well-known facts:  Israeli_support_for_Hamas.

I also find it difficult to believe that the Israeli gov't would not be able to interdict such funds in a clever fashion. It's not like the Israel security services are terribly squeamish about dealing with such things. At a minimum, they did not have to permit suitcases filled with cash to be transported through Israel.

Regardless, it is "ironic" to complain that Israel's allies allowed Hamas to get funds when Israel was doing the same thing.

You still aren't establishing that they were helping Hamas when they became military. Nobody's disputing that Israel supported them at first to divide the Palestinians.

Posts 5072 and 5087 establish that. Your disingenuous ignorance is duly noted.

#5087 is right here to address so I'll show your problem:

The only "support" you have shown happening while Hamas was a combat force is the Qatari money. And that comes down to the same thing as always--the world telling Israel to kick the can rather than deal with it. Peace in our time worked as well as it usually does--that can-kicking let them do 10/7.

To quote a respond from a poster here "You saying it is so does not make it so". Acting like the three monkeys is not a rebuttal of anything.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

FFS, I find it hard to believe that someone who makes some many authoritative pronouncements about the situation in Israel can be so ignorant of well-known facts:  Israeli_support_for_Hamas.

I also find it difficult to believe that the Israeli gov't would not be able to interdict such funds in a clever fashion. It's not like the Israel security services are terribly squeamish about dealing with such things. At a minimum, they did not have to permit suitcases filled with cash to be transported through Israel.

Regardless, it is "ironic" to complain that Israel's allies allowed Hamas to get funds when Israel was doing the same thing.

You still aren't establishing that they were helping Hamas when they became military. Nobody's disputing that Israel supported them at first to divide the Palestinians.

Posts 5072 and 5087 establish that. Your disingenuous ignorance is duly noted.

#5087 is right here to address so I'll show your problem:

The only "support" you have shown happening while Hamas was a combat force is the Qatari money. And that comes down to the same thing as always--the world telling Israel to kick the can rather than deal with it. Peace in our time worked as well as it usually does--that can-kicking let them do 10/7.

To quote a respond from a poster here "You saying it is so does not make it so". Acting like the three monkeys is not a rebuttal of anything.

So you have no evidence that Israel provided support while they were combatants.

 

[laughing dog]

FFS, I find it hard to believe that someone who makes some many authoritative pronouncements about the situation in Israel can be so ignorant of well-known facts:  Israeli_support_for_Hamas.

I also find it difficult to believe that the Israeli gov't would not be able to interdict such funds in a clever fashion. It's not like the Israel security services are terribly squeamish about dealing with such things. At a minimum, they did not have to permit suitcases filled with cash to be transported through Israel.

Regardless, it is "ironic" to complain that Israel's allies allowed Hamas to get funds when Israel was doing the same thing.

You still aren't establishing that they were helping Hamas when they became military. Nobody's disputing that Israel supported them at first to divide the Palestinians.

Posts 5072 and 5087 establish that. Your disingenuous ignorance is duly noted.

#5087 is right here to address so I'll show your problem:

The only "support" you have shown happening while Hamas was a combat force is the Qatari money. And that comes down to the same thing as always--the world telling Israel to kick the can rather than deal with it. Peace in our time worked as well as it usually does--that can-kicking let them do 10/7.

To quote a respond from a poster here "You saying it is so does not make it so". Acting like the three monkeys is not a rebuttal of anything.

So you have no evidence that Israel provided support while they were combatants.

No0pe. We could do this ad nauseum. I could repeat the post numbers with the links yet again and you can do your triple monkey routine. But I see no point. Independent observers will draw their own conclusions.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So you have no evidence that Israel provided support while they were combatants.

No0pe. We could do this ad nauseum. I could repeat the post numbers with the links yet again and you can do your triple monkey routine. But I see no point. Independent observers will draw their own conclusions.

You keep ignoring the key part: "while they were combatants".

 

[laughing dog]

You keep ignoring the key part: "while they were combatants".

Nope.

 

[Gospel]

Russia - Putin: "Как президент, я глубоко обеспокоен гибелью мирных жителей в Газе."

