Gender derail from "Another day" thread.

[Half-Life]

So, this is in a textbook, somewhere? What branch of science? well, yeah, you SAY you know what 'science' says, then you just spout off more of your own bile.
Laugh away, Half, as you proceed to marginalize your iwn position.

"They are lecturing us on science when they don't even understand basic biology!" is a common joke from the right.

yeah, bbut i have noticed that the right does not really understand humor. The 'right' laughs at anything that reinforces their world view. It's not a joke, just a pat on your own back, ahur-hur.

How many people do you know that have a baby and then say, "We don't know if it's a boy or girl. We have to wait for the kid to decide for himself."

Three. Because the matter of self identity is not plumbing.

I mean, think about it, if you can. If the presence of a penis in my underwear is not enough to convince ME that i am a man, why in the fuck would i care about your opinion?

What you are essentially saying is that if a man with a penis came up to you and said, "I'm a woman" and you had sex with this "woman," you did not just engage in homosexual sex?

This is very confusing. How can men say they are straight if they will have sex with a "woman with a penis?" You just threw out all sexual orientation.

You also did not answer the dilemma about the girl who says she's a cat. Do you agree she's a cat? Why or why not?

 

[Half-Life]

A man is a man and a woman is a woman is the most basic scientific fact in the world. The fact that people are doubting this in 2019 while claiming that Republicans are anti-science is a real laugh riot.

"They are lecturing us on science when they don't even understand basic biology!" is a common joke from the right.

How many people do you know that have a baby and then say, "We don't know if it's a boy or girl. We have to wait for the kid to decide for himself."

You apparently really don't understand the science of biology.

I think there's a Bible passage about fools professing that they are wise? It takes a lot of complicated understa ding and study that you clearly have not done to understand the complexities of how brains and genitals happen. It isn't magic. It's a process, and the process is extremely complicated and can shake out all sorts of different ways to different extents. The process that grows brains is just more susceptible to minor changes and differences than the genital process, and even The genital process goes off the reservation at a stunning frequency.

But sure, proclaim your own failure to so much as even try to enroll in a course on biology and organic chemistry, your own failure to discuss any of this with a microbiologist or biochemist, and your personal disdain for academics in general as equivalent to the experience and knowledge of someone who has spent their entire life trying to fulfill their lust for knowledge and wisdom on these subjects.

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

 

[Jarhyn]

So, this is in a textbook, somewhere? What branch of science? well, yeah, you SAY you know what 'science' says, then you just spout off more of your own bile.
Laugh away, Half, as you proceed to marginalize your iwn position. yeah, bbut i have noticed that the right does not really understand humor. The 'right' laughs at anything that reinforces their world view. It's not a joke, just a pat on your own back, ahur-hur. Three. Because the matter of self identity is not plumbing.

I mean, think about it, if you can. If the presence of a penis in my underwear is not enough to convince ME that i am a man, why in the fuck would i care about your opinion?

What you are essentially saying is that if a man with a penis came up to you and said, "I'm a woman" and you had sex with this "woman," you did not just engage in homosexual sex?

This is very confusing. How can men say they are straight if they will have sex with a "woman with a penis?" You just threw out all sexual orientation.

You also did not answer the dilemma about the girl who says she's a cat. Do you agree she's a cat? Why or why not?

Dude, I've had sex with women with penises. Hell, I married and subsequently divorced one. Once she started pursuing the feminine identity, I found myself unattracted to her.

Similarly, I've been with a man with a vagina. I know several, aside from my husband who is the love of my life. Without getting into it, I find the majority of them extremely attractive; their lack of penis is to me, a mild inconvenience.

I have occasionally felt attraction to a number of people who, at the time, were apparent females. Later on, to the last of them, came out as trans. Most, however, were trans-straight with an interest in women.

I've known a number of women with penises, as well, along those lines similar to my ex-spouse. None of them particularly inspire my arousal.

I've known a LOT of cis-men who are gay, many of which inspire my arousal.

The consistency by which I have found men, trans or otherwise even not knowing at the time that they were trans is telling to me. And the failure and awkwardness of relationships I have had with trans-women is also itself informative.

I have no problems with admitting I am not absolutely gay, though I doubt anyone in this world is purely gay or straight, but the consistency of my own experience says that there is nothing homosexual about liking a chick with a dick, and nothing particularly straight about sex with a man who has a vagina.

