Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Gospel]

Despite islam, not because of islam.

You sure like rewriting history. You do realize that without 7th-century Islam, the violent tribal society it emerged from would’ve never given rise to the mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy that shaped civilization itself.

It was because of Islam, bruh, not in spite of it. Don’t let your hatred for the violent, reactionary and modern version of the faith erase the history that made your modern world possible.

 

[Politesse]

Despite islam, not because of islam.

You sure like rewriting history. You do realize that without 7th-century Islam, the violent tribal society it emerged from would’ve never given rise to the mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy that shaped civilization itself.

It was because of Islam, bruh, not in spite of it. Don’t let your hatred for the violent, reactionary and modern version of the faith erase the history that made your modern world possible.

Does Tswizzle actually value those things, or are they too "Woke"? Usually Republicans are trying to kill philosophy programs, not enroll in them.

 

[Gospel]

I am well aware of the history of science and math. Before the rise of Europe Persia and Arabia were the places to be for science.

Newton used Persian astronomical data.

That is not the issue. The issue is how things are right now. Cultural sensitivity and political correctness is not going to solve the problems.

The policy of Iran is the destruction of Israel. Lebanon is effectively under militray occupation funded by Iran.

Iran has long been working to topple the Saudi monarchy, funding the chaos and violence in Yemen. All a centuries old religious and racial conflict.

Yemen, Sudan, Ethiopian factions do not want to compromise.,

In the 90s I took a night class from an immigrant Iranian. In a conversation I inadvertently refereed to him as Arab. He briefly got angry telling me he was Persian not Arab.

If you want peace Iran has to be forced to stop funding Hamas ad others. That could threaten the Iranian theocracy. The Republican Guard doe not appear to be under government control, anther problem for peace.

If the Iranian government falls who knows what will happen. That is why Israel is so paranoid of Iran going nuclear.

Back sways Jordan annexed the West Bank leading to a civil war with Palestinians for control of Jordan,. I think that is where Yasar Arafat made his entrance.

The region is a mess. Israel is only one part of it.

Fair points on Iran’s influence, but this reads like a snapshot without the wider lens. Regional policy isn’t just theology or aggression, it’s survival my dude. Everybody in that hood is playing defense disguised as offense. Iran funds the Houthis to contain Saudi power, not overthrow it. Lebanon isn’t occupied, it’s fractured. And Iran’s anti-Israel stance is political theatre mixed with deterrence, not an invasion plan. The Middle East isn’t some avengers comic book where good guys fight the forces of evil bruh burh. It’s a chessboard where everyone’s a pawn and a player.

 

[Gospel]

Despite islam, not because of islam.

You sure like rewriting history. You do realize that without 7th-century Islam, the violent tribal society it emerged from would’ve never given rise to the mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy that shaped civilization itself.

It was because of Islam, bruh, not in spite of it. Don’t let your hatred for the violent, reactionary and modern version of the faith erase the history that made your modern world possible.

Does Tswizzle actually value those things, or are they too "Woke"? Usually Republicans are trying to kill philosophy programs, not enroll in them.

That's Funny. But on a serious note, I’ve never read anything from TSwizzle that suggests those things aren’t valuable. Our disagreements have been mainly over narratives, not principles.

 

[Politesse]

Go ahead. Ask Tswizzle if he thinks young people should major in philosophy.

 

[Gospel]

Go ahead. Ask Tswizzle if he thinks young people should major in philosophy.

I can only speak for myself, but I see two kinds of philosophy: the kind that asks and tests big questions about existence and truth, and the kind that’s more poetic wordplay, entertaining but not necessarily practical. Rejecting one doesn’t mean rejecting the other. I haven’t seen TSwizzle reject the first kind, at least not in any post I’ve read. What I have seen is a lot of philosophy about California and Gavin Newsom.

 

[TSwizzle]

Despite islam, not because of islam.

You sure like rewriting history.

muslims do that. The claims of islamic discoveries are overstated.

You do realize that without 7th-century Islam, the violent tribal society it emerged from would’ve never given rise to the mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy that shaped civilization itself.

lol, hardly.

It was because of Islam, bruh, not in spite of it. Don’t let your hatred for the violent, reactionary and modern version of the faith erase the history that made your modern world possible.

Behave yourself.

 

[Gospel]

muslims do that. The claims of islamic discoveries are overstated.

I actually agree, that “Islamic discoveries” are overstated. Islam itself didn’t discover anything; it was the people, not the faith, who made those breakthroughs. The religion may have inspired a culture of learning, but it was human intellect, curiosity, and effort that built what civilization benefits from today. The people leading the charge in discovery at that time just happened to be Muslim.

 

[Gospel]

Back on topic, I’m honestly trying to understand how Hamas managed to secure the bodies of the hostages for nearly two years amid constant bombardment. Were they able to move them each time they relocated, or did they have a location that somehow stayed protected the whole time? Gaza’s so densely monitored it’s hard to picture how that could go undetected for so long. The reason I ask is because part of the deal involves returning all the hostages, dead or alive , and given Hamas’s history, it’s hard to see why they’d prioritize safeguarding remains. Maybe Israel already knew where the hostages were and chose to strike anything deemed militant in hopes of pressuring Hamas to release them.

Reports are saying Hamas still hasn’t turned over all the hostages, maybe they’re scrambling to find remains they left behind somewhere along the way.

 

[bilby]

Despite islam, not because of islam.

You sure like rewriting history. You do realize that without 7th-century Islam, the violent tribal society it emerged from would’ve never given rise to the mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy that shaped civilization itself.

It was because of Islam, bruh, not in spite of it. Don’t let your hatred for the violent, reactionary and modern version of the faith erase the history that made your modern world possible.