Brazil - Inacio: "As Presidente do Brasil, estou profundamente preocupado com as mortes de civis em Gaza.

Kazakhstan - Tokayev: "As Президент, мен Газа аймағындағы бейбіт тұрғындардың қазасына қатты алаңдаймын".

All of the above happily sends Oil to Israel.

Meanwhile in America

 

[lpetrich]

I found counterparts of "as" in Portuguese and Kazakh:

Russia - Putin: "Как президент, я глубоко обеспокоен гибелью мирных жителей в Газе."

Brazil - Inacio: "Como Presidente do Brasil, estou profundamente preocupado com as mortes de civis em Gaza."

Kazakhstan - Tokayev: "Президент ретінде, мен Газа аймағындағы бейбіт тұрғындардың қазасына қатты алаңдаймын"

 

[Derec]

Because "I demand perfection" is a strawman argument. Why would I defend an idea that isn't mine? I criticize trends and behaviors like rampant militarization, lack of executive accountability, and state sponsorship of genocide

The only ones who support "genocide" are the far left idiots who are cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah.

Shooting a Palestinian kid in the head because you hate their parents is a choice,

Who are you talking about here? How is Harris/Walz campaign connected to that person?

And how about Hamas who murdered >1000 and took hundreds hostage, including kids on 10/7? Why does your Ilk never have anything bad to say about them?

 

[Derec]

Did I stutter? I feel that mass infanticide is unforgivably evil, that applies to Hamas as well.

You only mentioned a Palestinian child, and somehow blamed Harris for it.
Note also that there is a huge difference between deliberately murdering children, as Hamas is doing, and accidentally killing children in warfare, where you are waging a defensive war after being brutally attacked by an enemy that is vowing to destroy you.

 

[pood]

Because "I demand perfection" is a strawman argument. Why would I defend an idea that isn't mine? I criticize trends and behaviors like rampant militarization, lack of executive accountability, and state sponsorship of genocide

The only ones who support "genocide" are the far left idiots who are cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah.

You’ve repeated this scurrilous charge many times, and have ignored the many times you have been corrected and put in your place, which is in a corner wearing a dunce cap. The vast majority of protesters are NOT “cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah.” We are opposing Israeli genocide against innocent people in Gaza. To the extent that SOME of them MAY be cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah, in most cases it is a reflection of their frustration with Israel’s genocide and U.S. financial and military support of it.

Why does your Ilk never have anything bad to say about them?

Please stop your bullshit. I, others here, and many, many others protesting against Israel have indeed condemned the atrocities committed by Hamas on Oct. 7. Your misrepresentations of others is as disgusting as RVonse’s racist slurs on other topics.

 

[Derec]

You’ve repeated this scurrilous charge many times, and have ignored the many times you have been corrected and put in your place, which is in a corner wearing a dunce cap. The vast majority of protesters are NOT “cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah.”

Bullshit. And in recent protests they have become more open about it. From the DNC in Chicago:

Note the "Victory to the Palestinian Resistance" signs? That's Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Note also that they want a "Palestine" from the "sea to the river" which leaves no room for Israel. They have the same goals as Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the theocratic regime in Tehran.
And this is from a couple of months ago in Washington, DC:

"Hamas is coming"? "Resistance is justified"? "Free all our prisoners" and "Free all Palestinian political prisoners" (i.e. Palestinian terrorists)? Advocating for "greater violence"?
Exactly who do you think you are fooling here, pood?

We are opposing Israeli genocide against innocent people in Gaza.

There is no "genocide" of innocent people of Gaza.

To the extent that SOME of them MAY be cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah, in most cases it is a reflection of their frustration with Israel’s genocide and U.S. financial and military support of it.

They certainly are cheering on these terrorists, but you are still trying to justify it. Very telling.

Please stop your bullshit. I, others here, and many, many others protesting against Israel have indeed condemned the atrocities committed by Hamas on Oct. 7. Your misrepresentations of others is as disgusting as RVonse’s racist slurs on other topics.

I have never seen any of these protesters acknowledge the evil of Hamas or Hezbollah. Quite the contrary, they support it. And you support them.

