Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[laughing dog]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that.

By raining death and destruction in Gazan civilians. So, you really don’t agree. Which is okay and understandable. But why the blatant hypocrisy?

 

[laughing dog]

Or let me put it differently, you haven't given me any reason to think you're not an antisemite.

Given the frequency of your absurdly false accusations of antisemitism, there is little reason you have a clue what antisemitism is, let alone think about it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

Double standards much? Yes, they defended against the 7/10 attacks very poorly. So? Just because Gaza/Hamas managed to get a boot in, does that mean that Israel forfeited it's chance to defend itself? You are not making any sense.

I take it you've never watched US football.

Hamas made an unprovoked first strike against Israel, targetting Israeli civilians, of a kind of brutality that is rare today. It was a pure terror attack. A kind of goverment that allows that, has to go. It's a kind of government we associate with ISIS, Iran or Nazi Germany. It's just unaccepbable by modern moral standards.

Who said any differant?

Do you agree that Israel has a right to defend itself?

Yes.

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians.

Saying there are crimes on both sides is not comparing. It's stating a fact.

You make it sound like you are equating them. As if they're both about as bad. Are you?

You're asking while responding to a post where I said no? Do you need a fresh eye exam?

In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

And there it is, the bullshit charge of antisemitism because someone doesn't like the policies of the Israeli government.

I don't think it's bullshit. Antisemitism is a strong streak in culturally Christian countries. As pointed out by people like, Hannah Arendt, it's so normalised and all pervasive that we struggle with realising that it is antisemitism. Even when it is.

And here comes the bigotry. I live in a mostly christian country so I must be anti-Semitic.

Are there anti-semites under your bed? Are they in the room with you right now?

I don't think the accusation of antisemitism against you is bullshit. Or let me put it differently, you haven't given me any reason to think you're not an antisemite.

It's your accusation. It's your obligation to prove it. Do you want me to prove a negative?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There has been a long history of "other" organizations doing things that Hamas wants deniability about.

Like who? It's not like Hamas has historically had issues with committing extreme acts of terror? Why wouldn't they take full responsibility?

It's not a matter of morality. Rather, do things like put on a different hat, shoot at Israel, Israel shoots back, they claim Israel broke the ceasefire.

Or things like doing the same thing they've always been doing of taking much of the aid and turning around and selling it to the people. But now it's "criminals" because Hamas doesn't want to admit the suffering is by their design.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

No it doesn't.
Israelis are consistently held accountable for the choices of the Gazans.
Tom

Perhaps in bizarro world.

But you are in effect blaming Israel for the consequences of Gaza choosing Hamas.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

Please explain yourself. I don't get it? Israel is just trying to defend itself against a foreign aggressor. And is doing that in a measured and appropriate manner. In what way are Israel not acting responsibly? A country that can't protect its citizens against foreign aggression, isn’t much of a country

What they are doing sounds a lot more like offence to me. Defense is defend your borders, block attacks from out side (which they appear to have done very poorly). Offence is taking the fight to the enemy. Israel has made Hamas the defense and become the offence. Note that I do not object to that automatically. But there are war crimes being committed by both sides. And that's why I continually say fuck both sides.

No. Offense is when you attack, defense is when you respond to an attack. It's preferable for the fighting to be in the other guy's territory whether you are on offense or defense. Same as the Ukrainian incursion into Russia is defense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

Blame the Jews is a simple "solution" that does not make it better.

 

[laughing dog]

Is the right's problem racism? Ie, the Israelis are savage children who don't know any better and therefore don't need to take responsibility for their actions?

Strange. Works both ways.

No it doesn't.
Israelis are consistently held accountable for the choices of the Gazans.
Tom

Perhaps in bizarro world.

But you are in effect blaming Israel for the consequences of Gaza choosing Hamas.

Only in bizarro world.

 

[laughing dog]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

Blame the Jews is a simple "solution" that does not make it better.