I'm just not fixated on genitals. I don't think anyone trulybsecure in their sexuality is. The interest in genitals for me is purely in the utility of what kind of fun I can get down to.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What you are essentially saying is that if a man with a penis came up to you and said, "I'm a woman" and you had sex with this "woman," you did not just engage in homosexual sex?

no, i did not say that, or anything like it.
But clearly, your stance on gender issuses is based on raging homophobia.
You are SO afraid you might have sex some day, and it'll turn out to be something that you think is perverted.

This is very confusing. How can men say they are straight if they will have sex with a "woman with a penis?" You just threw out all sexual orientation.

you are confused about something YOU MADE UP, not something i have ever said.
This is not a surprise.

You also did not answer the dilemma about the girl who says she's a cat. Do you agree she's a cat? Why or why not?

what makes it a dilemma?
Why tgge fuck do you care?

 

[Half-Life]

So, this is in a textbook, somewhere? What branch of science? well, yeah, you SAY you know what 'science' says, then you just spout off more of your own bile.
Laugh away, Half, as you proceed to marginalize your iwn position. yeah, bbut i have noticed that the right does not really understand humor. The 'right' laughs at anything that reinforces their world view. It's not a joke, just a pat on your own back, ahur-hur. Three. Because the matter of self identity is not plumbing.

I mean, think about it, if you can. If the presence of a penis in my underwear is not enough to convince ME that i am a man, why in the fuck would i care about your opinion?

What you are essentially saying is that if a man with a penis came up to you and said, "I'm a woman" and you had sex with this "woman," you did not just engage in homosexual sex?

This is very confusing. How can men say they are straight if they will have sex with a "woman with a penis?" You just threw out all sexual orientation.

You also did not answer the dilemma about the girl who says she's a cat. Do you agree she's a cat? Why or why not?

Dude, I've had sex with women with penises. Hell, I married and subsequently divorced one. Once she started pursuing the feminine identity, I found myself unattracted to her.

Similarly, I've been with a man with a vagina. I know several, aside from my husband who is the love of my life. Without getting into it, I find the majority of them extremely attractive; their lack of penis is to me, a mild inconvenience.

I have occasionally felt attraction to a number of people who, at the time, were apparent females. Later on, to the last of them, came out as trans. Most, however, were trans-straight with an interest in women.

I've known a number of women with penises, as well, along those lines similar to my ex-spouse. None of them particularly inspire my arousal.

I've known a LOT of cis-men who are gay, many of which inspire my arousal.

The consistency by which I have found men, trans or otherwise even not knowing at the time that they were trans is telling to me. And the failure and awkwardness of relationships I have had with trans-women is also itself informative.

I have no problems with admitting I am not absolutely gay, though I doubt anyone in this world is purely gay or straight, but the consistency of my own experience says that there is nothing homosexual about liking a chick with a dick, and nothing particularly straight about sex with a man who has a vagina.

I'm just not fixated on genitals. I don't think anyone trulybsecure in their sexuality is. The interest in genitals for me is purely in the utility of what kind of fun I can get down to.

Straight men are not attracted to penises. I would know. I am one of those men. If a "woman" said to me, "I have a penis," I would not be attracted to them. I would say that straight men feel this same way. Otherwise, there is no such thing as straight and gay.

if all it takes for a straight men to be attracted to a man is for them to say, "I'm a woman instead of a man!" then you are blurring all lines. No straight man would instantly be attracted to Donald Trump if he said, "I'm now a woman."

 

[Keith&Co.]

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

You get a lot of your education from fictional stories, don't you?
You do know that tge purpose of ygat scene was to embarrass the cop, right? Not to establish gendrr issues?

Or maybe that's beyond you....

 

[Keith&Co.]

Straight men are not attracted to penises. I would know. I am one of those men.

having a dick does not really establish you as an expert on all dtraig ht men, halfie.

 

[Jarhyn]

no, i did not say that, or anything like it.
But clearly, your stance on gender issuses is based on raging homophobia.
You are SO afraid you might have sex some day, and it'll turn out to be something that you think is perverted. you are confused about something YOU MADE UP, not something i have ever said.
This is not a surprise.

You also did not answer the dilemma about the girl who says she's a cat. Do you agree she's a cat? Why or why not?

what makes it a dilemma?
Why tgge fuck do you care?

