George Floyd murderer's trial

[atrib]

Too bad Chauvin is alive which dispels this lynch mob riff you have going.

There is no doubt regarding whether he was there and committed an act that led to a death.

The question is how much does the victim get blamed for his own death.

How much does the dead person get blamed for their own death is kinda the question here. Does a person have any responsibility for the results of poor, disastrously poor, choices over years? Floyd did that.

Floyd wasn't killed because of poor choices he had made in his life. He was killed because a rogue policeman decided it was appropriate to illegally assault him in a manner that made it impossible for Floyd to breathe. This was clearly established during the trial. Did you watch any of the trial testimony?

Or does a few minutes of viral video matter?

The video in question demonstrated that the initial police statement was a lie, and that Floyd had died as a result of an illegal assault by the police. So yes, it matters a great deal, if you are interested in facts and justice. There was a great deal of other evidence presented by the prosecution during the trial. Again, did you watch this testimony, or are you here just to ride your hobby horse?

I don't even care much anymore. Minneapolis will decide and live with the outcomes.

The people have decided. And for someone who doesn't care very much, you seem to post an awful lot in this thread.

 

[atrib]

I guess you have a low opinion of the jury selection process and other people in general.

The jury system is a very flawed system to obtain justice, which is why most developed countries either abandoned it outright or modified it heavily from its traditional form.

But the system worked in this case. And justice was served. So there is that.

 

[atrib]

I suspect he only gets his information from the headlines on right wing sputterings. He is likely unaware that the entire trial was broadcast live, providing MORE coverage and insight than the Jury even got (we saw the bench arguments on procedure and such that the jury did not get to see).

I think it is much more likely that it is an act, designed primarily to provoke a response.

 

[Patooka]

EDIT: My second prediction will be rhetorical hyperbole in the lines of, "Now that Chauvin has been found guilty, the elitist left are going to be emboldened on their war against justice and law enforcement. They are going to go after police even harder and won't stop until no cops exist in America. And you know this to be true because all leftists are millionaires living in California in their gated communities and private security. Having no police won't affect their lives but it will affect yours. In order to secure our existence and the future of our children we must fight against this far left antifa agenda that Biden and The Squad are pushing."

It seems I was close:

They will not quit until they achieve what they describe as justice which is the death and destruction of the United States (its rebuilding in their image), the death and destruction of the culture and people that created it all while giving the world over to Communism. The chaos is just getting warmed up.

So not Biden and The Squad coming after you, but communists instead. I bet $14.88 there will be more to come. I wish I was a cynical prick but I don't think it is cynicism if one is accurate.

 

[Toni]

EDIT: My second prediction will be rhetorical hyperbole in the lines of, "Now that Chauvin has been found guilty, the elitist left are going to be emboldened on their war against justice and law enforcement. They are going to go after police even harder and won't stop until no cops exist in America. And you know this to be true because all leftists are millionaires living in California in their gated communities and private security. Having no police won't affect their lives but it will affect yours. In order to secure our existence and the future of our children we must fight against this far left antifa agenda that Biden and The Squad are pushing."

It seems I was close:

They will not quit until they achieve what they describe as justice which is the death and destruction of the United States (its rebuilding in their image), the death and destruction of the culture and people that created it all while giving the world over to Communism. The chaos is just getting warmed up.

So not Biden and The Squad coming after you, but communists instead. I bet $14.88 there will be more to come. I wish I was a cynical prick but I don't think it is cynicism if one is accurate.

Wolfenstein, is that you? And here I thought it was just a stupid video game.

 

[Treedbear]

The initial police report from the Minneapolis Police Department:

Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction

May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence.

Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.

At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department.

No officers were injured in the incident.

Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.

The GO number associated with this case is 20-140629.

It's virtually all bullshit. If that seventeen year old girl had not taken that video, this would all have been swept under the rug.

https://archive.li/pwxX3#selection-415.0-443.53

I wonder what the protocol is for signing off on the report. If it required several other officers who were at the scene that would amount to a conspiracy. That might be why the DOJ is more than a little involved.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If it's not a dogwhistle, it is certainly compatible with other proto-Nazi rhetoric we are hearing, lke white replacement theory. "BLM and Antifa working together...White people, err, I mean Western chauvinists must stop them!!!11!" Does anyone remember during the Presidential election, conservatives were saying all the BLM protests would instantly stop as soon as Biden became President. "Systemic racism isn't real. It's an act to get Biden elected because he has no brain and the real ruler will be secret socialist Kamala Harris." Down the conservative memory hole, I guess.

 

[Rhea]

The initial police report from the Minneapolis Police Department:

Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction

[...] After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.

I wonder what the protocol is for signing off on the report. If it required several other officers who were at the scene that would amount to a conspiracy. That might be why the DOJ is more than a little involved.