True. Just like blaming Gazan civilians or Iran is a simple "solution" that does not make it better.

 

[bilby]

A big problem in this conflict is that it's the same people who took part in the 7/10 attacks, as are Gazan civilian administrators, aid workers, journalists etc. It's almost like Hamas is struggling to find anyone to put in charge who isn't neck deep in guilt from that attack. the world doesn't divide neatly into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', and that simply killing all the bad guys just means killing everyone.

FTFY.

Reality is a complex and shitty mess. Simpletons pursuing simple solutions and simple "justice" do not make this better; They make it worse.

Blame the Jews is a simple "solution" that does not make it better.

That is true. There are many such simple "solutions". All should be avoided.

I certainly don't blame the Jews for anything.

 

[DrZoidberg]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that.

By raining death and destruction in Gazan civilians. So, you really don’t agree. Which is okay and understandable. But why the blatant hypocrisy?

No, they're not. That's just blatant antisemitic bullshit. Hamas putting Palestinian civilians in harms way isn't Israel's fault. It's simply not acceptable for one side to make an attack targetting civilians and then immediately withraw using their own people as human shields. Stop getting suckered in by pro-Palestinian propaganda.

 

[laughing dog]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that.

By raining death and destruction in Gazan civilians. So, you really don’t agree. Which is okay and understandable. But why the blatant hypocrisy?

No, they're not. That's just blatant antisemitic bullshit. Hamas putting Palestinian civilians in harms way isn't Israel's fault. It's simply not acceptable for one side to make an attack targetting civilians and then immediately withraw using their own people as human shields. Stop getting suckered in by pro-Palestinian propaganda.

Hamas is not required to put civilians in harm's way. Israel is not required to tell civilians to go to safe areas and then bomb those safe areas. bomb those civilians. The Gazan civlians are in harm's way because of choices made by Hamas and the gov't of Israel. That is a fact. While I understand why you feel are propaganda, they are not. So, your response is literally counterfactual.

Your tiresome false accusations of antisemitism make your response appear more like lunatic bigotry than anything else.

 

[DrZoidberg]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that.

By raining death and destruction in Gazan civilians. So, you really don’t agree. Which is okay and understandable. But why the blatant hypocrisy?

No, they're not. That's just blatant antisemitic bullshit. Hamas putting Palestinian civilians in harms way isn't Israel's fault. It's simply not acceptable for one side to make an attack targetting civilians and then immediately withraw using their own people as human shields. Stop getting suckered in by pro-Palestinian propaganda.

Hamas is not required to put civilians in harm's way. Israel is not required to tell civilians to go to safe areas and then bomb those safe areas. bomb those civilians. The Gazan civlians are in harm's way because of choices made by Hamas and the gov't of Israel. That is a fact.

You stating that as a fact is antisemitism. That's a fact.

While I understand why you feel are propaganda, they are not. So, your response is literally counterfactual.

If you have spent any time looking at how Gaza was organised by Hamas it's all a death trap for the IDF. It's like the entire country was designed to be a fortress to attack from and then withdraw into. With tunnels going underneath most of Gaza. With civilians living on top of the tunnels. Ie, using Palestinian civilians as human shields. That's why the Hamas military bases are placed underneath hospitals. To maximise the humanitarian suffering (of Palestinian civilians) if they're attacked.

Even after the IDF invaded Gaza Hamas has been shooting rockets from Gazan refugee camps into Israel, just to maximise Palestinian civilian casualities if Israel retaliates.

Hamas has been disgused as Palestinian civilians to attack the IDF. Why? To maximise Palestinian civilian casualities. Why do Hamas want to maximise Palestinian civilian casualites? It's for propaganda purposes. The more the Palestinian people suffer, the more goodwill the Palestinians get and the more support and money Hamas gets from deluded idiot westerners who aren't paying attention.

