Not America's finest day in morality.
Why?
Talking to yourself now?
No, it is not. The theocratic, islamofascist regime wants to destroy Israel and moreover is also oppressing their own people.
we have a double standard.
Yes. You and the ayatollahs have a double standard.
Israel has terrorized Palestinians form the founding of Israel.
Bullshit! First of all, "Palestinian" as an ethnonym wasn't even invented yet, and neither was Palestinian national identity. Besides, Arabs attacked Israel as soon as the new state was proclaimed, with the intention of destroying it.
Israel seized land without compensation and did not allow return after the lines settled.
Jews likewise did not return to areas of Mandatory Palestine now controlled by Arabs (Jordan and Egypt). They were even driven out of other Arab/Muslim countries.
The major difference is that the Jews who moved into Israel were fully integrated into Israeli society. They were not kept in "refugee camps" for generations, which is what Arabs did to their brethren in order to use them as pawns against Israel.
The basis of the conflict is how Israel formed and how it acted since then.
No. The basis of the conflict is that many Palestinian Arabs as well as Iranian theocrats want to destroy Israel and take the whole land for themselves.
Without provocation Israel joined Europeans in the war over the Suez Canal with Egypt.
That was 70 years ago! And Israel is surely no more culpable than the Europeans themselves.
Note also that had US sided with Europe and Israel and not with Egypt, things might have turned out better for the region.
Israel is way past playing the innocent victim.There are reasons why the Arabs wanted o attack Isreal, Isreal was niot an inocent victim. They were miltaristc from tyhe start abd bgan a nucear wepons progam in the 40s.
Israel was attacked in 1948 by Arab armies. Only recently have some Arab governments started a cautious rapprochement with Israel.
Can you really blame Israel for wanting a strong military, including nuclear deterrence?
We have given Israel abuses a pass because of American politics and region. Israel has a successful perognda prgorgam to court Christins in America.
And Iranian theocrats have a successful propaganda program to radicalize US Muslims and left-wingers against Israel. Just look at all the recent pro-Hamas protests. Or Muslims in Dearborn yelling "Death to America" at a rally where a Iran-linked cleric Usama Abdulghani was speaking? You have no problems with any of that?
The UN has documented a slow motion cultural genocide in the West Bank, displacement of Palestinians to make room for Jewish settlers.
Contemporary UN is highly biased against Israel.
Jerusalem was s suposed to be an open city.
In the partition plan that Arabs rejected when they invaded Israel. No take backsies!
Jerusalem was a center 2000 years ago so it is theirs today.
Note that Jerusalem was never a capital of any Arab country. And the last natively run (i.e. not part of a foreign empire like Rome or Crusader Kingdoms or the Ottoman Turks) polity in the land before the reestablishment of the state of Israel was the Hasmonean Kingdom of, you guessed it, Israel.
Same kind of reasoning Putin uses to justify war on Ukraine.
No. Hamas uses the same reasoning as Russia. And both are run by murderous thugs. Like Hamas with Israel, Russia thinks that Ukraine has no right to exist. Russia, like Hamas, wants therefore to destroy Ukraine/Israel and take over the whole country and run it with an iron fist. They both are opposed to human rights.
Isreral formng a state by force was undertsndable post WWII.
Israel did not form their state with force. It defended its nascent state with force. There is a difference.
With the war we see the true nature of Israel.
Again: who attacked whom on 10/7? Who massacred >1000 people, most of them at a music festival? Who took 100s of civilians hostage?
In the run up to the declaration of Israel Jews did just what Palestinians do today. They ran weapons embargo. They used terrorism.
Bullshit. While there were some groups who employed guerilla tactics against British soldiers, it's not like Jews were blowing up buses and pizzerias in London.
More recently, there have been bus bombings in London, but by Muslims, not Jews.
Our foreign policy has always been realpolitik, not moral. We support an abysmal Saudi Arabia and condemn Iran.
And the illegitimate regime in Iran is not abysmal?
There are some significant differences. The ayatollahs are true believers, fanatics, that are far more radical than the populace. A regime change would most likely lead to a more moderate government.
Saudi Arabia is different. The ruling family are placating the population, but most are not true believers, esp. MbS who is the de facto ruler. If there is a regime change, most likely the new government will be more radical, possibly akin to Islamic State.
In the Cold War dictators who were anti communist were our friends. Chiang Kai Sshek in Taiwan.
If only we had given the opposition support before Mao took over mainland China!
But we can lkook at how Isreal acted from its founding. It uis not an innocent victim.
Nobody is entirely an "innocent victim" - it's an unrealistic standard. But given attacks against it, Israel is certainly no worse than any other free, democratic, developed country would act faced with similar challenges.