I had not thought about that. But yeah, if they signed off on this clearly misleading report - it should indeed be investigated for consipracy.

 

[Derec]

But the system worked in this case. And justice was served. So there is that.

So because you agree with the outcome the process doesn't matter?
Even people you believe to be guilty deserve a fair trial.

 

[ZiprHead]

But the system worked in this case. And justice was served. So there is that.

So because you agree with the outcome the process doesn't matter?
Even people you believe to be guilty deserve a fair trial.

What wasn't fair?

 

[Derec]

If it's not a dogwhistle, it is certainly compatible with other proto-Nazi rhetoric we are hearing, lke white replacement theory.

The far Left is hostile to the very idea of whiteness. See this article in the far left rag Grauniad.

And the Far Left definitely wants to replace white people. That's why there is this huge push for 3rd word mass migration into both Europe and US.
Also, there is even the United Nations are talking about "replacement migration".

Replacement Migration: Is It a Solution to Declining and Ageing Populations?

It's not a made up thing.

 

[Derec]

What wasn't fair?

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

 

[Derec]

My husband and I had that conversation last night... That his cop status and his white supremacy

What evidence do you have that Chauvin is a "white supremacist"?

will create a very volatile dynamic in prison. Maybe they should just put Chauvin in isolation/solitary for his whole sentence? I think I recall something about those on the right arguing that is not cruel or unusual?

My money is on suicide though.

Funny how you progressives attack US mass incarceration and conditions in prison when it comes to premeditated cop killers and left wing or Islamic terrorists, but wish all the ills to a man who killed (perhaps) somebody accidentally. Then you rejoice eat at all the suffering you fantasize that he will suffer in prison. Sick!

 

[Angry Floof]

What wasn't fair?

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

 

[Derec]

Yeh. I hope The Racist Right doesn’t cause any property damage.

The racist left did plenty of property damage, but also murders during the #BLM riots last year. And also during the #BLM riots in 2014-2019 as well as the LA riots in 1992.

 

[Derec]

[some gif]

How quickly we forget what #BLM did last year.

 

[Derec]

I hope he drops the soap.

Nothing like showing your progressive bona fines by hoping that a fellow human will get raped.

And I hope “the fix” remains in, every time another cop murders another person.

So you are saying cops do not deserve fair trials? Show trials are fine as long as you Elixir think it was "murder".

By the way, what do you think about the shootings of Michael Brown or Adam Toledo?

 

[Angry Floof]

Funny how you progressives attack US mass incarceration and conditions in prison when it comes to premeditated cop killers and left wing or Islamic terrorists, but wish all the ills to a man who killed (perhaps) somebody accidentally. Then you rejoice eat at all the suffering you fantasize that he will suffer in prison. Sick!

Funny how that whole paragraph has no basis in reality. As I said before, it's possible to object to mass incarceration and inhumane prison conditions and also rejoice, yes, rejoice, when a corrupt cop is found guilty of murder after he murders someone. There's no conflict there. You're just making up some cartoon version that might appear to be a conflict to dumb people.

And why the hell would you support mass incarceration and poor prison conditions?? Why is it a bad thing in your mind to object to mass incarceration and poor prison conditions?

Is it perhaps because: ?

 

[Derec]

I suspect he only gets his information from the headlines on right wing sputterings.

Your suspicions would be wrong.

He is likely unaware that the entire trial was broadcast live, providing MORE coverage and insight than the Jury even got (we saw the bench arguments on procedure and such that the jury did not get to see). Any interested party with sufficient time on their hands, such as myself, was able to put themselves in the Jury seat with every bit of information they had and more.

I am aware it was broadcast live. I am also aware of the political climate in Minnepolis and that drawing a jury from there means that it was not a fair trial, no matter what you think about the outcome.

 

[Derec]

Funny how that whole paragraph has no basis in reality.

Your objection and repetitive stupid gifs have no basis in reality.

As I said before, it's possible to object to mass incarceration and inhumane prison conditions and also rejoice, yes, rejoice, when a corrupt cop is found guilty of murder after he murders someone.

The objections to mass incarcerations are very selective. People who deliberately ambush and murder cops for left wing politics (like the Black Panther and Weather Underground terrorists) should be released early, but cops who accidentally kill somebody should rot in prison and be raped. Such hypocrisy!

There's no conflict there. You're just making up some cartoon version that might appear to be a conflict to dumb people.

There is definite hypocrisy in saying that somebody like Judith Clark or Anthony Bottom should be released from prison early while at the same time fantasizing about all the suffering Chauvin will endure in prison, even gawking at his cell layout etc.

And why the hell would you support mass incarceration and poor prison conditions?? Why is that a bad thing in your mind?

I think there is definitely a problem with mass incarceration and prison conditions in general. I was writing about hypocrisy of people wishing a poor prison conditions on Chauvin while decrying the same for the murderers that share their political ideology.