Islamofascism is really a thing. It's the "fascism" part that is important. An extreme calous disregard for human lives, and especially civilian lives. A willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything in order to win.

Your tiresome false accusations of antisemitism make your response appear more like lunatic bigotry than anything else.

Perhaps among antisemites living in a delusion about their antisemitism. Is it tiresome because it hits too close to home?

 

[zorq]

Do you think Israel would ever choose to lose willingly if winning proved to be too costly in human life or their own humanity?

Israel seems willing to sacrifice everyone and everything in order to win. How are they different?

 

[laughing dog]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that.

By raining death and destruction in Gazan civilians. So, you really don’t agree. Which is okay and understandable. But why the blatant hypocrisy?

No, they're not. That's just blatant antisemitic bullshit. Hamas putting Palestinian civilians in harms way isn't Israel's fault. It's simply not acceptable for one side to make an attack targetting civilians and then immediately withraw using their own people as human shields. Stop getting suckered in by pro-Palestinian propaganda.

Hamas is not required to put civilians in harm's way. Israel is not required to tell civilians to go to safe areas and then bomb those safe areas. bomb those civilians. The Gazan civlians are in harm's way because of choices made by Hamas and the gov't of Israel. That is a fact.

You stating that as a fact is antisemitism. That's a fact.

It is a fact that is your opinion. But your opinion does not make it true. Antisemitism is not disagreeing with rabid anti-Arab bigots. Antisemitism is hatred or prejudice against Jews. Pointing out that Israel makes choices is not anti-semitism, not matter how much it makes you feel better to fling your lunatic accusations.

While I understand why you feel are propaganda, they are not. So, your response is literally counterfactual.

If you have spent any time looking at how Gaza was organised by Hamas it's all a death trap for the IDF. It's like the entire country was designed to be a fortress to attack from and then withdraw into. With tunnels going underneath most of Gaza. With civilians living on top of the tunnels. Ie, using Palestinian civilians as human shields. That's why the Hamas military bases are placed underneath hospitals. To maximise the humanitarian suffering (of Palestinian civilians) if they're attacked.

Even after the IDF invaded Gaza Hamas has been shooting rockets from Gazan refugee camps into Israel, just to maximise Palestinian civilian casualities if Israel retaliates.

Hamas has been disgused as Palestinian civilians to attack the IDF. Why? To maximise Palestinian civilian casualities. Why do Hamas want to maximise Palestinian civilian casualites? It's for propaganda purposes. The more the Palestinian people suffer, the more goodwill the Palestinians get and the more support and money Hamas gets from deluded idiot westerners who aren't paying attention.

Islamofascism is really a thing. It's the "fascism" part that is important. An extreme calous disregard for human lives, and especially civilian lives. A willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything in order to win.

Thanks Captain Obvious. A succinct summary of the above is that Hamas chooses to put Gazan civilian lives at risk, and the IDF chooses to respond by attacking Hamas knowing will be significant "collateral damage". One of the many differences between our positions is you approve of the IDF choices while I don't approve any Hamas's or the IDF's choices. Hamas is extremely callous towards the lives of their population, but your defense of their ongoing slaughter exhibits callousness towards their lives as well.

Your tiresome false accusations of antisemitism make your response appear more like lunatic bigotry than anything else.

Perhaps among antisemites living in a delusion about their antisemitism. Is it tiresome because it hits too close to home?

No, it is stupidity that is tiresome. The bigotry is alarming.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Do you think Israel would ever choose to lose willingly if winning proved to be too costly in human life or their own humanity?

Israel seems willing to sacrifice everyone and everything in order to win. How are they different?