Maybe they had an encounter with a furry, and regret how they handled it? That's what I'm gonna go with.

I've banged with many a man who identified as cat, and the scratches on my back and the bites seem to confirm

I even happen to be married to one currently. I mean sometimes he identifies more as an otter on occasion, but I like otters, too, so NBD.

 

[Half-Life]

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

You get a lot of your education from fictional stories, don't you?
You do know that tge purpose of ygat scene was to embarrass the cop, right? Not to establish gendrr issues?

Or maybe that's beyond you....

Right-wingers have been saying if that movie was made today, there's no way in hell the SJW's would allow that scene in there. They would say it's being insensitive to trans people.

This world is getting filled with whining babies.

 

[James Brown]

This world is getting filled with whining babies.

Not you, though. You're a model of silent restraint.

 

[blastula]

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

Argument by Kindergarten Cop. Another brilliant Halfie swing and miss.

Since you like videos so much, you might want to watch this one.

[YOUTUBE]9bbINLWtMKI[/YOUTUBE]

She makes lots of good points, especially one which she borrows from conservative trans woman Blaire White, about how adopted parents are called parents, mothers and fathers, regardless of the biological origin of the children. At least watch it for the amusing self own by Ben Shapiro at 16:20.

 

[Half-Life]

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

Argument by Kindergarten Cop. Another brilliant Halfie swing and miss.

Since you like videos so much, you might want to watch this one.

[YOUTUBE]9bbINLWtMKI[/YOUTUBE]

She makes lots of good points, especially one which she borrows from conservative trans woman Blaire White, about how adopted parents are called parents, mothers and fathers, regardless of the biological origin of the children. At least watch it for the amusing self own by Ben Shapiro at 16:20.

Adopted parents are called parents because sometimes they do not want to let the kid know they are adopted. But, if the kid does find out, there's numerous instances where they say, "You can't tell me what to do! You're not my parents!"

I have heard of Contrapoints. But, he's already been debunked by right-wingers. Just because he participates in a delusion and is popular doesn't mean he's right. He can misgender himself all he wants, but I will not misgender him.

 

[laughing dog]

Just because he participates in a delusion and is popular doesn't mean he's right.

You realize that applies to just about every conservative "thinker" you quote.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Very simple.

Yes, thank you.
Since you have proven to always be wrong on this forum, tgat settles the complicated issue as far more complicated tgan you understand or can accept.
All that remains is for you to provide a link thast does fuck-all to support your claim, thus removing even the most generous assumption of credibility, whst?

A man is a man and a woman is a woman is the most basic scientific fact in the world. The fact that people are doubting this in 2019 while claiming that Republicans are anti-science is a real laugh riot.

"They are lecturing us on science when they don't even understand basic biology!" is a common joke from the right.

How many people do you know that have a baby and then say, "We don't know if it's a boy or girl. We have to wait for the kid to decide for himself."

And what is someone with 5α-Reductase deficiency who is born with a female appearance?

While testing can reveal their true nature they appear to be normal girls--until puberty when the grow a penis.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The consistency by which I have found men, trans or otherwise even not knowing at the time that they were trans is telling to me. And the failure and awkwardness of relationships I have had with trans-women is also itself informative.

Very interesting indeed! That's the sort of thing that sometimes leads to scientific discoveries, although I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to find any relevant ongoing research.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Straight men are not attracted to penises. I would know. I am one of those men. If a "woman" said to me, "I have a penis," I would not be attracted to them. I would say that straight men feel this same way. Otherwise, there is no such thing as straight and gay.

if all it takes for a straight men to be attracted to a man is for them to say, "I'm a woman instead of a man!" then you are blurring all lines. No straight man would instantly be attracted to Donald Trump if he said, "I'm now a woman."

May I suggest looking at the Kinsey scale? An awful lot of people aren't absolutely purely straight.

As someone who is totally straight I find penises in porn a turn-off--yet most porn contains penises. That strongly suggests to me that most guys aren't totally straight.

 

[Jarhyn]

Straight men are not attracted to penises. I would know. I am one of those men. If a "woman" said to me, "I have a penis," I would not be attracted to them. I would say that straight men feel this same way. Otherwise, there is no such thing as straight and gay.

if all it takes for a straight men to be attracted to a man is for them to say, "I'm a woman instead of a man!" then you are blurring all lines. No straight man would instantly be attracted to Donald Trump if he said, "I'm now a woman."