 

[ZiprHead]

Please stop the Gaza derail.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Israel has launched a massive assault on the West Bank. Why and why now?

Israel seems to be fighing on several fronts, taking on one as the other calms a bit, with the Gaza assault constant.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[ZiprHead]

Protests escalate in Israel after 6 hostages’ bodies are recovered in Gaza

TEL AVIV — Israelis reacted with shock and fury Sunday after the bodies of six more hostages were recovered by the military from Gaza, with Israeli authorities saying they were killed by their captors in recent days.

Tens of thousands of protesters were expected to take part in nationwide protests Sunday night, and Israel’s largest labor union called for a general strike Monday — threatening to shut down the country until Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu agrees to a deal with Hamas to return the remaining captives.

Among those recovered Saturday from Gaza by the Israeli military was Israeli American Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23, whose parents have become globally known ambassadors for the hostage family movement and who spoke last month at the Democratic National Convention.

“Needing our only son — and all of the cherished hostages — home is not a political issue. It is a humanitarian issue,” Jon Polin, Hersh’s father, said at the time.

Their son’s remains were found alongside the bodies of Carmel Gat, 40; Eden Yerushalmi, 24; Alexander Lobanov, 32; Almog Sarusi, 27; and Ori Danino, 25.

 

[Politesse]

Looks like their little commit genocide against 40000 civilians on the advice of an AI plan isn't working out very well for the hostages they're supposedly "rescuing" by those extreme measures. Who could have predicted?

Oh yeah, everyone. FUcking everyone predicted that.

 

[steve_bank]

Not America's finest day in morality.

It has spread to the West Bank.

Some Israelis acknowledge the root cause of the violence is Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

Others see on Palestinians. From multiple reports from Israel Palestinians have long been dehumanized by Israelis, they are savages'. Not much different than Nazi dehumanization of Jews.

The first step in genocide is to dehumanize, they are not worthy of human empathy.

I have nothing against any particular Jew, but I reject Israel as a nation. Iran is right, we apply a double standard to Israel.

Israel has used up its 'get out of jail free card' from the Holocaust. They are well past plaving the victim.

The Israeli propaganda ads over here are disgusting to me. Tear jerking sorrowful commercials with old Jewish women seen to staring in Israel, and asking for money.

The International Fellowship Of Christians And Jews. Playing to American Christians.

Get your credit card ready.

Home

Join IFCJ in supporting Israel and her people through vital humanitarian aid and building bridges between Christians and Jews.

www.ifcj.org

 

[Derec]

Protests escalate in Israel after 6 hostages’ bodies are recovered in Gaza

TEL AVIV — Israelis reacted with shock and fury Sunday after the bodies of six more hostages were recovered by the military from Gaza, with Israeli authorities saying they were killed by their captors in recent days.

Tens of thousands of protesters were expected to take part in nationwide protests Sunday night, and Israel’s largest labor union called for a general strike Monday — threatening to shut down the country until Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu agrees to a deal with Hamas to return the remaining captives.

I understand why the families of remaining hostages are upset and emotional over this. But the protesters have not thought the thing through.
What "deal with Hamas"? Hamas is still insisting that all the Palestinian terrorists in Israeli prison must be released for all hostages to be freed. And even for the first phase they are demanding hundreds of terrorists in exchange for only a few hostages. Moreover, they demand Israel withdraw from all of Gaza (including the so-called Philadelphi Corridor, which is crucial for preventing Hamas from rearming through Egypt). Certainly these demands are and should be a non-starter. Netanyahu made a blunder in 2011 with the Shalit deal, a mistake I hope he will not compound here.
No, a deal without Hamas dialing down their demands a few dozen notches is a non-starter. Hopefully IDF locates and eliminates Yaya Sinwar soon. I doubt Hamas will agree to any reasonable deal with him at the helm. Having been in prison for 23 years and himself freed in the disastrous Shalit deal, he is obsessed with the idea of using hostages to free terrorist prisoners in Israeli prisons.