Does Tswizzle actually value those things, or are they too "Woke"? Usually Republicans are trying to kill philosophy programs, not enroll in them.

Yeah, judging from his "contributions" here on climate change, it seems that TSwizzle is not a fan of science, and if we can credit Islam for its develpment, that is a strike against Islam in his eyes.

 

[ZiprHead]

Does Tswizzle actually value those things, or are they too "Woke"? Usually Republicans are trying to kill philosophy programs, not enroll in them.

Jesus would be too woke for Swiz and MAGA.

 

[TSwizzle]

muslims do that. The claims of islamic discoveries are overstated.

I actually agree, that “Islamic discoveries” are overstated. Islam itself didn’t discover anything; it was the people, not the faith, who made those breakthroughs. The religion may have inspired a culture of learning, but it was human intellect, curiosity, and effort that built what civilization benefits from today. The people leading the charge in discovery at that time just happened to be Muslim.

lol, not at all. The religion inspired plundering and subjugation.

 

[Gospel]

muslims do that. The claims of islamic discoveries are overstated.

I actually agree, that “Islamic discoveries” are overstated. Islam itself didn’t discover anything; it was the people, not the faith, who made those breakthroughs. The religion may have inspired a culture of learning, but it was human intellect, curiosity, and effort that built what civilization benefits from today. The people leading the charge in discovery at that time just happened to be Muslim.

lol, not at all. The religion inspired plundering and subjugation.

Empires conquer; people create. The two have always coexisted, Islam’s history isn’t unique in that regard.

Edit: Let me expand on this. The scholars came from multiple faiths, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Persian, all working under Islamic rule. So it wasn’t the religion doing the science, but it also wasn’t separate from it; it was the Abbasid and other Islamic empires that made collaboration and learning possible. Hate Islam all you like; history still happened without asking for your approval.

 

[ZiprHead]

Back on topic, I’m honestly trying to understand how Hamas managed to secure the bodies of the hostages for nearly two years amid constant bombardment. Were they able to move them each time they relocated, or did they have a location that somehow stayed protected the whole time? Gaza’s so densely monitored it’s hard to picture how that could go undetected for so long. The reason I ask is because part of the deal involves returning all the hostages, dead or alive , and given Hamas’s history, it’s hard to see why they’d prioritize safeguarding remains. Maybe Israel already knew where the hostages were and chose to strike anything deemed militant in hopes of pressuring Hamas to release them.

IIRC from that first big hostage release under Biden many of the hostages were kept in home of sympathetic Palestinian families and were actually treated quite well by those families.

This whole thing was basically Biden 2.0, the same agreement.

135 hostages (if my math and source is correct) released under Biden. 20 released under Trump. Yet Trump gets all the credit.

There is speculation that when Trump and Netanyahu met before the election they agreed to not negotiate for more releases until Trump was elected to keep Biden from having another win.

Reports are saying Hamas still hasn’t turned over all the hostages, maybe they’re scrambling to find remains they left behind somewhere along the way.

I haven't heard that but considering how many dead people are still under the rubble of those destroyed buildings it would not surprise me if hostages are not buried among them along with dead captors.

 

[TSwizzle]

muslims do that. The claims of islamic discoveries are overstated.

I actually agree, that “Islamic discoveries” are overstated. Islam itself didn’t discover anything; it was the people, not the faith, who made those breakthroughs. The religion may have inspired a culture of learning, but it was human intellect, curiosity, and effort that built what civilization benefits from today. The people leading the charge in discovery at that time just happened to be Muslim.

lol, not at all. The religion inspired plundering and subjugation.

Empires conquer; people create. The two have always coexisted, Islam’s history isn’t unique in that regard.

I never said it was.

Edit: Let me expand on this. The scholars came from multiple faiths, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Persian, all working under Islamic rule. So it wasn’t the religion doing the science, but it also wasn’t separate from it; it was the Abbasid and other Islamic empires that made collaboration and learning possible. Hate Islam all you like; history still happened without asking for your approval.

gibberish.

 

[Gospel]

gibberish.

If by “gibberish” you mean verifiable historical fact, then sure, it’s very articulate gibberish.

 

[Gospel]

Now that I’ve finished searing TSwizzle to a crisp and the air’s thick with the smell of burnt ego and singed hair, back to the actual topic.

Israel releases first batch of Palestinian bodies to Gaza

A first batch of bodies of Palestinians killed during the Gaza war has arrived in the enclave after being released by Israel, local health authorities told Reuters on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Israel cuts agreed aid into Gaza over slow release of hostage bodies

Israel will only allow half the agreed number of aid trucks into Gaza starting Wednesday, according to a note seen by Reuters and confirmed by the United Nations, in a setback to hopes food and supplies would be quickly ramped up to ease famine in the enclave.

www.reuters.com

 

[laughing dog]

Back on topic, I’m honestly trying to understand how Hamas managed to secure the bodies of the hostages for nearly two years amid constant bombardment. Were they able to move them each time they relocated, or did they have a location that somehow stayed protected the whole time? Gaza’s so densely monitored it’s hard to picture how that could go undetected for so long. The reason I ask is because part of the deal involves returning all the hostages, dead or alive , and given Hamas’s history, it’s hard to see why they’d prioritize safeguarding remains. Maybe Israel already knew where the hostages were and chose to strike anything deemed militant in hopes of pressuring Hamas to release them.

Reports are saying Hamas still hasn’t turned over all the hostages, maybe they’re scrambling to find remains they left behind somewhere along the way.

The Economist reports in its current issue that Hamas does not know there whereabouts of all hostage remains and that Hamas was not holding all the live hostages. Whether that report is accurate, I don’t know.

 

[TSwizzle]

Now that I’ve finished searing TSwizzle to a crisp and the air’s thick with the smell of burnt ego and singed hair

Sure, Jan.