Jarhyn
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What else do you expect from a population of people who routinely attempt to drag in charged words like "disorder" "disease" "wrong" and "incorrect" when discussing biology?The existence of the condition isn't a cultural concept. Classifying it as a disorder is. Ignoring its existence in a description of the human condition overall is both a cultural concept and unscientific. You won't find a biology textbook saying that human females give birth to no more than one child a time with a separation of at least 2 years because twins and getting pregnant while nursing are "disorders" of the reproductive mechanism and not breastfeeding for at least a year is creating an artificial environment.Disorders of sexual development aren't cultural concepts,"Anomalies" are a cultural concept. The raw data doesn't discriminate among data points. A binary distribution is by definition one without outliers that are hard to fit into either category. Everything else is a (strongly) bimodal distribution.One of the most frustrating aspects of this discussion is the tendency to bring up vanishingly rare anomalies as though they are particularly relevant to the human situation.Genitals are not binary, they are bimodal. And genitals do not always correlate with gonads the way we expect. Individual with internal gonads and unfused labia but under the microscope, the gonads look like testes are rare, but they exist.
Tom
You really think that's a useful analogy, don't you?no more than conjoint twins are a cultural concept, or downs syndrome is a cultural concept.
Any individual cell either does or doesn't have an extra copy of chromosome 21. Barring chimeric individuals, this a person either has 46 or 47 chromosomes in their cells. This is not in general how atypical development of gonads and genitals works.
I have been trying to have the discussion that "disorders" and "diseases" are not the purview of biology per se but rather "conditions" and "structures" for some time now.
Really, she just doesn't want to be forced to abandon what has up till now been a rather convenient source of (dishonest) rhetoric.
The conditions (that may or may not be disorders for any given person) are only a "disorders" assuming they cause "distress" to a specific, real person. Some condition causing such distress to 99.999% of all the people who have it still does not make it a disorder, because it is the distress, not the condition, that makes it a disorder.
She is begging the question that we ought consider them as disorders absent the validation of distress.