Looks like their little commit genocide against 40000 civilians

First of all, there is no "genocide". Second, the 40k figure comes from Hamas itself, and not even they are claiming that all the dead are civilians. ~20k fighters belonging to Hamas and other allied terror groups such as Islamic Jihad have been killed since Gaza attacked Israel on 10/7.

on the advice of an AI plan isn't working out very well for the hostages they're supposedly "rescuing" by those extreme measures. Who could have predicted? Oh yeah, everyone. FUcking everyone predicted that.

Some hostages were successfully freed.
Rescued hostages were held by families with known ties to Hamas, says report
But of course it was predictable that a murderous group of islamofascist terrorists would murder hostages they took after murdering >1000 Israelis. That does not mean it would be good to cave to their demands or that fighting them is somehow "genocide".

 

[Derec]

Not America's finest day in morality.

Why?

It has spread to the West Bank.

There have been restive places in the so-called West Bank for a long time. Remember the 2nd Intifada? Jenin was one of the hotbeds even then.

Some Israelis acknowledge the root cause of the violence is Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

No, the root cause is that many (most?) Palestinians want to destroy Israel and take all the land for themselves.

Others see on Palestinians. From multiple reports from Israel Palestinians have long been dehumanized by Israelis, they are savages'. Not much different than Nazi dehumanization of Jews.

Bullshit.

I have nothing against any particular Jew, but I reject Israel as a nation. Iran is right, we apply a double standard to Israel.

There is a double standard with Israel, but the other way around. Israel is condemned for doing things no other country would be condemned for in similar circumstances. How would US react if 40,000 (i.e. the 1,200 murdered on 10/7 adjusted for population size) of our people were brutally massacred (and thousands taken hostage) by an islamofacist terrorist group who wants to eliminate the US and replace it with an Islamic state they run? It would probably make what is happening in Gaza look like a minor inconvenience.
Besides, the theocratic regime in Tehran is never right, especially not in their statements about Israel.

Israel has used up its 'get out of jail free card' from the Holocaust. They are well past plaving the victim.

They do not need a special card. Just elimination of all the antisemitic cards that hold Israel to a different standard than other countries would be. Do you have a problem with Ukraine defending itself against an enemy that brutally attacked it, an enemy that thinks Ukraine has no right to exist and that Ukrainian territory should belong to it? Then why do you have a problem with Israel defending itself against a similar enemy?

The Israeli propaganda ads over here are disgusting to me.

Anti-israel propaganda is what is disgusting.

 

[Derec]

Israel has launched a massive assault on the West Bank. Why and why now?

Israel seems to be fighing on several fronts, taking on one as the other calms a bit, with the Gaza assault constant.

www.aljazeera.com

The headline by the Qatari propaganda outlet makes it look like Israel just decided to "assault" "West Bank". In reality the operations were caused by attacks on Israel emanating from "West Bank", including a bombing in Tel Aviv last month.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad Claim Responsibility for Tel Aviv Bombing
Palestinian Authority is losing control in many cities in their jurisdiction. Armed groups affiliated with Hamas, Islamic Jihad but also with Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a terrorist group affiliated with ostensibly moderate Fatah, are taking over many cities such as Jenin, Shechem (colonial name: Nablus) and Tulkarm.

By the way, IDF managed to kill terrorist leaders in recent operations. Two examples:

Senior PIJ terrorist killed in IDF raid of Tulkarem this morning – reports

Israeli forces kill local Hamas commander in West Bank

 

[Derec]

I found counterparts of "as" in Portuguese and Kazakh:
Russia - Putin: "Как президент, я глубоко обеспокоен гибелью мирных жителей в Газе."

He is the one talking! What about the loss of "мирных жителей в Украине"?

Brazil - Inacio: "Como Presidente do Brasil, estou profundamente preocupado com as mortes de civis em Gaza."

Lula is a left-wing radical. Is he even acknowledging that the war started because Gaza brutally attacked Israel on 10/7? Or that many of the dead are terrorists?

Kazakhstan - Tokayev: "Президент ретінде, мен Газа аймағындағы бейбіт тұрғындардың қазасына қатты алаңдаймын"

Jagshemash!