Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

Is the left's problem racism? Ie, the Palestinians are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

 

[ZiprHead]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

 

[TomC]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

No it doesn't.
Israelis are consistently held accountable for the choices of the Gazans.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

No it doesn't.
Israelis are consistently held accountable for the choices of the Gazans.
Tom

Perhaps in bizarro world.

 

[ZiprHead]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

Double standards much? Yes, they defended against the 7/10 attacks very poorly. So? Just because Gaza/Hamas managed to get a boot in, does that mean that Israel forfeited it's chance to defend itself? You are not making any sense.

Hamas made an unprovoked first strike against Israel, targetting Israeli civilians, of a kind of brutality that is rare today. It was a pure terror attack. A kind of goverment that allows that, has to go. It's a kind of government we associate with ISIS, Iran or Nazi Germany. It's just unaccepbable by modern moral standards.

And for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

 

[DrZoidberg]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack.

World Central Kitchen pauses Gaza work after car carrying staff hit by Israeli strike

Israel said the target of the strike was involved in the October 7 attacks and also worked at the charity World Central Kitchen.

www.bbc.com

Hamas must be one of the most disgusting and depraved organisations on Earth

 

[ZiprHead]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

Double standards much? Yes, they defended against the 7/10 attacks very poorly. So? Just because Gaza/Hamas managed to get a boot in, does that mean that Israel forfeited it's chance to defend itself? You are not making any sense.

I take it you've never watched US football.

Hamas made an unprovoked first strike against Israel, targetting Israeli civilians, of a kind of brutality that is rare today. It was a pure terror attack. A kind of goverment that allows that, has to go. It's a kind of government we associate with ISIS, Iran or Nazi Germany. It's just unaccepbable by modern moral standards.

Who said any differant?

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians.

Saying there are crimes on both sides is not comparing. It's stating a fact.

In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

And there it is, the bullshit charge of antisemitism because someone doesn't like the policies of the Israeli government.

 

[laughing dog]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

Double standards much? …..

Fuck irony meters, I’m pleased the internet can withstand that megasized irony.

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

 

[TomC]

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Which is why the Gazans Who Matter shouldn't have brought that about.

But they did. Blaming Israel for defending itself is morally bankrupt. The crime against humanity here is the choices made by the Gazans Who Matter.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Which is why the Gazans Who Matter shouldn't have brought that about.

But they did. Blaming Israel for defending itself is morally bankrupt. The crime against humanity here is the choices made by the Gazans Who Matter.
Tom

I mentioned no crimes. Pointing out that Hamas is responsible for its choices is not moral bankruptcy. Pointing out that Israel is responsible for its choices is not moral bankruptcy. If Hamas killing civilians is not defending itself, then IMO, the IDF killing multitudes more civilians should not be considered defending itself.

 

[bilby]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

 

[DrZoidberg]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

WTF is this insane relativism?!? The 7/10 attacks were one of the most barbaric attacks to ever have taken place. Anywhere. In all of history.

So please spare me your Hamas apologetism. It's pretty tone deaf and calous.

 

[DrZoidberg]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that. IDF backing off at this point would allow Hamas to reassert control over Gaza, which would be bad for everyone, especially the Palestinians. The sooner it gets done, the quicker the Palestinians can get back to living in peace

 

[DrZoidberg]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

Double standards much? Yes, they defended against the 7/10 attacks very poorly. So? Just because Gaza/Hamas managed to get a boot in, does that mean that Israel forfeited it's chance to defend itself? You are not making any sense.

I take it you've never watched US football.

Hamas made an unprovoked first strike against Israel, targetting Israeli civilians, of a kind of brutality that is rare today. It was a pure terror attack. A kind of goverment that allows that, has to go. It's a kind of government we associate with ISIS, Iran or Nazi Germany. It's just unaccepbable by modern moral standards.

Who said any differant?

Do you agree that Israel has a right to defend itself?

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians.

Saying there are crimes on both sides is not comparing. It's stating a fact.

You make it sound like you are equating them. As if they're both about as bad. Are you?

In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

And there it is, the bullshit charge of antisemitism because someone doesn't like the policies of the Israeli government.

I don't think it's bullshit. Antisemitism is a strong streak in culturally Christian countries. As pointed out by people like, Hannah Arendt, it's so normalised and all pervasive that we struggle with realising that it is antisemitism. Even when it is.

I don't think the accusation of antisemitism against you is bullshit. Or let me put it differently, you haven't given me any reason to think you're not an antisemite.

 

[bilby]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

WTF is this insane relativism?!? The 7/10 attacks were one of the most barbaric attacks to ever have taken place. Anywhere. In all of history.

Are you fucking kidding me? How the fuck do you work that out?

You are not honestly suggesting that 7/10 was worse than the Rape of Nanjing (to pick just one example of a far worse attack), are you?

So please spare me your Hamas apologetism. It's pretty tone deaf and calous.

Please spare me your apologetism for the Imperial Japanese. It's either incredibly tone deaf and callous; Or you are not actually making apologies for Japanese war crimes, just as I am not making apologies for Hamas.

So you should probably desist from throwing around baseless slurs.

By the way, no part of my post was relativism, either; That exists entirely in your imagination, as a knee-nerk response to any criticism whatsoever of the simpletons who think you can kill your way to peace - which by the way includes both Hamas and the current Israeli leadership.

Both are being evil cunts, and both need to fucking stop it.

 

[DrZoidberg]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

WTF is this insane relativism?!? The 7/10 attacks were one of the most barbaric attacks to ever have taken place. Anywhere. In all of history.

Are you fucking kidding me? How the fuck do you work that out?

You are not honestly suggesting that 7/10 was worse than the Rape of Nanjing (to pick just one example of a far worse attack), are you?

Only in the sense that more people were killed in Nanjing and that the Japanese were in control for longer time. The barbarity was the same. IMHO. If you don't know this, then I suggest you spend some time googling. Hamas did absolutely atrocious things in the short hours they were able. Systematic mass rapes and cruel executions.

So please spare me your Hamas apologetism. It's pretty tone deaf and calous.

Please spare me your apologetism for the Imperial Japanese. It's either incredibly tone deaf and callous; Or you are not actually making apologies for Japanese war crimes, just as I am not making apologies for Hamas.

So you should probably desist from throwing around baseless slurs.

By the way, no part of my post was relativism, either; That exists entirely in your imagination, as a knee-nerk response to any criticism whatsoever of the simpletons who think you can kill your way to peace - which by the way includes both Hamas and the current Israeli leadership.

Both are being evil cunts, and both need to fucking stop it.

I think you are a Hamas apologetic. And an antisemite. Just based on your posts.

 

[bilby]

Only in the sense that

You mean "yes".

 

[bilby]

Hamas did absolutely atrocious things in the short hours they were able. Systematic mass rapes and cruel executions.

I have never at any time suggested otherwise.

Being evil is not justified by the evils done by your victims.

I think you are a Hamas apologetic. And an antisemite. Just based on your posts.

You are utterly wrong, and on my ignore list. Goodbye.