George Floyd murderer's trial

[Gun Nut]

I hope he drops the soap.

I suspect he will gain a leadership role in the prison's white supremacist gang despite having been a cop.
That said, he will also be the most valuable target for every other gang... major cred for shanking that one.

 

[Elixir]

Told you guys the fix was in. The local jury did not want their city to burn down because #BLMers and Antifas got mad at the verdict.

Unsurprisingly, you are in good company.

Yeh. I hope The Racist Right doesn’t cause any property damage.

 

[Jarhyn]

I hope he drops the soap.

I suspect he will gain a leadership role in the prison's white supremacist gang despite having been a cop.
That said, he will also be the most valuable target for every other gang... major cred for shanking that one.

My husband and I had that conversation last night... That his cop status and his white supremacy will create a very volatile dynamic in prison. Maybe they should just put Chauvin in isolation/solitary for his whole sentence? I think I recall something about those on the right arguing that is not cruel or unusual?

My money is on suicide though.

 

[Elixir]

My money is on suicide though.

Actual suicide, or the Epstein variety?

 

[Jarhyn]

My money is on suicide though.

Actual suicide, or the Epstein variety?

...Yes?

 

[Toni]

I hope he drops the soap.

I suspect he will gain a leadership role in the prison's white supremacist gang despite having been a cop.
That said, he will also be the most valuable target for every other gang... major cred for shanking that one.

I suspect the same and that part of his cachet will be that he was a cop.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Will he be in general population, I wonder? Cosby is (that's gotta be a trip.)
DeSalvo, Dahmer, and Bulger were stabbed/bludgeoned to death in the joint, so it could happen.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Will he be in general population, I wonder? Cosby is (that's gotta be a trip.)
DeSalvo, Dahmer, and Bulger were stabbed/bludgeoned to death in the joint, so it could happen.

CNN reports in segregated population for protection. Man our prison system is awesome! People need to be protected in a place with bars everywhere. Also, I think the idea of cheering on rape (not referring to your post) isn't exactly kosher.

I remember Trump whining about Manafort being held in solitary confinement... as if Manafort wanted to be in the general population in prison.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I hope he drops the soap.

I suspect he will gain a leadership role in the prison's white supremacist gang despite having been a cop.
That said, he will also be the most valuable target for every other gang... major cred for shanking that one.

I suspect the same and that part of his cachet will be that he was a cop.

People keep forgetting cops aren't exactly loved by whites in prison either.

Though the idea of several lunch and learns being scheduled and PPT presentations prepared by differing groups in the prison and how Chauvin's presence affects their own group, is popping into my head.

 

[TomC]

Will he be in general population, I wonder? Cosby is (that's gotta be a trip.)
DeSalvo, Dahmer, and Bulger were stabbed/bludgeoned to death in the joint, so it could happen.

I sincerely doubt that he'll be in the general population.
Cops in general are at very high risk.
Much less one with this kind of price on his head(and ass).
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Will he be in general population, I wonder? Cosby is (that's gotta be a trip.)
DeSalvo, Dahmer, and Bulger were stabbed/bludgeoned to death in the joint, so it could happen.

I sincerely doubt that he'll be in the general population.

You're right, but whoever they put him with, he's a risk to them, too.

 

[ZiprHead]

The other three officers trial start August 23rd. Aiding and Abetting.

 

[Treedbear]

Yeah, it is all a conspiracy if the outcome isn't what I like. Floyd did nothing to deserve dying. He wasn't the shining citizen of Minnesota, but that isn't the standard of not being restrained to death. The force used against him was reckless. Officers testified to that.

Tucker Carlson is literally the only person towing that line. Whatever he does not like is a result of a conspiracy. As I understand it, his viewership is dwindling. It's getting old and tired.

I watched FoxNews for about 5 minutes last night and it seemed that Tucker didn't quite know what to say. He's trying to appear hard line by frowning all the time but then he bursts out with a weirdly maniacal cackle after interviewing a NY prosecutor calling for police reform. Strange dude. I get the impression he's afraid to say anything that will conflict with Trump, and afaik Trump has been silent.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, it is all a conspiracy if the outcome isn't what I like. Floyd did nothing to deserve dying. He wasn't the shining citizen of Minnesota, but that isn't the standard of not being restrained to death. The force used against him was reckless. Officers testified to that.