May I suggest looking at the Kinsey scale? An awful lot of people aren't absolutely purely straight.

As someone who is totally straight I find penises in porn a turn-off--yet most porn contains penises. That strongly suggests to me that most guys aren't totally straight.

To that end, I would suggest looking at trans-guy porn from the waist up. If you get no boner, congrats, straight. If you look at transgirl porn from the waist up and do get a boner, congrats, straight.

A good measure is whether you find them hot when the pants are on, you should probably just get past whatever you find under the pants. There's all sorts of.fun you can have no matter what the hidden surprise is. Personally, I am looking forward to the next time I get to top for anal; when doing too anal, it doesn't really matter what is in the front as long as they're into it. And as for bottoming, well, if they have a dick it alleviates the need for a strapon... A fleshy penis is just straight up better, and I don't care who you are, poking your prostate is a good time if you have one.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

You get a lot of your education from fictional stories, don't you?
You do know that tge purpose of ygat scene was to embarrass the cop, right? Not to establish gendrr issues?

Or maybe that's beyond you....

Right-wingers have been saying if that movie was made today, there's no way in hell the SJW's would allow that scene in there. They would say it's being insensitive to trans people.

This world is getting filled with whining babies.

Go live inbthe what-if world you keep invoking.
The rest of us will live in this one.

And i notice, as you say, you have yet to explain why the fuck you CARE?

 

[Keith&Co.]

What about the famous scene from Kindergarten Cop? The little kid stands up and says, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." There was no argument after that with the kid. Arnold did not tell the kid, "actually men can have vaginas and women can have penises."

Argument by Kindergarten Cop. Another brilliant Halfie swing and miss.

Since you like videos so much, you might want to watch this one.

[YOUTUBE]9bbINLWtMKI[/YOUTUBE]

She makes lots of good points, especially one which she borrows from conservative trans woman Blaire White, about how adopted parents are called parents, mothers and fathers, regardless of the biological origin of the children. At least watch it for the amusing self own by Ben Shapiro at 16:20.

Adopted parents are called parents because sometimes they do not want to let the kid know they are adopted. But, if the kid does find out, there's numerous instances where they say, "You can't tell me what to do! You're not my parents!"

Argument by tantrum, now
How low must you sink?

Theyre still the parents. Law says so.

 

[fast]

There is sometimes an insidious unintended consequence to coining certain multi-worded terms through word appropriation. It has a hellacious trickle down cancerous effect (a down right full blown fallout) on subsequent, varied and evolution-producing interpretations. Even the savviest of linguists would catch hell clarifying the substantive nature of what’s driving the disparity of usage.

I could give examples, (like oh say, “imaginary object,”), but even giving an example is fraught with dangers, as I akin it to putting a dozen philosophers in a room and expecting unwavering agreement. Instead, let me make up a scenario with no fact checked basis—just to show (or at least give a glimpse) of the insanity in the making.

Let’s travel back to pre-adoption days where the biological connection between parents and their offspring wasn’t in question. If a couple later adopts a child and becomes what we might neutrally call “legal guardians”, one might want to express the sentiment that the guardians are not actual parents to the adopted child but recognize that being guardians have sufficient similarities to parents that warrant using the term “adoptive parents”. This would be a case where the term is a misnomer from the very start.

In this instance, it’s abundently clear that the term is meant not to categorize parents into types (some being biological and some being adoptive). The term in this case does not function to increase the scope of “parent.” Remember, we’re outright denying that adoptive parents are parents with our original usage of the term. The term is meant to refer to legal guardians that have responsibilities (and take on a role) very similar to that of parents. Adoptive parents they are, but parents they absolutely are not.

If a term starts out as a misnomer (I’m not saying it really did—juxtapose, if ya will), guess what’s going to happen over time! Misuse will become so commonplace that a new meaning will evolve. Ambiguity is born! But, that’s just scratching at the surface. The interrelationship has now become distorted. How so? Guess what evolutionary path “parent” has now taken!

It’s no wonder why just damn near every philosophical discussion eventually devolves into a discssuon about language. In fact, one of the greatest explanations I’ve ever heard to describe philosophy is “talk about talk.” It’s not always about the discussion matter but the discussion itself that becomes discussed.