George Floyd murderer's trial

[Angry Floof]

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How quickly we forget what #BLM did last year.
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OMG you cannot be serious. Just how much of reality are you willing to carve away to find the few and far between incidents that, if your irrational distortions were not distortions, would accurately reflect the reality of right wing extremism? What sick, terrified eyes you view the world with.

 

[Derec]

No fix.

Murder. Kneeling for three minutes on his neck after the man was unconscious.

I agree Chauvin engaged in excessive force. I disagree it was murder because of the overdose and his heart problems.

A jury got one right.

Even if you think the outcome was right, the process still matters.

 

[ZiprHead]

What wasn't fair?

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

Calling James Randi. Calling James Randi.

 

[Derec]

OMG you cannot be serious. Just how much of reality are you willing to carve away to find the few and far between incidents that,

It was not "few and far between incidents". It was months of rioting that resulted in billions in damages and several lost lives.

Compare that to the attention a single day of right wing rioting is getting to the memory hole of left wing George Floyd riots by #BLM and Antifa.

if your irrational distortions were not distortions, would accurately reflect the reality of right wing extremism? What sick, terrified eyes you view the world with.

All extremism is bad. Focusing solely on right wing extremism while supporting left wing extremism like you are doing is what's sick!

 

[ZiprHead]

Chauvin’s Defense Team Blames Guilty Verdict on Jury’s Ability To See.

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[Angry Floof]

Your objection and repetitive stupid gifs have no basis in reality.

Your posts reflect a deep fear of the world around you, and you've focused all of it to a pinpoint that rests almost entirely on black people. You might as well eat a whole wheel of cheese at this point. It's amazing.

The objections to mass incarcerations are very selective. People who deliberately ambush and murder cops for left wing politics (like the Black Panther and Weather Underground terrorists) should be released early, but cops who accidentally kill somebody should rot in prison and be raped. Such hypocrisy!

Do you realize you sound more and more like Donald Trump every day? Just toss out some wild claim you pulled out of your ass and then end with Sad! Sick! Such hypocrisy! You're convincing no one but yourself.

There's no conflict there. You're just making up some cartoon version that might appear to be a conflict to dumb people.

There is definite hypocrisy in saying that somebody like Judith Clark or Anthony Bottom should be released from prison early while at the same time fantasizing about all the suffering Chauvin will endure in prison, even gawking at his cell layout etc.

Pop quiz. How many years did Clark and Bottom spend in prison? What in the actual fuck is wrong with you?

And why the hell would you support mass incarceration and poor prison conditions?? Why is that a bad thing in your mind?

I think there is definitely a problem with mass incarceration and prison conditions in general. I was writing about hypocrisy of people wishing a poor prison conditions on Chauvin while decrying the same for the murderers that share their political ideology.

Oh, boo fucking hoo. sOmE ppL sAy mEaN FiNgz. Doesn't mean they're the ones who actually oppose fair trials or democracy. Die mad about their "hypocrisy."

 

[laughing dog]

Chauvin’s Defense Team Blames Guilty Verdict on Jury’s Ability To See.

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Well said. A jury of Mr. Chauvin's peers heard days of testimony and watched video to come to a unanimous verdict. There is no evidence that the jury was swayed by any thoughts or fears about repercussions of a verdict of innocence. Yet we have the usual suspects regurgitate the same chickenshit claim that this trial held in the legal county would be unfair.

 

[Angry Floof]

Chauvin’s Defense Team Blames Guilty Verdict on Jury’s Ability To See.

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"How can we guarantee a fair trial when all the jurors have eyes?!"

 

[laughing dog]

Chauvin’s Defense Team Blames Guilty Verdict on Jury’s Ability To See.

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"How can we guarantee a fair trial when all the jurors have eyes?!"

Eyes that are open and not up the metaphorical ass of the police.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

That the jury was swayed by any extraneous factors is 100% speculative on your part.
Not speculative: a knee on a neck, the neck of a handcuffed man lying on the street, a man who was nonresponsive long before that knee was removed.

 

[Jarhyn]

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

That the jury was swayed by any extraneous factors is 100% speculative on your part.
Not speculative: a knee on a neck, the neck of a handcuffed man lying on the street, a man who was nonresponsive long before that knee was removed.

I get that you're trying to appear reasonable, by at least making a token effort to reason with someone. But you are trying to reason with someone who, in the presence of a 9 minute snuff film, still adamantly insists that no murder happened.

 

[Deborah]

What wasn't fair?

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

In South Africa we don't have jury trials.

I get that jury trails can have certain benefits but in this instance I think it would have been better if a judge had made the determination - Judges have to write judgments - In the judgment the judge would have to justify why he thought that each element of each charge was present. This can to some degree provide a check against any tendency to decide a case on the basis of extra-legal considerations and can provide clarity to people who are sceptical of the result.