Tucker Carlson is literally the only person towing that line. Whatever he does not like is a result of a conspiracy. As I understand it, his viewership is dwindling. It's getting old and tired.

I watched FoxNews for about 5 minutes last night and it seemed that Tucker didn't quite know what to say. He's trying to appear hard line by frowning all the time but then he bursts out with a weirdly maniacal cackle after interviewing a NY prosecutor calling for police reform. Strange dude. I get the impression he's afraid to say anything that will conflict with Trump, and afaik Trump has been silent.

Carlson's cackle was a humor subject on the Stephanie Miller show this morning. They compared it to Mark Hammill's Joker.

 

[ZiprHead]

The initial police report from the Minneapolis Police Department:

Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction

May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence.

Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.

At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department.

No officers were injured in the incident.

Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.

The GO number associated with this case is 20-140629.

It's virtually all bullshit. If that seventeen year old girl had not taken that video, this would all have been swept under the rug.

https://archive.li/pwxX3#selection-415.0-443.53

 

[ideologyhunter]

I watched FoxNews for about 5 minutes last night and it seemed that Tucker didn't quite knoew what to say. He's trying to appear hard line by frowning all the time but then he bursts out with a weirdly maniacal cackle after interviewing a NY prosecutor calling for police reform. Strange dude. I get the impression he's afraid to say anything that will conflict with Trump, and afaik Trump has been silent.

He was, at one time, capable of rational and well-spoken argumentation. I enjoyed watching him on Crossfire about 20 years back, even though I agreed with maybe 2% of his analysis. Now he's pure toxic waste, pandering to the grumpy/enraged Fox News audience, putting forth outrageous rumors and conspiracy theories, and his scowling face makes him a caricature of Right Wing demogogues.

 

[ZiprHead]

Attorney General Merrick Garland Announces DOJ Probe Into Minneapolis PD

Attorney General Merrick Garland announced on Wednesday that the Department of Justice (DOJ) will conduct a probe into the practices and culture of the Minneapolis Police Department. Garland’s announcement came the day after a jury found former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin guilty of all three charges he faced for the murder of George Floyd.

“Yesterday’s verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Garland said while speaking at the DOJ. “The Justice Department has opened a civil investigation to determine whether the Minneapolis Police Department engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing.”

The probe will seek to examine systemic problems within the department. Previous administrations have used similar probes into abusive agencies and potentially sue them for breaking the law. Donald Trump’s administration, however, tried barring the DOJ from investigations, saying that it lowers police morale.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Under MN sentencing guidelines, Chauvin could be considered for the lower end of the sentencing guidelines (150-180 months) because he (almost certainly) has no felonies on his record. As Loren explained above, he would be sentenced for the most serious offense since all 3 convictions were for the same act rather than 3 separate homicides.

The prosecution could argue that he deserves a harsher sentence because he was acting as a police officer with a duty to protect and serve, which he violated. In other words, Chauvin was a professional and should be held to a higher standard.

I wouldn't hold him to a higher standard because he was a professional.

However, I would hold him to a considerably higher standard because he was acting under color of authority. I'd like to see that be something like a doubling of the sentence or more.

 

[Metaphor]

What crime was committed in response to her comment? Or are you suggesting it was "attempted incitement".. which is not actually a "thing".

Sure it is. It depends on the jurisdiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement

Incitement consists of two elements: you have to intend to incite, and you have to have committed the act (of inciting).

There must be actual communication so that the other person has the opportunity to agree, but the actus reus is complete whether or not the incitement actually persuades another to commit an offence.

Look, if someone with lots of social influence says "fight like hell" to a group of angry, armed people, and then that very group of angry armed people proceed to murder 5 cops while "fighting like hell" to overthrow the capital building, and that someone is not convicted of incitement, then you are going to have an extremely hard time convincing anyone that what you are referring to is anything in the same universe as "incitement".

"Fight like hell" is figurative. People fight like hell battling cancer. Prosecutors fight like hell to get a criminal convicted. It means 'don't let your resolve waver'.

Trump later said:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Marching to protest something is an extremely common political tactic. Asking people to do it 'peacefully' is a good sign you want them to do it peacefully.