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Trump Vs Iran

TV and credit cards said:
I would think the smart thing to do is for Trump to have told Netanyahu, "Okay I'll bomb these facilities but then that's it. You have no more reason for strikes on Iran".
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Your use of the word "smart" here is wholly inappropriate because the word "smart" and "Trump" have never been seen in the same room together.
 
TV and credit cards said:
I would think the smart thing to do is for Trump to have told Netanyahu, "Okay I'll bomb these facilities but then that's it. You have no more reason for strikes on Iran".
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Well, Iran has struck Tel Aviv again after the attack on the nuke sites and announced “for us, the war has begun.” They have also announced all Americans everywhere are legitimate targets.
 
www.theguardian.com

How effective was the US attack on Iran’s nuclear sites? A visual guide

Trump claims the assault ‘totally obliterated’ the key facilities, but what do we know about its impact?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Welp, it sounds like this is a little bit inconclusive. Plus, they may have moved the enriched uranium that they definitely had and we're not being lied to. So, we're going to have to go in there to find what they did with the WMDs. Don't worry, the Iranians love us and will throw roses at our feet.
 
pood said:
TV and credit cards said:
I would think the smart thing to do is for Trump to have told Netanyahu, "Okay I'll bomb these facilities but then that's it. You have no more reason for strikes on Iran".
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Well, Iran has struck Tel Aviv again after the attack on the nuke sites and announced “for us, the war has begun.” They have also announced all Americans everywhere are legitimate targets.
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And remain targets for as long as any regime has to rely on anti-US factions to remain in power.
 
Wars ate bad. Wars without a plan are catastrophic.

Tgis fucker know oil embargoes are a thing?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Wars ate bad. Wars without a plan are catastrophic.

Tgis fucker know oil embargoes are a thing?
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Embargoes? Iran don't need no embargoes.

They just need to release a bunch of cheap floating mines into the straits of Hormuz, and the tanker captains will refuse to pass through whether there's an embargo or not.

The world not only stops getting oil from Iran, but also most of the oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and the UAE.

What's the US gonna do in retaliation? Bomb Iran?

Sure, the US Navy has minesweepers (or as they are called in Iran, "targets"); But mines are cheap, so if the US sweep them, Iran can just put them back.
 
bilby said:
They just need to release a bunch of cheap floating mines into the straits of Hormuz, and the tanker captains will refuse to pass through whether there's an embargo or not.
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I've often wondered why there isn't a big pipeline to the Arabian Sea. Insufficient capacity even if built perhaps?
 
jonatha said:
I've often wondered why there isn't a big pipeline to the Arabian Sea. Insufficient capacity even if built perhaps?
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Or … why not outfit commercial vessels with minesweeping capability?
 
Although predictable... One of the big things Trumpites said when voting for him was that he was going to keep us out of wars. Today on Facebook and Insta, every reprehensible asshole is celebrating Trump taking us to war.

This isn't surprising, but still.
 
So US intelligence services believe that Iran was not working on a bomb. Trump says they were a few weeks away from having a bomb. He says that Gabbard, his Director of National Intelligence, is wrong and a day later she changes her story. Based on what?

What information, if any, does Trump have that US Intelligence does not? Netanyahu says so?

To me looking at this US attack, it all comes down to whether Iran really has bomb capability or almost had one and there is no one trustworthy to listen to. The primary claim that they do comes from pathological liar Trump and warmonger Netanyahu. Both untrustworthy sources.

Also, last night Trump said that Iran's nuclear capability has been "obliterated". Of course I knew he could not know because one bomb could not penetrate deep enough. It would take multiple bombs down the same hole. And of course now the pentagon is saying that they don't know yet.

How does one evaluate this situation when the main person here, Trump, it a pathological liar?
 
bilby said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Wars ate bad. Wars without a plan are catastrophic.

Tgis fucker know oil embargoes are a thing?
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Embargoes? Iran don't need no embargoes.

They just need to release a bunch of cheap floating mines into the straits of Hormuz, and the tanker captains will refuse to pass through whether there's an embargo or not.

The world not only stops getting oil from Iran, but also most of the oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and the UAE.

What's the US gonna do in retaliation? Bomb Iran?

Sure, the US Navy has minesweepers (or as they are called in Iran, "targets"); But mines are cheap, so if the US sweep them, Iran can just put them back.
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1. Every nation with oil will continue to sell it. The US itself has large strategic reserves and can pump out as much as is needed.

2. If the US wants to take out Iran's "navy" it will have no trouble doing so. Ships need harbors and there is no doubt the US knows exactly where those harbors are and what's in them.

3. If the Iranian air force bothers to meet the U.S. in the sky, well, good luck with that.

I'm not supporting Trump nor am I saying that a ground war there would be a cakewalk... well, the initial invasion would be, but the aftermath wouldn't. It's just that I believe your thinking is a bit misguided on the issues you brought up.
 
crazyfingers said:
How does one evaluate this situation when the main person here, Trump, it a pathological liar?
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One cannot, but that's of little relevance.

His supporters will believe him without question. If Trump says it, they'll take it as undeniable truth. The rest of the GOP will support him without question even if they don't believe him. Either way, it amounts to the same thing.
 
I can't watch Orangey on TV. Has he blamed Biden yet, for the necessity of attacking Iran?
I read Kenneth M. Pollack's book Unthinkable when it came out, in 2013. It concerns Iran's nuclear program and what could be done about it. Pollack concluded that sanctions and diplomacy, although far from perfect and far from easy to enact, were the only feasible routes. His conclusion on attacking Iran was that Israel's air force could damage the Iranians and set them back three years, and that a U.S. strike could set them back five years; that Iran would seek nuclear facility locations that were deeper in the mountains and impregnable to attack. If he's right, and if those numbers are even somewhat reliable, are we now bound to an endless cycle of war? Our Constitution and the division of powers mean nothing to Trump and the Repubs, so our fate is in the head of the Maga King. He will be easy to goad, and Iran will no doubt target the shipping in the gulf to hit back at us.
What a mess.
 
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