I think that is overstepping it a bit. Israel has not demonstrated, in my opinion, a scorched Earth technique. I think the trouble is Israel is managing Gaza like it is a military and religious issue instead of a political one, and Israel isn't alone with that. Sadly, Trump fucked up the Iran deal which would have been a useful first step for a dual pronged Iranian/Saudi rework of the Middle East. But the Saudis didn't want the US getting closer to Iran. Indeed, the trouble in the Middle East stems from the Middle East itself and the inter-political/religious issues amongst themselves. And we kow it isn't even that unified within the borders, hence the authoritarian stuff to both keep out democratic/modernization dissent and terrorism.

Israel is a useful distraction for them. It is one of those, 'they don't need an actual outcome' for it to work in their interests. They just need a distraction.

Ultimately what happens in Palestine, no one cares about. Look at Syria. You see Iran and Saudi Arabia lining up to invest in it? The Middle East is funny. They hate each other as much as they hate us.

 

[Swammerdami]

But pressing charges against Hamas in the Hague is a waste of time since Hamas is already on everyone's naughty list.

What's your point? It almost sounds like your one-sided news source -- InfoWars? -- didn't tell you that Hamas has been charged.

Today I am filing applications for warrants of arrest before Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court in the Situation in the State of Palestine.
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:

• Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
• Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
• Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
• Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
• Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
• Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
• Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
• Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.

My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

My Office submits there are reasonable grounds to believe that SINWAR, DEIF and HANIYEH are criminally responsible for the killing of hundreds of Israeli civilians in attacks perpetrated by Hamas (in particular its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades) and other armed groups on 7 October 2023 and the taking of at least 245 hostages. As part of our investigations, my Office has interviewed victims and survivors, including former hostages and eyewitnesses from six major attack locations: Kfar Aza; Holit; the location of the Supernova Music Festival; Be’eri; Nir Oz; and Nahal Oz. The investigation also relies on evidence such as CCTV footage, authenticated audio, photo and video material, statements by Hamas members including the alleged perpetrators named above, and expert evidence.
[et cetera]

 

[DrZoidberg]

But pressing charges against Hamas in the Hague is a waste of time since Hamas is already on everyone's naughty list.

What's your point? It almost sounds like your one-sided news source -- InfoWars? -- didn't tell you that Hamas has been charged.

Today I am filing applications for warrants of arrest before Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court in the Situation in the State of Palestine.
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:

• Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
• Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
• Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
• Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
• Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
• Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
• Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
• Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.

My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

My Office submits there are reasonable grounds to believe that SINWAR, DEIF and HANIYEH are criminally responsible for the killing of hundreds of Israeli civilians in attacks perpetrated by Hamas (in particular its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades) and other armed groups on 7 October 2023 and the taking of at least 245 hostages. As part of our investigations, my Office has interviewed victims and survivors, including former hostages and eyewitnesses from six major attack locations: Kfar Aza; Holit; the location of the Supernova Music Festival; Be’eri; Nir Oz; and Nahal Oz. The investigation also relies on evidence such as CCTV footage, authenticated audio, photo and video material, statements by Hamas members including the alleged perpetrators named above, and expert evidence.
[et cetera]

How much are you willing to bet that this goes anywhere?

 

[DrZoidberg]

And fuck you for saying that there's crimes on both sides. You can't comprare the brutality of them. Israel is doing their best to avoid civilian casualities, while Hamas is doing their damndest to make Israel kill Palestinian civilians by mistake. Not to mention that Hamas intitial attack targetted civilians. In this context, a statment like "there's crimes on both sides" is antisemitism. Nice to know where I have you.

Modern moral standards make the destruction and death raining on Gazan civilians unacceptable.

Yes. I agree. Which is why the culprits... Hamas... needs to be destroyed ASAP. IDF is doing that.

By raining death and destruction in Gazan civilians. So, you really don’t agree. Which is okay and understandable. But why the blatant hypocrisy?

No, they're not. That's just blatant antisemitic bullshit. Hamas putting Palestinian civilians in harms way isn't Israel's fault. It's simply not acceptable for one side to make an attack targetting civilians and then immediately withraw using their own people as human shields. Stop getting suckered in by pro-Palestinian propaganda.