 

[Toni]

What wasn't fair?

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

In South Africa we don't have jury trials.

I get that jury trails can have certain benefits but in this instance I think it would have been better if a judge had made the determination - Judges have to write judgments - In the judgment the judge would have to justify why he thought that each element of each charge was present. This can to some degree provide a check against any tendency to decide a case on the basis of extra-legal considerations and can provide clarity to people who are sceptical of the result.

Chauvin could have asked for a trial by judge only. He did not.

 

[Toni]

No fix.

Murder. Kneeling for three minutes on his neck after the man was unconscious.

I agree Chauvin engaged in excessive force. I disagree it was murder because of the overdose and his heart problems.

A jury got one right.

Even if you think the outcome was right, the process still matters.

The process does indeed matter. The judge oversaw a meticulous trial. The trial was televised and the public could see what evidence was presented. It was a fair process.

Chauvin's actions caused Floyd's death. Would it have caused death no matter who was beneath his knee for over 9 minutes? I don't know but I do know that such a 'technique' had been determined to be too dangerous before Chauvin killed Floyd. Chauvin was a police officer, a law enforcement professional and he had the burden of acting with the greatest level of professional conduct possible. Even if Floyd had been ill with terminal cancer, hours away from death, Chauvin's actions would have still been the cause of his death, and so murder.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What wasn't fair?

Holding the trial in the city held hostage by the threats of a repeat of Summer 2020 should Chauvin get acquitted.

In South Africa we don't have jury trials.

I get that jury trails can have certain benefits but in this instance I think it would have been better if a judge had made the determination - Judges have to write judgments - In the judgment the judge would have to justify why he thought that each element of each charge was present. This can to some degree provide a check against any tendency to decide a case on the basis of extra-legal considerations and can provide clarity to people who are sceptical of the result.

Chauvin's best chance was with a jury. His actions were egregiously violent and dangerous and directly led to the death of a person he was subduing. There wasn't much question to his guilt with the video. The only question was whom on the jury would overlook his actions. This time, the answer was no one. It should also be noted that a jury is assembled by the lawyers of both sides, not just a random selection of people. The lawyers get to groom who they want.

 

[Deborah]

In South Africa we don't have jury trials.

I get that jury trails can have certain benefits but in this instance I think it would have been better if a judge had made the determination - Judges have to write judgments - In the judgment the judge would have to justify why he thought that each element of each charge was present. This can to some degree provide a check against any tendency to decide a case on the basis of extra-legal considerations and can provide clarity to people who are sceptical of the result.

Chauvin could have asked for a trial by judge only. He did not.

I think he made a bad call.

I have difficulty getting my mind around it is beyond reasonable doubt that he had the relevant intent in relation to all the charges given that he knew he was being videotaped. The prosecution theorised that his actions were motivated by his ego. I listened to Dr Tobin's evidence and it seems to me to provide an explanation as why having a knee against the side of the neck (which occurred when Floyd turned his neck) could in this instance have been lethal surprisingly quickly (inter alia because of the continued pressure that over time had been placed against Floyd's diaphragm by the other officer). No other police officer on the scene seemed particularly disturbed by Chauvin's leg placement. Chauvin did not have his knee against the side of the neck all the time. My recollection from his trainer's evidence is that it was not uncommon to have the leg across the shoulder and against the back of the neck and Dr Tobin indicated that having the knee against the back of the neck would not have blocked Floyd's airway. Also, Floyd had previously indicated that he couldn't breathe when he was in the car and this may have contributed to scepticism in relation to his later complaint that he could not breathe. Also, from the dialogue of the officers it seems that they believed that if he could talk he did not have any serious breathing issue. Also, Chauvin was under the impression that Floyd was on drugs and may have thought he had nodded off because of the drugs.

 

[Toni]

In South Africa we don't have jury trials.

I get that jury trails can have certain benefits but in this instance I think it would have been better if a judge had made the determination - Judges have to write judgments - In the judgment the judge would have to justify why he thought that each element of each charge was present. This can to some degree provide a check against any tendency to decide a case on the basis of extra-legal considerations and can provide clarity to people who are sceptical of the result.

Chauvin could have asked for a trial by judge only. He did not.

I think he made a bad call.