Hamas is not required to put civilians in harm's way. Israel is not required to tell civilians to go to safe areas and then bomb those safe areas. bomb those civilians. The Gazan civlians are in harm's way because of choices made by Hamas and the gov't of Israel. That is a fact.

You stating that as a fact is antisemitism. That's a fact.

It is a fact that is your opinion. But your opinion does not make it true. Antisemitism is not disagreeing with rabid anti-Arab bigots. Antisemitism is hatred or prejudice against Jews. Pointing out that Israel makes choices is not anti-semitism, not matter how much it makes you feel better to fling your lunatic accusations.

Ok, then. Then how do you explain your double standards? And your problem with Israel defending itself? Your whitewashing of, the pretty extreme, Palestinian war crimes? Do you really not understand how that comes across as antisemitism?

What other qualities of Israel can lead to these double standards, if not the fact that they're Jewish?

While I understand why you feel are propaganda, they are not. So, your response is literally counterfactual.

If you have spent any time looking at how Gaza was organised by Hamas it's all a death trap for the IDF. It's like the entire country was designed to be a fortress to attack from and then withdraw into. With tunnels going underneath most of Gaza. With civilians living on top of the tunnels. Ie, using Palestinian civilians as human shields. That's why the Hamas military bases are placed underneath hospitals. To maximise the humanitarian suffering (of Palestinian civilians) if they're attacked.

Even after the IDF invaded Gaza Hamas has been shooting rockets from Gazan refugee camps into Israel, just to maximise Palestinian civilian casualities if Israel retaliates.

Hamas has been disgused as Palestinian civilians to attack the IDF. Why? To maximise Palestinian civilian casualities. Why do Hamas want to maximise Palestinian civilian casualites? It's for propaganda purposes. The more the Palestinian people suffer, the more goodwill the Palestinians get and the more support and money Hamas gets from deluded idiot westerners who aren't paying attention.

Islamofascism is really a thing. It's the "fascism" part that is important. An extreme calous disregard for human lives, and especially civilian lives. A willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything in order to win.

Thanks Captain Obvious. A succinct summary of the above is that Hamas chooses to put Gazan civilian lives at risk, and the IDF chooses to respond by attacking Hamas knowing will be significant "collateral damage". One of the many differences between our positions is you approve of the IDF choices while I don't approve any Hamas's or the IDF's choices. Hamas is extremely callous towards the lives of their population, but your defense of their ongoing slaughter exhibits callousness towards their lives as well.

Then how do you propose Israel defends itself? Do you not understand how you are condoning Hamas' use of Palestinian human shields by using that as an argument against Israel and their ability to hit back?

You are aware that the problems with getting aid into Gaza is because Hamas (who still are in power in areas not controlled by IDF) are not protecting aid convoys? Normally aid convoys are protected by both sides, and there's an agreement between the fighting sides to allow aid through. But Hamas are not interested in any negotiations with Israel.

Your tiresome false accusations of antisemitism make your response appear more like lunatic bigotry than anything else.

Perhaps among antisemites living in a delusion about their antisemitism. Is it tiresome because it hits too close to home?

No, it is stupidity that is tiresome. The bigotry is alarming.

I think we have about the same view of eachother then

 

[laughing dog]

Ok, then. Then how do you explain your double standards? And your problem with Israel defending itself? Your whitewashing of, the pretty extreme, Palestinian war crimes? Do you really not understand how that comes across as antisemitism?

I haven’t whitewashed or defended Hamas’s violence, so I don’t see any double standards on my part. Nor do I have a problem with Israel defending itself - the issue for me and others is the manner of that defense. Perhaps you can present an actual quote of mine to substantiate your conclusion.

Then how do you propose Israel defends itself? Do you not understand how you are condoning Hamas' use of Palestinian human shields by using that as an argument against Israel and their ability to hit back?

I am not condoning their tactics.