I have difficulty getting my mind around it is beyond reasonable doubt that he had the relevant intent in relation to all the charges given that he knew he was being videotaped. The prosecution theorised that his actions were motivated by his ego. I listened to Dr Tobin's evidence and it seems to me to provide an explanation as why having a knee against the side of the neck (which occurred when Floyd turned his neck) could in this instance have been lethal surprisingly quickly (inter alia because of the continued pressure that over time had been placed against Floyd's diaphragm by the other officer). No other police officer on the scene seemed particularly disturbed by Chauvin's leg placement. Chauvin did not have his knee against the side of the neck all the time. My recollection from his trainer's evidence is that it was not uncommon to have the leg across the shoulder and against the back of the neck and Dr Tobin indicated that having the knee against the back of the neck would not have blocked Floyd's airway. Also, Floyd had previously indicated that he couldn't breathe when he was in the car and this may have contributed to scepticism in relation to his later complaint that he could not breathe. Also, from the dialogue of the officers it seems that they believed that if he could talk he did not have any serious breathing issue. Also, Chauvin was under the impression that Floyd was on drugs and may have thought he had nodded off because of the drugs.

The judge would have convicted him, I believe, as would any reasonable person who saw the video and heard the testimony of ALL of the experts,not just the ones who agreed with their preconceived notions.

He was convicted of UNintentional homicide in the second and third degrees, as well as manslaughter, none of which require that he intended to kill George Floyd. I don’t think he did intend to kill him. I just don’t think he cared very much about Mr. Floyd’s well-being or safety which he had a professional and legal responsibility to do.

 

[Deborah]

I think he made a bad call.

I have difficulty getting my mind around it is beyond reasonable doubt that he had the relevant intent in relation to all the charges given that he knew he was being videotaped. The prosecution theorised that his actions were motivated by his ego. I listened to Dr Tobin's evidence and it seems to me to provide an explanation as why having a knee against the side of the neck (which occurred when Floyd turned his neck) could in this instance have been lethal surprisingly quickly (inter alia because of the continued pressure that over time had been placed against Floyd's diaphragm by the other officer). No other police officer on the scene seemed particularly disturbed by Chauvin's leg placement. Chauvin did not have his knee against the side of the neck all the time. My recollection from his trainer's evidence is that it was not uncommon to have the leg across the shoulder and against the back of the neck and Dr Tobin indicated that having the knee against the back of the neck would not have blocked Floyd's airway. Also, Floyd had previously indicated that he couldn't breathe when he was in the car and this may have contributed to scepticism in relation to his later complaint that he could not breathe. Also, from the dialogue of the officers it seems that they believed that if he could talk he did not have any serious breathing issue. Also, Chauvin was under the impression that Floyd was on drugs and may have thought he had nodded off because of the drugs.

The judge would have convicted him, I believe, as would any reasonable person who saw the video and heard the testimony of ALL of the experts,not just the ones who agreed with their preconceived notions.

I have referred to Dr Tobin and Chauvin's trainer, who were the prosecution's witnesses. Was there other evidence which addresses the issues I raised?

 

[Toni]

I think he made a bad call.

I have difficulty getting my mind around it is beyond reasonable doubt that he had the relevant intent in relation to all the charges given that he knew he was being videotaped. The prosecution theorised that his actions were motivated by his ego. I listened to Dr Tobin's evidence and it seems to me to provide an explanation as why having a knee against the side of the neck (which occurred when Floyd turned his neck) could in this instance have been lethal surprisingly quickly (inter alia because of the continued pressure that over time had been placed against Floyd's diaphragm by the other officer). No other police officer on the scene seemed particularly disturbed by Chauvin's leg placement. Chauvin did not have his knee against the side of the neck all the time. My recollection from his trainer's evidence is that it was not uncommon to have the leg across the shoulder and against the back of the neck and Dr Tobin indicated that having the knee against the back of the neck would not have blocked Floyd's airway. Also, Floyd had previously indicated that he couldn't breathe when he was in the car and this may have contributed to scepticism in relation to his later complaint that he could not breathe. Also, from the dialogue of the officers it seems that they believed that if he could talk he did not have any serious breathing issue. Also, Chauvin was under the impression that Floyd was on drugs and may have thought he had nodded off because of the drugs.

The judge would have convicted him, I believe, as would any reasonable person who saw the video and heard the testimony of ALL of the experts,not just the ones who agreed with their preconceived notions.

I have referred to Dr Tobin and Chauvin's trainer, who were the prosecution's witnesses. Was there other evidence which addresses the issues I raised?

Yes. I’m relatively certain that there is extensive video of the trial proceedings available if you care to look.

 

[Deborah]

I have referred to Dr Tobin and Chauvin's trainer, who were the prosecution's witnesses. Was there other evidence which addresses the issues I raised?

Yes. I’m relatively certain that there is extensive video of the trial proceedings available if you care to look.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to watch all of the evidence although I have seen quite a bit of it. But if you or anyone else has seen evidence which addresses the issues I raised, I would be interested to know what it is.